Your Real-Life Personal Information

After 2 months of grieving me, I posted, then incident was resolved. You could not wait 2 seconds to post your dirty laundry...there is a HUGE difference.

Unlike you, Nolan apologized, yet you still make a BFD. You make a BFD of nothing and yet you have the audacity to minimize me for being stalked? Pathetic, Prok

I guess you haven't been reading these threads very carefully?

Nolan has been stalking me for weeks, nay, months, and I never whined to the forums or even whined to the Lindens at first because actually, I'm not a whiner in the game and tend to just play through and around people like Nolan without bothering the Lindens.

He has been sending me numerous messages inside the game, and in the internal messaging system on the forums.

He has tried to get me into conversations in the game, then published these conversations on sluniverse.com and bruited them all over to people in the game -- for WEEKS.

He has actively sought to dig up RL information from me through HUMINT by soliciting it from a few SL players that got it unlawfully, without my consent, from people in TSO (TSO has less protections of privacy I gather).

Nolan has relentlessly stalked me with an aim to blackmail me, to start using personal info about me on the forum-- which he began some days before this thread got started -- and he made good on those threats. This is a longer-term problem than just some little forums flame war for a day.

Honestly, Weedy, you are completely shortshighted if you can't see the larger context here of a person, systematically, over many weeks, in many ways, in the game, in notecards, in messages, has been harassing me with an aim to silencing the criticism that a few older players like yourself don't like.

It was only FINALLY, after ignoring him for WEEKS, after filing one in-game AR, that I got 3 messages from him containing all my vital RL info and a clearcut threat about how he was going to use it on the forums, and indeed he had already begun to use it on the forums.

So I then sent the AR-s to the Lindens, but after one day, I saw nothing was happening.

So I prempted his abuse by posting a generic thread YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION to give the outlines of the story. Nolan seized his moment to publish my RL information. It was removed.

This has all been repeatedly rehearsed. Your failure to see it reveals the severe blind spots, prejudices, and privileging system that have constituted a severe obstacle in this game, and renews my determination to fight them.

Minimizing your being stalked? Hardly. I never said a word about it. I do think a threat to display RL info, and the knowledge of RL info in the hands of someone who has become unhinged and unstable, is a far greater threat, but I don't know the specifics. It doesn't matter. Your prejudices are worn openly on your sleeve, and you only further expose yourself by your continued nasty posts.

I understand Nolan apologized for publishing part of RL private info he had gathered somehow.
But why should the victim of this intrusion be apologizing?
Which of the page numbers did i miss?


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No need to apologize, accepting apology perhaps might help the situation. Rather than that though, Prokofy is hell bent on persecution and continuing his contempt for the Lindens and others who disagree with him.

Truth is, Nolan is still here. He is not banned and was merely informally warned.
That adds no credibility to Prokofy's monumental accusations which are inflammatory and exaggerative.

I don't have "contempt for the Lindens" -- I had contempt for one act committed by one Linden at one point in time, expressed that contempt, and when that Linden rectified his mistake, explained it was due to lack of experience, oversight, information and corrected it, I reversed my expression of contempt (the bear is now back in its pride of place in my club).

The story with Nolan is not over. It is still under investigation. I dunno, watch the police blotter.

It might be that no further action is ever taken because they couldn't make a case, or they don't want to admit THAT much error by taking FURTHER action, despite Pathfinder's apology (which he did make, BTW, or are you forgetting that now in your flames?)

The fact is, we have a crystalline TOS interpretation now from Pathfinder. It could not be more clear. We will all benefit from that.

The message has been clearly sent that anyone who bruits about in the game information about a person they have gathered from *anywhere* *other than* their "First Life" RL profile on their "Second Life" game profile is liable to suspension for violation of the TOS.

End of story. That's all she wrote. And that's all the credibility I need for my "accusations" which were not inflammatory, and not exaggerations, but simply reports of TOS violations, which now are utterly, unambiguosly, undeniably pronounced as a TOS violation.

Can I have a Second Life? No, now I can't, because of Nolan Nash. I'm deprived of my full enjoyment of the game for evermore, unless I want to restart as an alt, which wouldn't make sense for me since I have a business tied to my current account's name.

But everyone else, can, including Nolan Nash and Weedy Herbst, who can keep their Second Life intact, secure in the knowledge of a crystalline TOS interpretation.

I believe that was worth the sacrifices I made.

Yeah minor incident. Hence no suspension. I doubt there will be a supsension, and that makes your case exaggerative and inflammatory. Wanna put money money on it? 10,000L says Nolan does not get banned. Put your money where your mouth is.

What I find psychotic about all this is not that Prok is posting (clearly he has a big ego, but so do I, so I think that's cool) but rather people keep replying?

Often very surreal or abstract things get posted around here and I just ignore them. I feel very little need to address individuals because I really could not care less. I enjoy addressing community or group concepts, because that is a trend, a measurable and real hysteria which has some statistical interest behind it - for example, the obvious witch hunt / pitchfork action going against Prok right now.

What is it about Prok that moves the commuinity to rise up and reply like this? What is it that keeps you all bumping his thread after thread after thread?

What motivates you to break basic social contracts and insult him with all sorts of terrible language? Does he make you feel insecure and you feel the need to bring him back down to your level?

Truly, I really enjoy Prok's threads. First, because I believe he's sincere and I love sincere egos. But also I enjoy how his mind seems to have cast a spell over the community of SecondLife, how he brings out this beast so easily with the carrot and stick of his mere keyboard.

I have heard that you can recognize true art when it makes you want to vomit. With all this vomiting going on over the thread, I can only pronounce Prok as the real Artiste.

Grafitti and performance art are crap sometimes and often anti-social. So I guess you are right, somewhat.

Oh, I'm not a huge fan of performance art, as that is more Taco Rubio styles and it (at least for me) often lacks the sincerity that Prok exemplifies.

As for anti-social, it all depends on how to define it. I think revealing truths that are challenging to be the ultimate in the social act.

I personally am not wealthy enough in this game to blow 10,000 on a silly wager like that, but anyone who supports the principles I've embodied are welcome to turn it into a commercial affair like this.

I'm confident that the Lindens are taking this case very seriously. It is very easy to show that Nolan engaged in a clear TOS violation, not only on "disclosure" but on "verbal harassment" and on "intimidation". He might get away with a wrist-slap on "disclosure," but when they look at "verbal harassment" and "intimidation" they are likely to put together a case. I'm betting that they are giving a serious look to the "disclosure" problem too.

If they don't, my faith in them is diminished, because they are all-to-willng to put together cases of "verbal harassment" when in fact they are instigated with malice as a means to continue flame-wars by other means.

But if they fail to act on this case, what I am confident they will do is marshal their arguments and their TOS-enforcement apparatus to deal with the next case much better.

And that alone was worth it, and I take no shame in that.

So let's see what they do with a case of real verbal harassment, that amounts to a real threat of the heavy-breather "I know where you live" type of activity.

I believe that the Lindens, especially a group of Lindens putting their heads and experience together, without the kind of bias one sees here on the forums, are able to come up with a wise and just decision in this matter, that will be completely unlike anything that Weedy Herbst or Chip Midnight, my chief forum detractors, could be relied upon to come up with.

I don't know what form this will take. It might merely take the form of Jeska or Pathfinder coming here to close this thread, so it no longer becomes a forum to demean and depersonalize me, air my RL information and intimations of it in caricatures, and further harass me. That might be the path of least resistance for them.

It might take the forum of a police blotter report in which we see Nolan is suspended but only for 3 days or 14 days. Well, better than nothing.

It might take the form of a Linden coming on and saying something bland like "The TOS is for everyone, regardless of their views expressed or lifestyles and we will enforce it" or some such corporate type thing.

It might take the form of "no-action" which can often happen in a busy game where the managers are hugely engaged in other stuff more important to them as a business.

But the action taken so far -- the crystal-clear interpretation from a fine mind like Pathfinder's -- is all that I need to continue to play the game.

Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahah

~deep breath~

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Sock puppet. Now I get it. Get help, Prok. You need it. Badly.

Yes, Cienna .. it *is* funny.

Because without the echo here, without the dozens of gibbering SL voices replying back, there would be no drama here.

The drama here are the insults by Christiano, the personalization of Chip Midnight, the cruel remarks of Ulrika.

Because without those, there would be nothing. It would just be a thread that sank in the forum list without any replies.

But yet you can't see it. After 100s even 1000s of posts, you folk still can not see this simple reality.

If no one said a word, if all other voices were quiet, this poor, whacked fool would still be posting thousands of words a day, begging for popularity, begging for notice, and accusing the silent masses of working to deny it to him.

That's what self-appointed martyrs, the terminally cognatively dissonant, and the attention hoes do. Their pathology will permit no other pursuit, because their entire identity is built around all the things kept from them, all the things denied, and all the imaginative ways 'they' are out to 'get me' (sic).

Simply put, if Prokfy didn't have an outlet to play 'pity poor me', he'd make one.

For my part, I intend, after this post, to return to my usual set of forum decorum, which includes not feeding the trolls... Prok is one, and I believe you are another. So farewell, blake.... and may you and Prok be slowly starved as you should be. Yes, I know, I'm an optimist. Oh well. Sue me.

Riiight.

And giving him the attention he so clearly craves will shut him up.

Whatever was I thinking!?



Gee, now there is an idea! Why didn't I think of that one?

Christiano, Ulrika, Chip, Cienna, Nolan .. who ever. If someone upsets you to the point you feel the need to personally attack them.. Do them, yourselves, and everyone else a favor:

Put Them On Ignore.

This whole thing is already over,

but I would say that -- yeah, lots of my info is available online. Mainly because I participate in the public as a business person and own a corporation, so I can't really hide it anyway.

However, if you do find my info -- it's for you to keep.

I always keep the information I dig up to myself. Just policy.

Yep, I gotta agree with you here. I'll take their money. Like they say "A fool and his money are soon parted"




He posted disclosure info, and thats it. He was given a warning. He apologized to you and the community in his post. Heaven forbid, that's just too civil for you, I guess. Persecution is much better course for resolution in your books.

If you are "confident" in the Linden's being serious, why is it you undermine what they would consider privacy issues by boisterously and rampantly repeating them in the forums?

For a person who seems to be advocating privacy rights, forgoing yours and bashing the entire community over the head with it, is disingenous.

Any reasonable person, especially when they hold the upper hand, should shut the fuck up and let the real authorities deal with it.




Threats. Excellent method of pissing off judges.

These are discussion threads. Given the nature of your posts, winning the forums seems to be some obsessive compulsion on your part and a lever to further it.

So why don't you have me on ignore? I was one of the very few people in this thread who tried to speak to the broader issues that were raised, but like Prok you did not contribute. I think you just like saying my name. Thanks for setting us all straight, mom.

Blaze,

Honestly, your short sighted tunnel vision amazes me. You choose to see only what you want to. You keep calling me out with a misspelled name - I called Prokofy an unmitigated ass in response to his attack on me, my site, etc.. in response to asking if his name had been posted to these forums, since the contention has been made over and over that his RL information was posted here. For the record, his name was not posted - the post implied however that Nolan had the name in question and would tell whomever asked.

You ignore all of that, you ignore anything Prokofy has done or said, because it doesn't suit your tatic of painting everyone else the mean villians here. Read the thread in its entirety, and you will realize over and over I have said that Prokofy in no way deserved to have this happen to him. We had a long conversation in world last night and settled a lot of this. If you are going to call out people for imaginary offenses, then at least be consistent, otherwise you just look like a biased fool. Also, follow your own advice, if you don't like the posts, then put the person on ignore and quit bumping a thread that will die whenever it is ready to, and not a moment sooner.

The bottom line in this thread is that what happened to Prokofy was wrong, and could happen to any of us. Prokofy did not deserve disclosure of personal information, or to be the subject of a Google connect the dots witch hunt. That is way over the line, and it is terrifying that it came to all of this. I understand why Prokofy is not the most sympathetic figure, but the "you had it coming" posts serve no purpose - Prokofy did not have it coming. I may disagree wildly with Prokofy on a lot of topics, but in this I am in complete agreement. The genie has been let out of the bottle, and the damage has been done.

I understand why Prokofy would not accept an apology. An apology cannot change what has happened at this point - honestly, neither would banning Nolan. The principles that Prokofy is standing up for are much broader than this singularly focused thread - it is about protecting all of us, good, bad, or indifferent. It is not easy to stand up for what is right in the fact of relentless scorn (much of it self inflicted), but Prokofy has not backed down, and for that, I respect him.

I hope this never again happens to anyone in SL - the implications are horrible. We have a right to choose who we disclose private information to. That right was taken away from Prokofy, and that is what this is about. Even if you hate all that Prokofy stands for, I hope that no one would wish this kind of damage upon anyone.

Sorry, Cristiano.

As you probably know by now I am kinda dumb and slow and regularly make spelling /' grammar mistakes. No offense intended on the name.

Chip, I feel no need to personally attack you. I don't think I ever have. Though I do disagree with you quite often, and I am constantly puzzled while you liberally sprinkle your posts with personal statements about individuals.

And, yes, I am ignoring what Prok is saying. Mostly because I have a hard time working my way through his rather large (and yes, wordy) posts.

Which brings up another point.

How is it that you people (and I mean you, as a group.. the individuals I'm sure are all reasonable people) can take the time to actually read enough of what he says to feel that you are insulting him accurately?

I disagree. If people want to avoid having others do unkind things to them they'd be well served by not being an ass to everyone. It's simple common sense, and pointing it out to someone who so obviously doesn't get it does serve a purpose.

We ALL agreed that what Nolan did was wrong somewhere around page 2. The other 50,000 words penned by Prokofy in this thread have been nothing but unnecessary (and condescending) grandstanding and hand wringing to try and manipulate as much sympathy as possible out of a a very minor incident.

Prokofy's identity was not revealed in this thread, ever. The only possibly sensitive information that was revealed was Prok's real life gender. How can having your gender revealed be a problem unless you are actively engaged in deceiving people? It seems odd to me that we seek to protect the ability to deceive as some sacred right and want to string up someone who revealed what should be a completely innocuous bit of factual information. There's no doubt it was against the rules, but I can't help feeling that there's something very backwards about it all.

Don't you find it at all ironic to be saying this considering every single one of your posts in this thread has been a critique of mine and others personal motives? I do. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Please do not respond to this post if you are not Prok. I'd like to hear prok's response without overtones injected. This may be a futile request but, if you wouldn't mind too much .



yes , lol.

I will attempt to be serious for a second. I could respond in an abrassive manner and start the whole go-round agian, but you enjoy writting more than I do. In anycase it was I think meant in part humorously (I think). Now the post that the above quote responded to was fairly innocuous. I didn't think I'd even get a response. You did respond though. Less cutting than usually but still a response. Why did you? There's more than enough material for you to respond to. I wasn't even addressing the topic at hand. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have or that I'm upset. Neither is the case, but myself I wouldn't have responded to my post. Just curious about what thought processes went into it . Actually the root of my question is have you enjoyed this thread? or do you view it as an obligation/responsibility? Is this work or play? or possibly do you hate this but you can't stop responding? or if everyone stopped responding to this thread now would you start another one? I'm pretty antisocial but I do like to understand people's motivations, or why anything does what it does come to that.

Feel free to respond privately if it would suit you better.

hmmmm.... cristiano thinks one way, and chip disagrees. hmmmm..
well... i agree with.... him.


so sayeth:

marilyn

I agree with both of them. Cris is right, that nobody should have personal info posted.
I also agree with Chip, that making your info widely available and being abusive towards others leaves you open too.

It's like the boy who cried wolf, nobody should be expected to believe what Prok says, just because Prok says it. Prok's ramblings here are largely dismissed by me. They have no credibility or merit, given his history in dealing with others.