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Land Extortion part 3 1/2 or the pathetic story of an alt

MrsJakal Suavage
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02-14-2005 07:22
From: Wall Street
I'm abusing no one. I'm within the TOS.



How do you come to this conclusion?
Charlotte Gillespie
2 - 0 Lindens
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02-14-2005 07:26
From: MrsJakal Suavage
o.k. i believe they were there because talen admitted it lol..but still if you had wall streets build next to your home would you keep quiet?


Probably not. But then I don't build much anyway :)
Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
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02-14-2005 07:27
From: MrsJakal Suavage
How do you come to this conclusion?

I am free to build what I chose on my own land. There are NO ZONING restrictions in SL. (as of yet)
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MrsJakal Suavage
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02-14-2005 07:30
From: Wall Street
I am free to build what I chose on my own land. There are NO ZONING restrictions in SL. (as of yet)



This is not true! Where is the damn TOS....grrrr, I can't find it but I know that being completely free to build whatever you want can't be true!! I'm sure that building a Big huge penis on a pg land would be against TOS!
Charlotte Gillespie
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02-14-2005 07:31
Anna Engel
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02-14-2005 07:33
From: Anshe Chung
Damn it. I set this 16sqm parcel for sale at 99 L$ last night and thought I would make neighbour happy and now such one idiot goes there, buy it and grief :-(

Next time I will set for sale to neighbour only.


EXACTLY the same happend with a 48 sqm excess parcel I set up for sale in Yora. The little asshat (poor thing, need attention?) built his crap on it and tried to sell it at 4 times as much as he bought it for. What a pathetic little loser.
Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
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02-14-2005 07:34
From: MrsJakal Suavage
This is not true! Where is the damn TOS....grrrr, I can't find it but I know that being completely free to build whatever you want can't be true!! I'm sure that building a Big huge penis on a pg land would be against TOS!


Yes, good point. Fortunately, I have not build that. I have built things that are in accordance with the TOS.

It just so happens some people do not like what I build... but that's tough. Each person has his/her own distinct tastes.
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Talen Morgan
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Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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02-14-2005 07:38
From: Wall Street
Yes, good point. Fortunately, I have not build that. I have built things that are in accordance with the TOS.

It just so happens some people do not like what I build... but that's tough. Each person has his/her own distinct tastes.



So you have proof that you contacted Grimmy Moonflower and he gave his permission to use his likeness? Using someones likeness without their prior consent is against the TOS dumbass....try again
Shiryu Musashi
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02-14-2005 07:40
From: Talen Morgan
OMG someone built something on their own land.....how dare they :eek:


This is what you said in the last thread on the subject Talen, and even if this case is much more blatant, it still applies. Maybe now you understand why i wrote that post, not out of a whim to personally attack an individual, but just out of concern for this kind of extortion becoming a common twisted "marketing" tactic.
Unfortunately now Wall Street can bring up exactly the same excuse you and the other defenders of "freedom of expression" brought up in the earlier thread.

Anyway back to being serious, i still think the lindens should do something about this kind of extortion, unless they want SL to become a far west in wich some ruthless individuals can hold the rest of the population hostage in an attempt to inflate their so called "business"
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02-14-2005 07:40
He created the signs/posters for general use. He distributed them himself. To support his cause.

So yes, I have permission.
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Wall Street
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02-14-2005 07:43
If anyone can show me the specific passage of the TOS I am violating, I will happily deconstruct my museum.

Short of that, I am free to build as I please.
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Talen Morgan
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02-14-2005 07:44
From: Shiryu Musashi
This is what you said in the last thread on the subject Talen, and even if this case is much more blatant, it still applies. Maybe now you understand why i wrote that post, not out of a whim to personally attack an individual, but just out of concern for this kind of extortion becoming a common twiested "marketing" tactic.
Unfortunately now Wall Street can bring up exactly the same excuse you and the other defenders of "freedom of expression" brought up in the earlier thread.

Anyway back to being serious, i still think the lindens should do something about this kind of extortion, unless they want SL to become a far west in wich some ruthless individuals can hold the rest of the population hostage in an attempt to inflate their so called "business"


The person you cited in the previous post actually built something...if alby...err I mean dumbass had built a smokestack I wouldn't have cared. The person you were after was selling his land but at a normal price ...he wasn't looking to grief people into buying the land.

Dumbass street here has gone to the extreme to try and get his neighbors to buy the land...16m2 fir $599 is not a reasonable price and posting pictures of Grimmy Moonflower explains his intent quite nicely...if he actually uses the 16m2 to build something other than spinning cubes with grimmy I would give a shit less.
Talen Morgan
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02-14-2005 07:45
From: Wall Street
He created the signs/posters for general use. He distributed them himself. To support his cause.

So yes, I have permission.



So he didn't give you explicit permission...just because someone has an image out there doesn't give you the right to use it as you see fit.
Wall Street
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02-14-2005 07:45
More personal attacks and abuse. Don't be surprised if the one that gets banned from SL is YOU.
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Charlotte Gillespie
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02-14-2005 07:46
Streetboy, stop acting the twat.

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Talen Morgan
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02-14-2005 07:47
From: Wall Street
More personal attacks and abuse. Don't be surprised if the one that gets banned from SL is YOU.



I see no personal abuse....would you rather me be more politically correct and just refer to you as *edited*? :D
Shiryu Musashi
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02-14-2005 07:51
From: Talen Morgan
The person you cited in the previous post actually built something...if alby...err I mean dumbass had built a smokestack I wouldn't have cared. The person you were after was selling his land but at a normal price ...he wasn't looking to grief people into buying the land.


My point is that with the current rules everyone can build WHATEVER he wants on his land, including what Al... ahem Wall Street built, and put it for sale for whatever price he wants.
His intent unfortunately doesn't matter, even if you were able to proof his extortion intention beyond any possible doubt. As of now the rules do not protect residents in ANY way against this kind of land griefing.
This is why i think rules should be changed to prevent this. Just my two cent anyway.
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Chip Midnight
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02-14-2005 07:56
If Wall Street is trying to get everyone's goat which seems very likely, why give him exactly what he's looking for? Dragging this to the forums every time simply encourages people to do this. Just ignore it and most likely it will go away before long. Notify a Linden. If it's violating TOS it will get deleted. If it's not then starting a thread about it is only going to make it stay there longer. If he's truly out to grief then this thread is giving him exactly what he wants. Someone please start teaching a psychology 101 class! :p
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Wall Street
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02-14-2005 07:58
No, what I want is to have a successful museum.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-14-2005 08:00
You mighta' missed this section in your oh-so-careful readthrough of the ToS, Alby... errr... Shepp... Errr... Wall...

(iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

In other words, if the Lindens decide that the true intent of your build is harrassing, they can remove it and ban you and be completely within the bounds of the terms of service, and no amount of claims it was a museum can shelter you.
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Wall Street
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02-14-2005 08:02
Nope. Haven't done any of those. I'm within the TOS.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-14-2005 08:05
From: Wall Street
Nope. Haven't done any of those. I'm within the TOS.


Whether you have or have not done any of those is not up to you to decide, though. That's the great part.
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02-14-2005 08:06
Self Government, anyone?
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Talen Morgan
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02-14-2005 08:08
From: Chip Midnight
If Wall Street is trying to get everyone's goat which seems very likely, why give him exactly what he's looking for? Dragging this to the forums every time simply encourages people to do this. Just ignore it and most likely it will go away before long. Notify a Linden. If it's violating TOS it will get deleted. If it's not then starting a thread about it is only going to make it stay there longer. If he's truly out to grief then this thread is giving him exactly what he wants. Someone please start teaching a psychology 101 class! :p



I agree with you Chip but this case is a little different. He wants to be Grimmy so it seems but what he doesn't realize that the more attention he gets will get him closer to being banned. He deserves all the attention he can get at this point ....the more complaints just puts another Al...err alt through the door.
Shadow Weaver
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02-14-2005 08:08
I agree with Chip once again he is sorta reading my mind however, my other post was in sarcasm to everyone saying Wall is gonna be banned.

Unfortunately he may be on the aspect prior to 1.2 there was a clause in the TOS about Checkerboarding and this falls within those parameters as it was a 16 meter plot.

However, as Chip mentioned bringing this to the forums is an issue that gives attention to the one doing what ever it may be.

To be honest Wall is prolly at home LHAO at this whole thing knowing it riles people.

SL has to Have its Token Griefer and sometimes you just have to take things with a grain of salt and go on. Drama really has never Benifited anyone other than to illicit emotions which drive up carnal instincts from time to time.

So in simple terms, abide by the TOS if he is violating it abuse report him. If its a violation of the Checkerboarding thing slam him on that aspect. Otherwise its slowly becomming moot to really debate anything on the forums as to many people get emotionaly involved which never helps in trying to get anything solved.

Sincerely, Shadow.
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