Public Reply to Anshe Chung

*eats popcorn*

I would suggest that it be a free event....we may be seeing what is to become the dispute resolution system that LL is looking for.

so it realy never was a joke. Interesting business girl tactics you got going on there sir. Might i suggest that you treat everyone as a potential client if you want to succeed in sl. by the way your making enemies I figure you will be out of business by the new year.

"the customer is always right"

I can't believe this is going on again!!! What happened to muting???

Let it go people and learn to live with it.

This method of trying to press her into a corner and battering her with attacks is just going to backfire - it always does. It translates into whining and bullying.

I don't care anymore to try to get along with everyone here. I try to adhere to good principles - and I guess I expect others to do the same or to just not measure up.

This is annoying. I don't have sympathy anymore for anyone whining about the big mean ole Anshe. Lord. Its just silly.

Naked arm wrestling three way anyone ??

It's gettin hot in here!!!

Wrestle naked in mud, matter fact I'll reserve a Saturday at the Clevelander in south Beach for ya!!!!

OK ladies, uh ehm... "LADIES", thank you. Now this is just a little objectivity and observation.

Let me start with, I do not personally know any of the parties involved, strickly 3rd party observer. Oh yeah, I do love you all btw

Observation:

This thread was started by Eddie Vogel, yes?!

Anshe Chung has responded "civilly" to his claims.

Since Ms. Chungs response I have yet to see a counter-counter argument from the individual who started this thread?

There is an apparent dispute between Ms. Chung and one Cathrine Cotton. The particulars that lead up to this dispute are unknown to me.

There was an appearant joke from Ms. Chung banning Ms Cotton from her property.

This "joke" seems to be ongoing and is preventing Ms. Cotton from freely moving from a teleport directly to the property that she is paying money for to maintain.

There is a claim by a Pandastrong Fairplay (sorry Mr/Ms? i'm going to say Ms, but please forgive me if I'm wrong, technicality really) of recieving unfair or unjust treatment from Ms. Chung as well.

Do I have this factually correct so far? Now it appears thier is no attempt being given here at finding a resolution, turning into a mud slinging, finger flicking flamefest.

In the intrest of seeing things resolved peacefully, and like the... eh hem.. ADULTS that we are , are there any "civil" solution that could possible appease all sides? Maybe not?!

Maybe try this Ladies.

Don't know why Ms Chung banned Ms Cotton, even in supossed jest, which apears to be more than a joke, you are impeeding her movement in SL for which she has paid money for, and yes this is your right to do so. In the intrest of civillity is it feasable for you to lift the ban on Ms. Cotton, allowing her direct access to her property, and if she so interferes with your endeavors could you not just ban her again?

As for Ms. Fairplay, since I am totally unaware, and it has not been made clear here, what her dispute is with Ms Chung, I can offer no possible solution for you two to rectify this situation.

As for Mr. Vogul, one still awaits for his response to Ms. Chungs counter arguments. (This does not speak well for anyone, not a dig at Mr. Vogul but anyone, whom would bring up something and not participate pro or con in the rebutle)

For one reason or another there my be no solution between these parties and it saddens me to think we can't work through something like this as civilized SLers

Just a little effort and comprimise, a touch of wisdom and maturity, and I'm sure we can ALL work together in what may resemble harmony, even if it's just on the surface.

Oh yeah, feel free to tell me to "butt out and mind your own damn business!!!!
*shall return under rock from whence he slithered*

Love, Peace, and Hairgrease!

Mr...

Anshe,

<<Sorry, but it is one of my principles that I don't give in to pressure and disrespectful behaviour.>>

Well then; you confirm other people's view of you, which is IMO a shame.

All I did was neg rate her stupid for sale signs big whoop. Usualy anything said in the forums stays in the forums. A resolution? That would be nice.

I must however also add that this is a side affect of land barons. They have the potential to ban whom ever they want from all their owned land. Now if LL decides that this is "ok" then I too understand that Anshe just directly cost them the US$ I paid for the land over 300 plus the monthly cost, income for them of $125 per month. If nothing else I hope they realize how letting land barons run their businesses this way can potentialy cost them revenue.

Its not a threat of leaving its stating what happens when a good idea of land baroning goes bad for their bottom line.

Cat

Selador - I don't understand why you think, apparently, that it is a 'bad' thing to not give in to pressure and negative behavior???? Huh? How is that translated into 'a shame'? I think that sticking to one's principles in spite of peer pressure and negative behavior is, in fact, an admirable thing. Sorry , but where are you coming from?

Banning someone from land has absolutely nothing to do with land baroning. Anyone can do it at any time with any amount of land.

Please accept my sincerest apologies for the "gender bending" I think I saw someone call Chung Mr., I still have no idea, but dat ain't da point.

But please give some thought to my previous thread.

Like I said I don't personally know anyone involved, just observing.

Thanks Willow Always they lady spreading her love, give em a pep talk hun, help me out

Anshe,

If its true that you banned Catherine access from her land by banning her from your land which surrounds hers, then not only is this against TOS but that is just mean. What the hell can Cat possibly do to your land. Also, I know it is your land but all you intend to do is sell it anyways, its not like you live on it or planning to build. I usually don't listen to all the "Anshe Bashing" but now this takes the cake. Cat is a great builder and contributes to the SL community. I can see you banning a greifer but banning someone from all your land because you were neg rated is lame. Go ahead and bann me too, cause i don't care to be on any of your land after this.

Sincerely Dissapointed!
MJ

And this folks, is the E Ticket ride you paid for !!
/clap

Not trying to put words in another's mouth, but sticking to your principles when you are right is admirable. Those who hold to their "principles" when pretty broadly sanctioned are usually viewed as sociopathic in real life. This is how people learn social norms and why embarassment is such a strong emotion: violating local norms can be quite a social liability.

Yes, one may certainly dance to the beat of a wildly different drummer, you just shouldn't expect many waltz invitations.

Talen you missed my point. If a land barron owns 10 sims worth of land as some do now. They can ban a single player from all that land. Do you think that player is going to feel welcome in SL, comfortable? Or do you think they will feel restricted? I think they would feel restricted. Now if you were resticted from all the land surrounding your land by a land barron would you keep your land? would you move to where they were not? or would you just sell it off and become a nomad?

I have to be honest when I say if I am restricted from ALL the land around me I would think twice about buying more land. I also would consider no land. That downsizing becuase of a land baron directly affects LL's bottom line.

Maybe my money doesnt matter, lets take me out of the equastion. Look at the big picture, a player neg rates a sign of a land barron that person is banned at least 2 sims today. That land surrounds thier proprety. This is how the land barron feels, they dont like the neg rate so they ban joe avatar. Now what affect would that have on the L$ if say that land barron felt that way about 10 ppl? why stop there. At some point those types of actions by those with the most amount of land and the most power will start to affect LL bottom line. I hope I have been very clear.

Again my money is a drop in the bucket they wont miss it. Now what happens if this is common practice? Seriously I think to use power like that for what ever reason is wrong.

"the joke" was when i stated it would be funny to ban someone from 15 sims worth of land in the forum. I msg'd catherine that it was a joke because i realized she had proactively banned me, anshe, and a few other from half of the sim where i unfortunately had have to be neighbours to her.

when anshe took ownership of the other large portion of the sim and banned catherine, catherine removed anshe from her ban list and now plays the victim (unfortunately i don't have the same leverage as anshe!). very similar to playing victim after getting reprimanded for starting a flame war for absolutely no reason in the economy forum on a thread musing on possible exploits of alt accounts.

i give catherine five stars for her beautiful reconstruction of events and succesfully playing the wounded victim off the ignorance of the forum once again.

*****

Cat why don't you post what you think would be a reasonable solution to this situation.

Appears noone cares what I say, or in finding a solution for that matter.

If you ladies and gentlemen are just here to griep at each other please let me know. Sure it's amussing to those not directly effected, but I would much rather see this thing worked out than blown to an irreconcillable shit storm that will benifit noone.

Some one let me know and I will amscray!!!!!

There seems to be a big workaround to this that anyone would use - set it as HOME and ya don't have to go across anyone's land.

This is just the kind of response that does nothing to 'help' this situation. I would advise you to go inworld as I did and check out what exactly is going on.

There is something new on the landscape - this will not help the cause to bring about peace...which is OBVIOUSLY not what is desired here.

That is an AWESOME answer anshe! Are you a lawyer in real life?

Seriously Malachi - you just mad me smile and laugh! TY. But I am not sure that a norm has been established here. If it has, then I may be viewed as 'sociopathic' also - thank you very much!

God's.

I am still in awe I must say.

Nobody cares about Mr. Vogel who is sitting there laughing and eating popcorn. People don't care how since 4 months he is taking revenge against one resident for being prevented from stealing newbie land. Nobody seem to care how he still goes on with this and how the stories many people were upset about in the first place have turned out to be lies and rumors spread by one bug exploiter.

People obviously don't really care about what is good business practise and what is bad business practise.

Instead, we see how this thread has been turned into yet another Anshe-bashing flame fest. The crime? Oh yes! Terrible! Anshe has banned two residents from some piece of land she owns! This mean, now they have to fly 20m up before they cross about this land to reach their own land. Griefing! Griefing! Griefing! Anshe Chung is forcing people to press fly-up button! Of course she has done this totally unprovoked. No, there was no tripple neg rating, forum flames or personal insults sent to her via IM. And of course it does not matter that there are already several threads about same topic already. It just seem there can never be enough Anshe-bashing. And distracting from the real scandal contained in this thread seems one great plan, right?

I am sorry to say this and please don't take it personal. But this thread did not exactly help me develop respect for a number of people involved in it.

Special, like the little dig you put in there for affect as well. I am discussing a real issue here as usual. Why are you stepping into this Janani? Is it because you too are a land baron? I think so.

I have been against land barons because of the potential of abuse of power. All you and Anshe have done today is make my very valid fear a reality.

So now I have 2 land barons to deal with? You going to ban me from your land also? Go for it Sir seems to be the fad with your all powerful group today.

Who's next on your hit list? When does this abuse of power start to affect the LL bottom line?

Im not sure what all the fuss is..can you go over this from the beginning? lol.