Was I Asleep when Events became all Club Contests & Bingo?

Yeah, I'm actually working up to a post about this. As a (not PhD'ed) econ student, it seems to me that the "club explosion" was a phase caused by a momentary economic advantage. But talking to club owners, it seems that competition is winnowing them out. An equilibrium is being reached.

In the long run, ppl like clubs for the same reason ppl still go on IRC - clubs are 3d chatrooms.
But ppl will over time become smarter customers about where they go.

I bet if the cannabis cathedral still existed, it would be awesomely popular.

As for specialty sex areas, I think it will be exploited once they figure out how to let noobs know they exist. For now, doing the "sexy av contest" is the easiest way to get people to check out your place. Whether they come back a second time is a different question.

It's a function of how many people join per day, how much lag ppl are willing to tolerate, and how much awareness ppl have of their options. And some other stuff.

I will elaborate, but I think you see the gist of it LF.

In short the club "problem" is something that will solve itself, as long as it is not kept alive artificially. (big "if" qualification)

As for the XXX factor... ppl who go on the internet tend to be sexually frustrated. The corellation is too strong to ignore. I mean, not all of them, don't spam this with "I GET LAID" responses, just that the predominant trend is that ppl on the internet a lot don't get laid a lot.

And to some extent it is justifiable... Our current standards of sexual desirability in RL are as corrupt as the rest of the managerial-state TV-culture.

So I guess I won't be hosting 'Strip Bingo' or 'Bowling for Sex' this weekend

Siggy.

It is a result of the Dwell system. Everyone sees dollar signs when they think of dwell.

It's a self-feeding loop... what's popular? Clubs. Therefore they must make money! Therefore, I will open my own.

And so on and so forth.

And how do you attract most people? Free money and sex. It's a thousands-year-old ploy, but it works every time. Any place will be popular if you sprinkle enough risque, high-rolling activity on it. Especially if you can get your patrons to feel that they're "in" on it (VIP clubs, free t-shirts, members-only areas, etc.).

Of course, if we had access to most club-owners business sheets, I would imagine most are running in a loss, even the bigger clubs. Couple that with the headaches that go on in administration duties (employees, salaries, drama, relationships, blah blah blah), and I wonder why anyone even bothers opening up clubs anymore.

but no one listens... they see "club" and hear "easy money".

Hopefully the next generation of attractions can pull folks away from this feedback loop.

I'm working on it; so should you.

LF

Thrilled to see a fellow "feedback loop" thoughtliner.

Yup, the loop has gotta be broken somewhere. I suspect that ultimately, these types of things are short-term interests and that most people would not be tided over by them in the long haul. A burnout period may be next, likely to be followed by a space of refreshment and then whatever comes, comes. From one adventure to the next.

Maybe it's time for....

building 102 - naked building while you lick a big moneyball. Ball lickers!

Scripting 102 - learn how to make your own bingo game while you ball lick

Escorting 101 - how to pixel mash, while you ball lick.

strip trivia.... What is the capitol of Syria?... WRONG! lose the shirt you!

griefing 101 - basics covered like event strafing, slurs and leet speak

SL advanced basics - (see escorting 101)

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If these are growing pains then this must be the puberty of SL

p.s. A money ball is like hanging a steak around your neck so dogs will play with you.

Yeah... SPONSORED BY FRANCIS CHUNG... FINE MAKER OF GREEFER KIN TOOLS

Hahahaha...


(I'm kidding, I'm kidding!)



Okay, someone care to make a sculpture of this? We could call it art.

Perhaps if the search feature for events were a bit more robust than keyword with a toggle for mature, people could seek out events rather than sifting through spam?

I agree there should be more variaty in the events,
So why isnt there.? True there are limatations if your requesting money from ll.
But i think most of you are pointing your fingers the wrong direction,
theres lot of posts on here already saying basicly " Yea all the events suck I want more "
So why dont YOU make more? People are going to do what people want to do.
So If you want more events you should make the events that you want.
But i think, many of you just want to complain about whats available to you rather than going to the trouble of doing it yourself.

Also what happend to trivia, bla, bla, primtionary, bla, bla, 101, bla bla.
Well the last primtionary i went to. a whole whoppen 3 people showd up.
The last trivia there were 6. but only to people actually playing.
and these events last for about an hour IF that, basicly most "not all" of these people set up there events just to get the ll support and once they have filled the minimum requirements, there jobs done. -- not like having fun or anything is important at all

But set up a sex shop, or a (stand here, click play on an animaion and go afk-fking bored) event, and yes even bingo, and you get almost instant results.

ive run a few bingo events being the creator of one of the systems.. And ive never posted my events more than 2 hours in advance, but im pretty much gurnteed a great turnout every time, AND i dont even do the ll support thing.
although if im running an event it is basicly to get a buncha people to come help me test a new feature or something.

So people cry about there not being more choices on the events tab. yet when there are, you just dont go to them. Why should I or anyone else make an event that nobody will even give a few moments of there time to?
I say again.. why dont you make the events you want, and have fun getting people to come, ive been down that dead end road to many times.

Also please dont be bashing bingo to much, would it be better if there wasnt any and the events tab just was full of "sexy av contest, sexy pantiy contest, bsdm, sexy dance contest, see who can stand around the longest b4 there computer crashes cause its running at NEG15 fps contest." yea there is a bit much of the bingo, but im working on that thats why im VERY selective about who I sell the system to.




well because"I" and im sure many other people have been down this road to.
Same result, eather nobody shows up, or people simply dont want to use there brains.
U know one of the bigist reasons i made bingo instead of my origonal idea...
Because people didnt WANT to think, they just want to click or shoot. thats it, if it involves uing there minds, OMFG thats just out of the question.
another idea i had tried was a dating game,,, NO not a dating service, but like the gameshow, 3 contestants and one um, other contestant,
I had a stage setup with camera targets set in the seats so when you were watching it would look like you were looking at a tv.
and was making a voting system that was real easy to usem so the audence could all place votes on different things in the show.
But to my supprise, all anyone would say to me was (Aww not another dating service.)
Regardless of how much explaining i did nobody could, "or would try to" understand me.
So there went that idea, was going to make a theme park, i know i know its been done. BUT not by me, just take a look at the roller coaster BLUE PLANET, Yora (72, 174) for a small example of the qualaty of the rides that i would have made. "aside from teh actual build that got messed up on a prim return." the actual ride experance itself is like a roller coaster, not some slideshow of llSetPos().



SO basicly what im saying is quit complaining when it was all of you that actually caused the problem your whining about.. By not taking intrest in the ideas of others, and By not coming up with ideas of your own.

You're jumping to some conclusions here IMO. Several of the people who have posted have hosted events other than the endless club contests. Most of us do not have the time to do more than an event a month, since we are NOT turning out cookie-cutter events. And we are often heavily involved in other creative SL endeavors.

For example, Ferran and I threw the White Trash Xmas Trailer Park party last week. OMG was it only last week... I am still cleaning up after that. David, please come pick up your sheep -- it misses you.

It was heavily attended and I think people had a blast. We had random contests just to give us an excuse to give money away and get people in compromising pictures. This event took a lot of work. Stop by the Trailer Park in Riiki and eyeball the build, animations, scripts, etc. Many of the guests went to an insane amount of work too. The White Trash gift exchange is still under the tree... be afraid. An event requiring this amount of planning and building is nothing we could do weekly.

The problem is not that there are not people willing to do those kinds of events... it's that we are outnumbered. SL has morphed more into a passive consuming kind of society I think -- which also reflects the larger RL culture. As SL gets larger, the ratio of creators to consumers seems to have shifted (which is lovely for my $L balance, but sucks otherwise). An online TV culture, if you know what I mean.

I know that the better search tools that ppl have talked about on this thread would certainly help me look for events I want to attend.

Surreal

lol, would you believe I don't have a list. I suppose I should though, it does seem that the only way to get people to events is to IM and teleport all your friends. However, that said... I'll make some notes to warn you if I have something upcoming so you can check. I do post here in the forums though.

There *might* be something for the New Year tomorrow, but as yet I have no idea what, nor even if, it might be...

I do want to get the building contests going again though.

A building class wouldn't go amiss.

LOL, Morning hun...
I have you scheduled for a class er... looks at calander... soon... I'm waiting to get the other student confirmed...

Completely off-topic, but there appears to be a Mocha-shaped hole in the grid today

Hrm, it's an evil Linden plot to stop me selling anything!

I've just had a message in the corner of my screen to say it's going to be off from 6am-10am: that's from now till ... when I go to work!

There still are some good events, just less of them it seems. Misty Rhodes is a trooper and still holds her show-and-tells every week. And Lisse, I assume you got blocked by the problems last night, but you would've had a pretty good turnout

Maybe I'll hold a Building 101 or something.

What I'm really tired of is the blatant advertising. It seems all the lame events (BRING YR SEXXXIEST <risque clothing item> AND SHAKE YOUR STUFF!!!!! OH, AND SOME SORT OF CONTEST...UM...BEST MALE AND FEMALE!!!!! W00t LINDN SUPPORT!!!!!) also feature plent of "..check out our dancers," "...tip our dancers," "...vendors for rent," etc. I've seen some event posts with literally one line of event description and paragraphs of ads.

Maybe they should alter the posting guidelines to include relevant text only. If they're going to be strict, at least cut out the irrelevant "oh, and while you're here..." crap.

I am simply blown away after reading this thread in it's entirety.

HELLO,

I need to go to an event titled Forums 101 (hehehehe) cause I still can not figure out how to paste small sections of other peoples posts without getting the whole thing.

I read these posts and I sigh and think "Great! Once again I am doing it the 'wrong' way".

This week I started throwing Events Mon- Fri for a club. I looked at who I was and what the club was and I Decided on 5 weekly events I thought fit. PERIOD. And even though only ten people came up to the two I have done I had a Blast. I am going to keep them as weekly events. I had FUN. Other people had FUN. If you didn't have fun that hour at my event or someone elses event, or if you didnt have anything to do then MAYBE just MAybe you should taken a look at the Calendar. Oh yeah but you did and instead of Joining one you decided to plot a Forum attack on clubs.

So I sound like I am attacking back. It is just that geesh... I am not going to feel Guilty i have 5 - 1hour contest a week ...like I am part of the "Problem" that came up while you were sleeping and not bothering with the Event Calendar cause you were off using YOUR skills and talents!

I also Work on Having a Charity Campign for Red River Site which is a SIm that supports Newbies, gives them starting Lindens , A free Apt till they get on their feet, and directions to the types of things they are looking for. They even support new Businesses while in start up phase buy letting them sell there for free. While it is PG and they ask while you are on their site you be PG - they dont make you Promise to be a PG ONly individual. They let know of options. THIS IS NOT A PLUG - I didn't even give full name of Site or the owners name.

I spend tons of time with friends and family all over in SL

I shop everywhere

And I even Take in some newbies every now and then and get them on their feet like someone did for me.

I also Hire Models to Model Clothes for Designers I know and PAY THEM (not just in Clothes given by Designer)


Womndering why I am so VAin , Just talking about me

CAUSE I am responsible for me and my fun and I am responsible for realizing that i can annoy others complaining i dont like THEIR way and I am responsible for KNOWING that that is wrong. AND SO ARE YOU!

I know their are issues in game. I have things I complain about. When it comes to Events and the Event Calendar I wish the judgment statements would stop and the idea would flow a little more without having to give a sarcastic example of how it is now. Should I start a thread "Was I Dancing in a G String when Everyone got so bitter". See how the sarcasm just makes you want to write an epic post!

Love you all. :+))

And dont be a whore...lol

There is barely anything left interresting when you dont want to show your "complete" avatar anymore, let s be honest.
I know i m gonna seem to be an old thing again but i remeber once again when i joined SL a few months ago, in that time, Lindens themselves were organising the Weekly Wagons, where a noob could get a little cash, and also all the free raffles that helped the economy to be a tad more healthy than it has become since you only get help from lindenlabs if you do contests. It s when they stopped announcing things and giving money just for holding an event that things have become the way they are now, not very creative that is.
It now seems that the rule of thumb has become as simple as be sexy and dance...... and with some luch you will be showered with money (either you will win the very cheap contest and win 200 lindens (hahah what do i buy with that ? hmm let s say 4 boxes of 5 "Js" and i m done) or get a chance to win ONE linden from the Spitting machine every 14 minutes and 35 seconds........) and there comes a crowd.
An event, nowadays has no more to be interresting in terms of content, now that People dont get money as easy as before, a single linden to win is enuf to get a place crowded with little noobs full of hope to get a few nail cuttings of money.
And now you have no more the right to simply say come and see what i ve done, we are slowly slipping to nonsense. Creativity resides now in things as basic as who s got the best skin and the less clothes....
So, Surreal, no, you did not sleep, you just worked a little too long on your virtual sewing machine forgetting to look at events tab because they were going less interresting each day, and now u re opening it you realise you must have missed a step. The rules of event hosting have changed and levelled the whole thing just at the ground level. No more peaks, just a flat line of clone events where organisers could even mutually copy paste the same text endlessly, at least we would see when something interresting appears in the list =D

Well..my events are hit and miss. They are somewhat specialized, so I never expect a huge crowd, but at times I only get 3-4 peeps, and at others 20-30.

I say, as well as constantly hear, the words, "There's nothing good in events today". Well, the number one cause of that is folks aren't being creative or are unwilling to host them.

If you come up with a great event, or want to bring back an old school one, try sending direct (possibly objects) invites to some folks on in your calling card list, and remind them when it is apporaching. That might get you a base audience, without having to depend entirely on the overcrowded events listing. Originality is a huge plus.

Personally I love:

Discussion events
Scavenger Hunts
Building Contests (that you don't have to enter a week ahead of time)
Formal occasions (Balls, fashion shows, receptions, mixers)
Trivia Contests (though my typing is too slow to ever win)
Gameshow type events
Charity Events
Skill & Talent Contests (Archery, Sword Fighting, Marksman, Building, Show and Tells, Poetry, Photography, etc.)

And other events that make the audience actually get involved and think. Standing around a club with my AV looping a dance animation gets old for me very quick.

Nobody shows up...


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I agree, but as noted above... people only go to free money naked avatar club events... or bingo...

Omg Cum 2 Club Egg See Eggy Nekkid! Woot!

Well..as I stated in my post, you might try sending out some personal invites. I know if you sent me an IM (with a naked picture of course) informing me of one of those type of events, chances are I would come and check it out.

I know it's a hassle, but that will get you a base audience and small grouping of green dots, and that usually attracts more green dots. The events listing s are hard to wade through. You might try having a funny, or very original name for your events as well, so they stick out in the listings.

It is very discouraging when your events only draw a few, or none, and there have been lean times at my events that made me question why I was doing them at all. I think stubborness helps, and word of mouth. Alot of my old supporters went on to other things and I don't see many of them anymore , but there are always new people to meet and as long as the event isn't overly stressful to set up, I'll continue to plug away at them, whether in my present venture, or some other venue/genre in the future.

Don't let mindless events win the day! Fight back!

(btw- was kidding about the naked picture, for those ready to be offended)

Examples of opportunities that are NOT OK to post as events:
- Visit my land for sale.
- Visit my new store, half price sale.
- Come see the vendor spots for rent.
- Visit my building.

This sucks for some of us wanting to promote malls.

Maybe I will put my toe on display at my mall and create an event!!!

I told you all MONTHS ago SL was coming to this. It's too late now. If LL changes policys on sex events. 90% of our population will leave SL. LL can't AFFORD to do that. =O