I've been baron-banned

Why don't you just build in the sky? The height limit for building stuff is about 700 metres or so, and you can set up teleporters to get to your house.

Briana,

I am not sure if you read the entire thread, but the issue is not about the neg rating - it is about the petty land banning for a neg rate on a for sale sign, blocking access significantly to his land. The response should more than match the offense, especially when said player is not even living in the sim, just selling land there.

Indeed! In this particular situation, it was Anshe that went ballistic over being neg rated in the first place.

Mmmm, I just found this thread and must say this is amazing! How could it have happened that I overlooked sooooo many many people who must have all been there standing next to Mr. pandastrong and me! It is really astonishing how many people seem know exactly how the evil land baroness griefed poor and innocent victim! Report! Ban! TOS! Burn Anshe bitch! Anshe guilty! Anshe guilty!

Hmmm...

Or maybe I did not see wrong? Maybe all those people here who pretend know so well have not been there?

Reality is that I set up some of my land while somebody I never met before was hanging out on it. I partitioned it into parcels, edited descriptions, started placing some nicely designed signs so that people can easily find land to buy. All the time your innocent victim hero of this thread was there, I was there. Mmm, you think he would talk to me? Say "hi"? Maybe ask me in normal way if I could place less signs? Or why I need them?

No. Without any attempt to communicate I receive neg rating. This was not pandastrong come to me and say "Hi, sorry, but would you mind placing less of those signs?" or anything like this. No, it was straight swinging club of neg rate.

I look at his building and compare to my signs and decide that his building does not look better. I consider how he approach me in totally disrespectful way. And I look at his mediocre appearance, so he get three ratings from me that all reflect my opinion about his building skill, appearance and behavior. And I decide I do not favor his presence on my land. Why should I be forced to have people hang out on my land who neg rate me before they even open their mouth? What would you do if somebody come to your land while you are there and start neg rate what you built without even a prior word?

To me, from the beginning it has been clear that pandastrong was simply looking for trouble. This thread here only prooves that he does not really care about removal of signs or red bars on my land. Btw, I only own land on one of four sides of his parcel, so all this talk about him not getting to his land is total nonsense and insanely exaggerate. Anyway, if he would only slightly care about what he pretend to be upset about he could simply have talk to me. Did he try remove his ratings and ask me in friendly way to undo my reaction? No. Of course not. As little as he talk to me before dishing it out in the first place. No, of course he comes to forum make big drama, complains to 100 people about terrible land baroness and tries ride the anti-Anshe and anti-land-baron wave to do maximum damage.

So all this only proof that I was right in my initial judgement. Troublemakers and drama seekers are not welcome on my land. You treat me in disrespectful way I close the door and I do make use of the rating system the way it has been intended to. You can whine as loud you want on the forum or claim TOS violation and cry abuse. It won't change any of the facts. People who approach me with a minimum of respect as any human being deserves to be approached with are welcome to be my guest. Yes, "land barons" are also human beings. How many people on this forum seem have forgotten this? Anyway, people who just grasp chance to cause drama, disturb the peace in Second Life and/or the forums, who dish it out on the "land baroness" just for the sake of dishing it out, those people are not welcome on my land and will be rated appropriately.

o.O

I am sooooo glad we finally have some honesty in the forums

This thread is probably the lowest moment in SL forum history.

WOOOT lets party nakie and on tables with GOO!

Nope. Willow goes lower.

Nah, it has gone much much lower - this is not even in the area code of the lowest it has gone.

Area code?

Hell.

This thread isn't even on the same *system* as the worst this forum has ever gone. Like... telephone to... shortwave, or something.

Is it just me or is someone beginning to channel BJJ?

Regardless, I think the plea is sincere: Land Barons need Love Too! *group hug*

Sory, Billy! I guess my mind was just on the subject of this thread when I posted that - I was certainly not including you in my mind!

And glad to see you aren't as MIA as we feared.

I'll be contacting you in-world shortly to get chatting

i am 100% out for any kind of union for market price collusion.

i'll take no leaders because thus far noone in favour of any union has presented any kind of vision that would be beneficial to the SL community or to my trade.

Anshe,

Lemme lay this down for you.

1. As Briana and other stated, people are allowed to neg rate. This system sucks, we know it, but bottom line is it's allowed.
2. Banning people from your land allowed as long as it does not restrict access to their land - the three side rule. According to panda you violated this rule.
3. As you suggested, Panda DID go to the lindens via abuse report first. They told her no and so she went to the forums to ask the public for help.
4. Panda didn't actually post your name, bottom line is people figured it out because of your reputation. Perhaps you have a point in that it could have been anonymous totally, and you are free to report the thread as innappropriate / abuse. This doesn't counter the fact that you violated the TOS with your ban surrounding Panda's land.
5. Panda could have spoken to you, but if Panda did not feel comfortable doing so, then she has no obligation to, in my opinion. If Panda neg rated you, I'd guess this is the case. Likewise you could have IMd Panda before banning. You chose not to.

I think Panda was very clear with what happened. Panda did not villify you, just stated facts and how it made panda felt. Your melodrama is an ineffective attempt, in this case, to play the victim.

If you just removed the ban lines, then you two would be square and I believe everyone would see that. As for the ratings, that's between you two.

1. Read Pand's post before commenting - she mentioned names.

2. Anshe said she just did it on one side.


And for christ sakes, EVERYONE - please read forum Guidelines:

Mmm, ok. So if somebody called Panda go to you and claim some "land baron" ban him on three side of his land this you call "fact"?

This is just another example how some people here, include you, are quick to judge and sentence guilty the "land baron" based on unchecked claims and accusations. In my case this has been going on since the very week my name appeared at top of land owner top 10 list in August. Somebody make some claim, 10 people cry "fact", 20 people cry "guilty".

In some situation it is not easy to check the facts. However, all you would have had to do in this case was go to one place and take look yourself. Then you would have seen that Panda's 3-side-dolby-surround-banning-claim is in no way based on reality. But obviously you are not interested in check accusation against "La Baronista" before you cry "foul" and "TOS violation" and "guilty". Who are YOU anyway to make such claims? Are you a LINDEN???



And? The Lindens did not even bother talk to me. So why you keep slamming TOS violation accusation on this forum?

The proper institution to uphold TOS in SL has rejected your accusations. Then you resort to forum slander. What does this make Panda? What does this make you?



"Liro Kendragon is one asshole". How does that sound?



It probably should have been remove right away. But I actually think at this stage it is better to leave this thread unaltered. It say a lot about the original poster and certain individuals who once again join the lynching attempt.



Did I start this thread? Did I ever start forum threads complaining about and attacking people?

You like to bring drama to this forum and try to publicly slander one member of community after Linden already make clear judgement in my favor. You ignore Jeska Lindens post on this thread. You just keep throw mud at me and claim I violate TOS even after Linden clearly ruled this is not the case.

And now you call my response to this thread and me posting what really happen "melodrama"? "play the victim"? Yes, I *am* victim of a ruthless mob who is trying to rule these forums and Second Life. You are part of this mob.

Last night I donated 10000 sqm of land and invite you and other people to Land Angels group to help distribute the land to the newbies. Yes, I went out of my way to invite people who attack me on forum join me do something beneficial for community, something many vocaly have called for. I don't believe conflict is good thing and hoped people could get together. Many people joined. But not you. You did not even IM me. Instead of be constructive you are here to try play self-proclaimed judge in mob witch trial, completely ignoring fact and evidence. This mob mentality and self assuming forum bashing is what really hurt Second Life and the community of this service.

Yes, I think it is time to discuss who is really hurting Second Life day after day after day after day. Are you proud of the conflict you bring to these forums? Are you proud of the many witch hunt and "baron bashing" threads you and others started and fueled? Several of which had to be deleted or locked by the forum moderators? Are you proud of bringing personal disputes between two people to the forum in order to lynch one? Are you proud of flaming club owners? Or the way you harassed Fizik? Or the people who already quit Second Life after you mobbed them?

Do you think that your behaviour of confrontation and arbitrary lynch mob justice does anyone a favor?

And, no, I am not interested in sympathies here. Why? I am taugh girl and I have no problem being the target. If it is not me, it is somebody else. I go my way, I speak my mind and I stand up for my ethics and values. For 3 months you have not made me move one inch and you can keep throw mud at me for 3 years and you won't see me move one inch. All you achieve is that you look as stupid as you do on this thread.

Now do what you need to do and post your "O.o" and "Anshe bitchy bitchy" flames.

blah! sputnik! grreeeeee!

I am continually amazed at how you folks give some one person so much power. Are you so afraid of the business of buying/selling land? Its not bad or good... it just is a fact of SL life. Deal with it and move on.

This constant dwell on the subject goes around and around in the same tired circle. Its as if you are obsessed with it and Anshe - that in your minds the two are one.

Pull your heads out of the emotional turmoil cloud and get creative. You are really going nowhere at the moment. You are completely REACTIVE - get revolutionary - think on a more productive level. The path this thread has taken is beaten and dead. It goes nowhere.

Only Willow is making sense at this point. You crack me up!

are you an egg too???!!?

splatzor!

Yes, if that land baron has done similar things before to my friends. But, if you are saying it is only on one side, then that's really all you needed to post in the first place.


All of my advice to Panda was based on her claim it was restricting access to her land in a 3-side violation. I think that was clear enough. Panda made the claims, not me.


I never actually said you did anything. Panda did. I gave panda advice based on that, and I never once passed judgement. I simply examined what she said and showed how it may be a TOS violation. If what she said is not true, then my advice is nullified.


Like an opinion with no evidence presented.


Then you are free to click the little yellow triangle "!" and report the thread as in violation of rules at anytime. Or you could have had your lawyer Jauani post your counter-argument sooner, that you did not block 3 sides, rather than posting an attack comment. Way to get off to a positive start on the thread!


Cristiano was the first person to call "the person" "an asshole". Before that it was a discussion about TOS. Then your lawyer Jauani chimed in and personally, directly, and by name attacked panda:

This was, in fact, the first personal attack on the thread between you and panda, Anshe. I say you since a lawyer, by definition, is speaking for you.

So you, Anshe, were actually responsible for starting the personal attacks between panda.

As for my own threads, if you feel i've attacked you, please quote me, else stop baselessly accusing me. I didn't need to be told by Jeska to keep it civil; I already was.

Ursa...

I neg-rated a build.

I was banned specifically from land bordering my property - the only reason for this was harassment by one person who obviously controls a large resource (playing within the TOS to specifically harass).

I asked the community if it had any ideas on forms of public protest.

Instead of posting a self-refreential reactionary comment to the only medium I can think of as a form of protest, do you have any better ideas of how to protest this action? I would welcome them with open arms and buy you a drink for your trouble

"Mobs" and "conspiracies" and "you-all's"....

If there's a mob out for blood, I'd like to know about it. If there's a conspiracy of unproductive complainers out there, I haven't been asked to join.

I'm developing a large chunk of land into a themed community for newbies and others -- in partnership with a well-known land baron. It's an experiment -- we'll see how it goes. There's my attempt to bridge the gap.

Anyone who wants to see what I can do/have done/have contributed to SL can come out to Enceladus and look for Athabasca. You don't need directions, you can't miss it.

I suspect -- based on what I know -- that if people in the land business were to talk to people in the mob/conspiracy/you-all/other side, common ground might be discovered. Talents could be coordinated productively. Content could be used to solve the problem of clutter, litter, indiscriminate terraining and parcelling, and even general bad manners.

Clearly there's a stalemate here, and exhaustion set in a long time ago. For my part, I'm done with specifics in this debate, although I'll continue to talk about generic principles.

pandastrong - Just IM Anshe and RESOLVE your differences.

I hate to play cop, but HOW many times have you been told to take this PRIVATE.

Donovan - don't confuse your own maturity for that of others. I've tried time and time again to compromise and look for balance, but all I get is "LAND BARON LAND BARON LAND BARON" like from little children who refuse to listen.