Your Real-Life Personal Information

Nice summary, Prokofy. So.. hmm.. snobs? Doubtful. I think it's much more likely you lack the reference for the history of alts in SL.

Alts have been used for many things in the game, a lot of which are legitimate. However, IMHO, alts have gotten the bad rap they have because they were used as disposable tools to game the system to thier advantage and to grief others in various ways.

Having an opinion of alts from negative experiences does not make one a snob - placing negative blanket labels on groups that you have an issue with probably isn't snobbish either, but it can make you across as a _____.

No, Cristiano, Nolan sent me my RL name in a message inside these forums, on the private message system, along with other RL information, some of which he indeed threatened to publish, then did publish. It was removed by Pathfinder, but not until it sat there for hours.

He may have used something like [ ] to indicate the name, but let everyone know that way he had the name. Then, if you read all through this thread, you can see that all sorts of wits provided their e-mails to Nolan for him to send to them all the RL info he had garnered on me, so that they, too, could see all the things that would be fun to look at and contrast and compare, etc.

In fact, the success of that further harassment could be seen later that night when various people -- strangers -- began IMing me in the game and hammering me to give them the same information posted, or more information, or confirmation, or explanations or whatever.

What's you point Cristiano? It's all very clear. If I somehow misspoke and said that my name was posted here, when I meant first in the private messages, then as a blank on this page to let everyone know he had it so they could get it [and they got the hint and asked him, duh, so it's the same as publishing the name], well, shoot me. You said SHUT THE FUCK UP to me at least once in that convo and you were just generally nasty, and I was tired, having had a very long day in which thousands of people got to read my RL information, ruining my privacy forever in this game, and in which I had to wage a huge uphill struggle just to get a simple recognition from the Lindens and "the community" (if you call a pack of baying jackals and junk-yard dogs a "community" that doing that kind of thing is a clear-cut TOS violation.

I think you only had one consideration: how can I, Cristiano Midnight, avoid getting into trouble if Nolan has posted anything on MY website? Is that it? Or are you trying to catch me in some kind of contradiction in order to undermine my case? Well, the fact is, Nolan sent me my RL name and all information, and he published that information here, and using brackets and comments, made it clear that anyone who wanted to pick up the skinny on Prok could just write to him.

Well, rest assured, I don't go chasing after your website and TOS because it doesn't have one/one hundredth of the readership of SL. I will ask you to remove Nolan's references to my RL information which he has unlawfully garnered without my consent from your website. I don't know if your TOS covers that but since you yammer quite a bit about "privacy" for the jpegs and so on, on your site, I think it would be common courtesy to remove Nolan's offensive, malicious "interview" with me from your website, which was published as a notecarded conversation, not with my consent. That is, I don't give a good goddamn that he did that, and there's not a goddman thing in it that I wouldn't tell anybody if they ask, but I just think it's poor journalistic practice to do that.

Bit of an exaggeration there don't you think Prok? What was posted in this thread was your gender, state of residence, and occupation. I'd hardly call that "ruining your privacy forever," especially considering that 99.9% of people who passed through this thread couldn't care less about those things, myself included. I am truly sorry that this happened to you and that you found it so upsetting, but try and keep it in perspective. You make it sound like someone posted your name, address, and phone number. I have a feeling that if someone had been chatting with you in world and asked you your gender, state, and occupation that you'd tell them, so is this really such a horrible tragedy? (Note: This does not warrant a 2000 word reply).

You are an unmitigated ass, honestly, Prokofy. I was confused about one thing, and so I asked the question,since I had seen reference to it and wondered if your name had been revealed or not. You told me one thing, Nolan told me another, and so I asked for your side of it.

BTW, telling you to kindly shut the fuck up, which honestly felt good, was on a completely different topic unrelated to any of this, and after you insulted me repeatedly. Of course you don't mention that, because it doesn't suit your purposes. You manipulate everything to seem as if you are always justified.

Your personal information was never published on my site, so I don't know why you feel the need to fabricate things - to state that it was is a complete lie. I asked a simple question of you, and you cannot get by without making as many digs as possible at someone. It is really sad.

I love how you project what other people's motivations are, and indict them with it. I asked you a question for clarification. The rest of your tirarde is pathetic, and I am not going to respond to it.

PS - you also conveniently left out the fact that I specifically offered to remove the thread from Nolan on my site, you said you would look it over but that it wasn't necessary. The thread on my site does not contain your personal info, so please get over yourself.

Juro, I wouldn't have to be a brain surgeon or a beta tester in SL to understand why there is a dislike of alts because they game the system (I imagine this would be in running them through to put posrates and dwell on another av and on a lot? But how much of that could you get away with doing? And it wouldn't be worth the expense.) And it's typical of that condescending -- dare I say snobbish? -- attitude of an established oldbie such as yourself to assume that I must not "get it" about some feature of SL history like alts, as if that is some special Masonic knowledge passed down from master to apprentice, when in fact it is the most obvious thing in the world.

I stand by my characterization about the snobs. And it's not about griefing, that's a separate issue.

Here's a guy that about sums it up for me the other night: when I appear as an alt to him while we were hanging out with a bunch of people, he expressed a kind of mild disgust. He whined about it a bit. I was perplexed. Why be fussy about alts, especially alts that come on and say "Hi, I'm Prok" and have the exact same groups and blog as Prok on their profile so they aren't much of a secret? And he said, "Well, having alts is like picking your nose. You may have to do it now and then. But you never do it in polite company, and you certainly never tell anybody you are doing it."

Well, geez. You're no fun! And that doesn't mean that guy is a snob all around, he seemed like a witty and engaging fellow, but on *this issue* he fit in with all the others who *on this issue* are snobs, so it is safe to say they "are snobs* without being beaten with any stick that says "unfair characterization!" Doesn't his remark sum it up perfectly?

Why? Because like I said, people think alts are just something that you keep in a newbie shirt and use merely to hold a group with 3 members, or have as an anchor somewhere for some reason, i.e. to have two log-ins, one at a home, the other at a workplace or whatever. There's this whole "attitude" I see especially among the FIC types that really loathe alts, and are prepared even in the most serious thread about the most serious matters, where not a single one of my alts is visible, to complain that anyone who is on my side must be an alt.

Changeability is something that always frightens human beings and that's why there is an inborn tendency to hate chameleon-like alts. This crowd here seems especially conservative on that score and especially obsessed with their posrates and their image and their reputations on their main account.

Most people will tell you witheringly that you are stupid to have an alt because you could just be changing your look, clothes, gender, skin colour, everything at a drop of the hat in appearance mode on your main, and keep folders to just presto-chango stuff.

But that's no fun because the whole point of an alt is to have a different NAME, and often a FUN NAME that you can create a persona and a legend around, and put the clothes, etc. to match -- I find that's a really big enjoyment in this game. In TSO, we were free to completely control the names, there weren't these dumb last names saddled on us. So you could do things like go make a temp account or start a new perm account with a name like Allen Ginzburg and Dean Moriarity if you were trying to make a kind of beatnik lot with those characters on it. Or you could see a friend who had a robot named Tricky, and you could make a robot and name him Trickier.

One of the greatest sims I ever made was named Your Conscience, with little blue wings, and she could arrive on a lot and every one could read the profile, which said "Am I Bothering You?" So one time I flew on to a lot where Will Wright's sim was hanging out and I asked why he let the Sim Shadow Government take over the game and he just laughed and said "Hehe, good name" just like he laughed and said "hehe good name" when I made a sim called Wont Wrong that had everyone convinced it was *the* game dev for months. (See, Nolan, that's the basis for your lurid belief that I "hounded WW out of the game* -- fun stuff like that which everyone just laughed over).

But there isn't that spirit of fun here, where the last names have come to be like Rockefellers and Vanderbilts if they signify oldness, because the Lindens retire them out of the list (talk about a built-in fete mechanism, geez!). I never did understand why we are saddled with these names, since "shards" or "guilds" don't seem to be at issue. It's just one more feature of that SL culture that makes everything seem like one big extended family, complete with inbred imbecile cousins.

I also find that people sneer at your having alts if they think you don't publicize who they are because they think you are off having some sordid affair. The snobbishness comes in with that sense that it just isn't "good tone" in "better society" to have alts, which are tacky things that either have sordid affairs, make up 3 in a group for somebody who must be a lozer if they couldn't find 3, or whatever their opinion is about the low and dirty things that alts do.

And I challenge this aspect of SL ingrained culture and I challenge just about everything. Sorry, but there it is. That was the TSO slogan I got used to, "Challenge Everything".

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Well, Cristiano, you don't get to call me names, do you? Oh, I guess you do. See how that is done?

And I thought you asked a hostile question, so I answered it with a hostile reply. If it was innocent, fine.

Um, I mentioned that I was tired and may have misspoken about something because I was in a conversation characterized by you saying SHUT THE FUCK UP about this issue of the land sales or land rentals being in the land sale list. And I took vehement exception to your prudish and controlling whining about that issue, and said so, and yes, we were speaking on a different topic, so your STFU on that topic created a general nasty climate in which I may not have been clear. It's meant as an explanation, not as a lie. I'm sure you can see the point now.

I'm not fabricating anything about your site. I didn't say there was personal information there. I'm saying that Nolan put up a big interview of me that he drew from a notecarded convo in the game. I saw it there but I didn't have any time to really read it through. I can't be sure it was even copied and pasted correctly, and whether it was mixed with his other "research".

This is what I wrote, Cristiano:



Notice that it says IF. I can't be sure WHAT was there because I didn't read through every damn raving on there.

So it was a simple request that if you saw any RL information to TAKE IT OFF.

Now let me make this statement as WITHERING as I can, Cristiano, given it is typed.

I can HARDLY expect you to be asking a sincere question about a simple matter when you have been roasting me in the forums for months, and have attacked me with unmitigated hostility even in the game, even shouting STFU at me over some stupid land list tihng. Are you wrapped just a little too tight there, Cristiano?

I didn't want you to remove something that didn't have RL information in it, because that would appear that I was out to censor Nolan, which I'm not interested in doing, or that I was somehow "running and hiding" from his charges that I "sued EA.com and drove Will Wright from his own game" -- which are crazy tabloid ravings of the order of "Mom Gives Birth to Three-Headed Tot"

I didn't have a chance to pour over that thread, and still haven't, so I hope it doesn't have RL info, but if it doesn't, fine, great, now go tell somebody else to STFU and leave me alone.

If you don't get it, Chip, I'm certainly not about to break it down to you and argue with you about it by further eroding my privacy.

No, I don't tell people my RL information in the game, because it's a game where I have an avatar.

Ah, well didn't you say previously that if someone wanted to get to know you in game and possibly date you that under those circumstances you'd do the A/S/L thing? Whatever. In the grand scheme of things I hope you can find a bit of perspective on this and stop freaking out about it. It's an extremely minor bit of information that in no way revealed who you are.

Prokofy,

As much as we have sparred publicly in the forums, I have talked to you on multiple occasions in world and had conversations with you and have never been hostile with you until the other night. I sought you out the other night to talk to you about this, and expressed to you my sympathy over it. That the conversation turned in other directions is irrelevant, the hostility had nothing to do with this topic at all. Again, I told you to kindly shut the fuck up (not shouted) after you insulted me. We talked about all of this well in advance of the subsequent conversation, so you can't blame my hostility on your misstatements.

As destructive of a person as I think you are, I did not wish this on your or anyone else, and that is why I spoke to you. I was asking a question here for some understanding. I think it is you who is wrapped way too tight, Prokofy - you can't ever seen anything from anyone without some ulterior motive, a motive which you project onto them regardless of the truth of the situation.

Is it possible to place a person on ignore in the forums? or better yet mute an entire thread? I'd love to stop reading this but the damn thing is perversly attractive. If it's not possible may I suggest it as a feature .

Geez, Rickard, you are TOO much, rubber-necking the accident and then blaming the accident and the road because you got a rubber neck. Sheesh.

It can only be on the Second Life Fuck You and Die School of Forum Intercourse that someone could say "I kindly told you to STFU" and expect that to be understood as ernest, eloquent, kindly dialogue LOL.



Um, Chip, note that it says IF THEY WANTED TO GET TO KNOW ME AND POSSIBLY DATE ME. That's a big difference than dealing with all the fucktards who IM you and demand your A/S/L either because of their prurient interest spawned by these threads, or because they are just generally yahoos of an AOL chat group.

Hmmm, interesting. In almost two years not a single person has ever IM'd me out of the blue and asked for my age sex or location. It must be your incredible magnetism

Give me a break, Prokofy. You made a blanket statement pertaining to anyone who has an adverse opinion of alts. I tried to explain why your 'snob' comment was off mark, yet you fight it and claim I'm being a snob for my condescending attitude and special Masonic knowledge. Right.

Your comments and challenges are tiring. I stand by my original comment that not having a negative opinion of alts does not make one a snob.

Let me tell you what really gets me about this whole thing:

A violation of TOS occurred inworld and a thread surrounding this violation was started on the forums.

Had this thread not existed, the matter could've been rectified between the involved parties without the fanfare. It simply would've been Prokofy, Nolan, and LL.

Had this thread not existed, noone would give a sh&t about Prokofy's RL info - but now, people are probably much more curious about it and probably much more willing to seek it out to satisfy that curiosity.


Rickard is right.. it's like watching a car wreck over and over and over again. Fun and grisly at the same time.

if people are to be castigated for being off-topic, you are in far more danger than i.

my towers never spun. nor were they up for weeks. one would be forgiven for thinking your posts have little or no relationship with any recognizeable truth.

once again you're hurling unsubstantiated charges. you've made charges at the Lindens, at the feted, and at Second Life players in general. at long last, have you no shame?

hate is empty. find something you care about more.

biff

It will put the lotion in the basket or it will get the hose.

~Ulrika~

P.S. - You're a kook.

Satisfying? Try disturbing.

~Ulrika~

Pregnancy suits you well, Ulrika. Your posts have been making me laugh out loud

Aimee Weber said something similar to that the other day. I don't know why but I seem much less serious lately.

~Ulrika~

'tis the pickles and Häagen-Dazs

Clearly, because Prokofy lacks some social graces (oh wait, was that Christiano that called Prok an unmitigated ass? hmm), ok well, because Prok has expressed some contrarian views he deserves to be persecuted!

I think case closed, huh folks?

You guys just can't stand it when someone expresses something that is completely against what you think or believe.

It just freaks you all out so much you feel the need to attack someone who's privacy has clearly been violated.

I was going to tell a funny Ulrika pregnancy joke, and then I saw how you used the "ä" in "Häagen-Dazs". Now I just want to laugh and point at you.

I think the way to have avoided this whole thing was for Nolan not to dig around and try to come up with the facts of my RL as a way of silencing my criticism on the forums?

I think that might have worked pretty well to avoid a thread like this.

Ok, I"m sorry, that wasn't the rotation script. I was something though that made them seem to pulsate? Like neon glaring lights? I remember thinking they would induce an epileptic fit.

They did too stay up for more than a week for sure, I remember visiting them several times, talking to you about them, taking pictures, and there was a thread on this for days. You know full well that numerous people went apeshit over your griefer tower.

Where are the results of your research?