Your Real-Life Personal Information

Actually, I will concede that we should all follow the primary SL forum rule and keep RL out of the forums. I don't think there's anyone here that wouldn't agree with that. Thanks blaze!

~Ulrika~

Unfortunately, every other post in this thread has been

"yes, it's sad to see your privacy violated but...." and then some inane excuse about how because Prok expresses ideas which pisses everyone off he deserves to have his privacy violated.

Blaze,

Since you felt the need to call me out, I will respond in kind. Prokofy has no shame in calling people an asswipe, asshat, idiot, or any number of condescending, if not colorful phrases. Unabashedly, I might add. Prokofy's response to my question asking for clarification of a point was incredibly nasty - the question "was your name posted by Nolan" a valid one. If you look through the thread, you will see I am not part of the "Prokofy had it coming" brigade. I think what happened, while blown out of proportion in grand Prokofy style is clearly a TOS violation, and that privacy is important to protect.

As for Prokofy's "think different" schtick freaking anyone out, that is laughable. People are just tired of a perpetually contrary blowhard, and have trouble mustering up sympathy for someone who rains a shitstorm of relentless criticism on anyone he disagrees with. Of course, you don't call out Prokofy on that, but that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Just want to add there are a whole bunch of us who don't drive at all. I haven't driven since 1984. There's this thing called taking the bus. I know this is irrelevant but I felt it needed to be said.

Why do I have "no shame" Cristiano? Perhaps because if I occasionally use a colourful epithet like that, it's because:

a) the forum culture is such that everybody on here commonly uses "fuck" and "shit" and calls each other names all the time. I learned the word "asshat" from others on the forum, I didn't even know it before I came here.
That's the norm.

b) because people provoke me mercilessly and finally I do say some name, but "idiots" is hardly an example of some kind of bad behaviour because it's so mild and

c) quite often, people simply *are* fucktards, Cristiano, and you have to help define the term.

You were incredibly nasty to me in the game -- and that takes a special kind of energy, because it is very easy to be nasty on the forums, but to come and say SHUT THE FUCK UP to someone in person in the game takes a special kind of nerve and nastiness.

Most everybody here is looking for a way to stick me, and exonerate themselves. So you'll excuse me if my default mode is to assume that your approach to me, which seemed nervous and strained and mainly about trying to fix something on your website that might undermine your "privacy" reputation, just struck me as not very friendly. And it still doesn't.

You see? There you go again. You are willing to say you aren't part of the "Prokofy had it coming" brigade -- hey, that's big of you! -- but you undermine the case instantly by saying "but it was blown up".

It's never just what it is, Cristiano, is it?

Well, when you are facing a situation where first, no one reacts to your plight, and second, when they do and there is only a wrist slap, you have to stand up and holler. I'm sorry, you don't get it. I had to be the guinea pig on this and it's unfortunate for me personally.



Cristiano, there's a lot of important stuff in this game, which I view as a kind of pioneer virtual world that will replicate and become bigger across the Internet. And I personally think it is extremely important to make that world a liberal and free and tolerant one that also has consideration for other people. These ideas are important to me. I will fight really hard for them. If you don't like it, scroll on. I'm just inclined to fight for what I believe in and that's it. Few people bother to have such strong beliefs, but I do.

Few people "get it" about how you have to fight for things like this for the sake of applying something like a TOS interpretation for everybody. I had to jump up and down and scream, but now the next person won't. That only leaves you with an impression that I'm a huge pain in the ass, but too bad, Cristiano, go joust with someone who seems more genteel to you, you can't always chose your enemies or your debating partners.

I can call Prokofy an idiot and its ok, because Prokofy says so.

Ok, once again, let's make something very clear, yee of the perpetual victim complex and tendency to hyper-exagerrate every thing that comes out of both sides of your mouth. You once again leave off the part where you demean me, in the midst of a conversation, and think if you just highlight shut the fuck up in caps (which I did not at the time, I might point out), that it will seem you were some poor beaten up upon victim by my telling you to kindly STFU. Get over it - honestly, after putting up with your rantings ad nasueum, in the midst of an IM conversation, I did ultimately tell you to shut the fuck up, and make no apologies for it. You would certainly know all about a special kind of nerve and nastiness - you have attacked, criticized and provoked over and over again in these forums, and for what?

You are so unbelievably arrogant that you think you are leaving some kind of important public record that anyone will ever give a shit about. All you do is talk and talk and talk and talk, and honestly, what change do you bring about? It is very easy to criticize, but what do you Prokofy do to make Second Life any better? It seems not a single fucking thing about it ever pleases you. Put forth your efforts to affect change instead of just criticizing with that non-stop bottomless pit of a mouth of yours. That would be the important public record, not your laughable War and Peace length manifestos on hot button issue of the moment.

From a previous thread, directed at me by Prokofy Neva:

Excuse me, Cristiano, but could we settle this very simply? Give me permission to publisht the notecard of our conversation last night here in the forums, with your consent (which is allowed as I understand) and you'll see, as will everyone else, that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS IS FALSE. Honestly, I have to figure you hve like 8 million Ims and phone calls and pagers going every minute and are distracted and haven't READ what is in your IMs with me.

Your claim that I said that Nolan published my name is actually false -- there it is in the transcript. What's evident is that it is your assumption, but it's not my answer and you don't pay attention to what I'm saying because the stuff is scrolling by and you don't want to bother.

Your claim that I demeaned you in the middle of the conversation holds no water absolutely.

You started this wrangle about the land list, but it's an unsupportable position you're taking and I'm here to point that out to you.

I think I am doing something important. If you don't, and you find it aggravating or ridiculous, then fine, move on, or take your swipe like everyone else. Sooner or later, you stop holding the cloak for everyone throwing stones, and you have your revelation...or you don't.

I do an incredible amount in this game that you just have no idea of. I actually don't toot my own horn about this. But I'm not interested in trying to prove something to you. I'm sending you the conversation, so you can get off your high horse.

I admire Prokofy. It's just not anyone who can gnaw through a straight-jacket strap, climb out of a two-story window, and dodge half-a-dozen butterfly nets just to join us here in SL every night. Kudos to you Prokofy. Kudos.

~Ulrika~

Maybe you're different, but be aware from now on: Many of us find being called "an idiot" is very insulting, and hardly mild.

holy crap. i've been avoiding this plague like the thread... I mean ... .... ... no, I'll stand by that original wording... but a little bird told me to check out some of ulrika's posts...

this one took me a second to register then i was almost on the floor.

too *freakin* funny

Agreed - but, then again, YOU brought it here for us all to slice up and devour. MMMmm.

Odd twist of fate when you're the one who starts the thread that later provides some of your RL information for all to see. Ouch.

Your title serves you well, Cognative Dissonance Boy. Regardless the futility, once more I will explain:

- I could not possibly care less who Prok is,
- I could not possibly care less what Prok does,
- I could not possibly care less who likes Prok,
- I could not possibly care less who dislikes Prok,
- I am sick and tired of watching Prok do everything but scream, "PAY ATTENTION TO ME PLEASE OH GOD OR I CANNOT FUNCTION!"
- I am sick and tired of watching those who dislike Prok scream, "YOU F-ING IDIOT, IF YOU WEREN'T SCREAMING 'PAY ATTENTION TO ME' ALL THE TIME, NO ONE WOULD BE BOTHERING YOU!"
- I am sick and tired of watching those who like Prok scream, "YOU F-ING IDIOT, PROK HAS JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO POST AS YOU DO SO STFU!"

Now then... if you can manage to actually absorb the above, consider that I support wholeheartedly the notion that LL should ENFORCE THEIR F-ING TOS.

Consider also that I introduced the idea that, were Prok truly feeling violated over this, there is more at their disposal than BEING AN F-ING DRAMA QUEEN here.

I do not CARE that it was PROK this happened to, idiot. I care THAT IT HAPPENED.

The difference between those two is why I find myself tending toward just ignoring fools like Prok, who cannot learn how their behavior drives much of the misery they experience here... and fools like you, who would be like Prok but for an inability to take the heat, so you instead cheer from the sidelines like some f-ing chihuahua hoping for a biscuit.

Bah.

And yet you've just undermined your point by "blaming the victim" by saying "their behaviour drives much of the misery they experience here".

I sharply criticized the privileged elite in this game, a necessary task of dissent in any liberal democratic society. I wasn't the first, nor the last, merely the most verbose.

I have a few people on my side who at least admire my spirit even if they don't agree with me or don't like my delivery style. I have most people hating me and using me as a target, whipping boy, scapegoat, etc. to vent much of their own misery that occurs in their game.

I was targeted for a disclosure of my privacy outside the TOS rules precisely because that method was used as a form of blackmail to shut me up. It's unlikely I would have become a target if I did shut up, long ago, when that individual tried to get me to shut up, or if I had never spoken at all.

Invasions of privacy tend to happen to people who have made themselves public because people who are angry at their position want to find a way to get at them. They use disclosure as a weapon. Other invasions of privacy happen in fights between individuals where one person uses disclosure to gain power over another. The whole reason why I could become a target for this particular violation of the TOS is because I became a public figure.

The TOS rules about disclosures have to apply to public figures in SL, too. Public figures in SL still get to have private RL free of harassment from deranged strangers in a game.

You're just still not getting it. Civil rights have to be applied even to people you find odious, with lifestyles you may not chose for yourself in a liberal democratic society. TOS rules have to apply to everyone equally, including loudmouths who you think have so set themselves up with a target painted on their backs that they "get what they deserve".

A Linden gave someone a wrist-slap over this violation. I refused to accept that lying down and pushed it, and when more facts were gathered, we got a crystal clear interpretation of the TOS, the likes of which I'd welcome in many other gray areas (like the use of bounce scripts which are really weapons). In a common-law system like the United States, where our game is housed, it is Supreme Court rulings on the law that form the landmark cases that create the law on the land, unlike the civil-law systems that have an elaborate, static law that is applied and reapplied to each instance. We now have a landmark interpretation of the TOS which anyone in our "common-law" SL can invoke in their own case -- it's the precedent system.

Instead of celebrating that hard-won victory, which benefits all of us, it's important to you to continue to demean me personally. In fact, using the RL information, a number of people right in this thread are continuing to demean me with drawings and cartoons and sly comments.

One of the reasons I could speak out in this game about really severe obstacles I see to the growth and success of this metaverse in the form of the attitudes of a few celebrated older players is precisely because I took it for granted I had immunity from damage in my RL, damage that would cost me a job, harm my family, or actually open me up to physical threats.

I no longer have that immunity because any or all of you can now look me up and come after me in the nastiest ways imaginable, and were I to call the police, they would merely record it, but be unable to do anything because obviously I can't demand that the person who abused me now yield up their privacy. Nor can I expect Linden Labs to provide any kind of RL protection because they are merely a game company, a kind of private club not much responsible for the actions of a single patron who paid admission to their club. If I were to press this in some kind of obsessive way with anybody, hiring "cyberlawers" blah blah, I would most likely find myself getting the "any reason or no reason" clause invoked upon me to terminate my account. No thanks.

But guess what. I am not deterred. I am going to continue to speak out.

The reason I called this YOUR RL PRIVATE INFORMATION and not MY RL PRIVATE INFORMATION is because I wanted you to understand that *it could happen to you*.

You must be really bored. How do you have time to do this all day? You post more than you're in world.


Panda.. it's TEE SHIRT TIME! Haven't seen one for at least a few pages.

It so happened that the last two weeks I had to stay at home, but I couldn't always get the game loaded. God forbid when Prokofy's schedule change to be at home, look out! But it also happened that some important issues developed that really required some major interventions, so I made the time, sometimes losing sleep!

Next week I'll be quite busy so you can go back peacefully to making your handbags and not keep a weather eye on the forums to pounce on my every post. Take a break, Ingrid!

You bring it on yourself, griever.

I find this really amusing. In the very beginning of the thread you swore up and down that this was about the bigger issue of privacy invasion, yet when the thread moved from your specific case to the broader issues you had nothing to say. In fact you seemed to get upset that it wasn't all about you. "No! Me! Me! All Me! Yes, but what about ME?!" Pfft. Get over it already.

Expecting sympathy is pathetic. Rather than file his AR, and patiently wait for the result. Prokofy has to make a BFD of it, by airing every detail, plus more. Then to further piss everyone off by calling them "idiots", garners little support. Such are the actions of a griever, which are to impose ones twisted views of the world on to others.

It's odd, Chip and Weedy, that you continue to willfully and maliciously mispresent my first post in response to Pathfinder's long-winded (long for a Linden) reply to those questioning his wrist slap.

What happened is that he gave a wrist-slap. I was appalled, and so were others.

He didn't have all the information in from of him when he did that, and not all the relevant Lindens had all the information in front of them, and when they did, they acted so as to make a crystal-clear commentary on the TOS.

What happened, in the history of this thread, is that when people were outraged at that little wrist-slap, myself first and foremost, Pathfinder didn't react by giving a more crystal-clear pronunciation either on the TOS or the specifics of my case. I marvelled at that, that he was willing to turn this into a college seminar about larger issues why blatantly failing to act on a TOS violation. That made me return his bear.

Instead, he started a more generic discussion, "oh, isn't this interesting for the whole community on the larger issues". And that incensed me, because it a) stepped right over the failure of LL to act on my case and b) stepped right over the lack of a crystal-clear interpretation of the TOS which benefits all of us, and LL too.

So to respond to that personal and public problem there, I took Pathfinder's remarks, and interpolated into them in forum-response style a response on every single one of my *specific issues* so it would be crystal-clear what the *larger* issues were: THE FAILURE OF LL TO MAKE A CRYSTALINE INTERPRETATION OF THE TOS ABOUT GAME PROFILES ONLY AS A DETERMINANT OF PRIVACY.

I wanted to make sure to PREEMPT the jackals and junk-yard dogs who tried to portray me as a witless ninny who put all their RL info on their profiles or linked to my profiles when I did NOT (and now with this crystaline TOS interpretation we are reassured that even if you have a blog somewhere that links three-steps-removed to a blog on your profile, that is NOT fair game for someone to introduce into the game and destroy your privacy).

Pathfinder and others at first made it seem like if you put something on your profile or link something on your profile, that you are "guilty" -- and by putting that statement up there FIRST, they unwittingly set the stage to say to the community WHEN YOU PUT LINKS ON YOUR PROFILE YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP TO PRIVACY INVASIONS AND THAT MUST BE WHAT PROK DID SO LET'S DISCUSS THE LARGER ISSUES HERE.

Numerous people stepped forward and claimed falsely that both my profile, and my linked blog, contained vital personal information that in fact I had yielded up to public scrutiny.

Nothing could be further from the truth because I did NOT. OBVIOUSLY I HAD TO REFUTE THAT FALSEHOOD.

I had to press the points of my case further to make sure that Pathfinder's belief or implied projection that I *had* done that, and the community's malicious and mistaken belief that I *had* done that got put to rest IMMEDIATELY and that he grappled with the LARGER ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT MATERIAL OUTSIDE THE GAME, NOT ON THE PROFILE, IF IT WAS ON THE INTERNET, WAS FAIR GAME TO DESTROY PRIVACY. AND THE ANSWER IS NO, IT IS NOT.

That isn't a failure to "see the larger issues". That is an insistence before we all move on to have a big group-grope public discussion on the larger issues that somebody hasn't stepped on the blatant fact that lies and misrepresentations had been put out to make it seem like the Linden interpretation of the TOS was *not going to apply to me* and that while we're all moving on to "larger issues" here we get a reading on precisely this assumption by the community, that any an all material I put on the Internet is fair game for them to introduce into SL merely because it is on the Internet.

SO I hollered and pointed out the facts. Pathfinder read them all. Then he came back and put up the simple, crystal-clear statement: PRIVACY MEANS NOT REVEALING ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS ON THE PROFILE IN THE GAME.

Got it?

So honestly, I *have* taken on the larger issues here, and I have *rightfully* applied them to myself.

Indeed, my willingness to be a scapegoat on the forums over this issue is *precisely* what enabled this "community" (if you want to call jackals and junk-yard dogs a community) to now be *benefited* by a crystal-clear read-out on the forums.

Yes, I will go on calling "idiots" anyone who accuses me of somehow being stupid enough not to see what Pathfinders' original "larger issues" post was about and the "community"s desire to "move on to larger issues". Duh. I got that bit. I chose to continue to point out that the *move to larger issues was too hasty when they had not made their TOS interpretation crystalline yet.*

Got it?

And I will go on calling the people who keep nipping and biting and howling at me over this as the jackals and junk-yard dogs that they wish to behave as.

I get it just fine Prok. Me! Me! Me! All Me! But just in case why don't you rehash it 47 more times.

Is this fellow still waving arms and yelping to pay attention to him? Yes, I see he is... let me guess (since I no longer see his posts)... something along the lines that it isn't about him, but the horrible thing that happened to him and he's just such a wonderful person that he is willing to martyr himself on behalf of the world so it never happens to anyone else. Add to this a bit of the old song and dance about how he's the underdog champion of the downtrodden and oh yeah, power to the people or somesuch.

That 'bout got it? I'm betting so.

There is little as disgusting of human behavior than to watch someone use an event to their own ends. This person had my sympathy when his land was signed. He had my sympathy when Mr. Nolan outed his information.

He has my sympathy no longer.

Not because I dislike him, not because he doesn't deserve sympathy... he obviously does, but not for the terrible things that may or may not happen to him. He deserves sympathy, nay, pity even, for being so completely incapable of grasping that his own use of these circumstances to garner public support for himself and shore up his popularity reveals him as less interested in all the 'injustices' he claims to be fighting for and by far, more interested in keeping himself in the center of attention and drama as long as he can manage it.

This is not the work of someone interested in betterment of community. This is someone interested in using flaws within a community to prop up his own flagging sense of worth and he is using everyone who in any manner grants credence to the issues in the most dispicable way one human can use another -- to raise himself on the wave of that support.

This manner of person is the same who would readily see put to the stake any who dare disagree with him, meanwhile telling anyone who will listen that no one should ever have to endure the stake.

This manner of person is the same who would eagerly condemn others, but is full of excuses and reasons and all too ready to point fingers anywhere but at himself when he's observed adding fuel to the flames.

This manner of person is the same who enjoys writhing in public just because it means someone is looking at him.

No, Prokfy Neva -- you don't get it. You will never get it. But your quality is well and truly known here. Every tirade you post is but your own denial of your inability to be other than what you are -- a martyr seeking a cause, any cause will do.

This just happens to be one you got a little more mileage out of than usual.

How utterly pathetic.

Idiotic

Hmm...kinda like the time YOU were griefed, and sat quietly, and um...*cough* didn't air on the forums...I dunno.