Pathfinder's New Sticky

FYI, I have added something to my sticky.

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I saw this too, I especially hated reading the words about Robin. I'm not sure I've read anything so mean here ever.

Pandarati

And this time, he's not using condiments!







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What?

Ack..I'm doomed!

I think that at the moment when you enter the general section of the forum, there should be a popup of some kind with : WARNING YOU ARE ENTERING A DRAMA ZONE !!

Don't forget the Land & Economy section. It's become a cesspool now that one person has turned into their own personal blog to promote conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.

Who is that?

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I personally think moderators should moderate. If someone is being a jackass on the forums, remove their posts/threads and push them out for a few days. If they repeat, ban 'em.

We all get miffed once in a while, but there's no excuse to being a complete asshat and targeting someone. The rules should be clear and concise.

ie: you will be banned for being a jerk at our discretion.

And it's not like being a jerk is a gray area. There's being snide, sarcastic, or unresponsive... then there's being a jerk. There's discussing something someone says and there's insulting them for it. It's clear, cut, and simple.

You jerk -- you go.

Maybe you will have to do it JUST THE SAME DAMN WAY I DID, Panda. You may or may not recall the repeated accusations I underwent of being someone's alt the minute I got on this forum. Repeated dismissals of my entire self and all my ideas, on the untrue basis and accusation that I was an alt.

If you ask me, that's a LOT worse than to be named in some large group of older players, if indeed you were.

But I didn't notice just a whole lot of people jumping up and down about the unfairness of all that being done to ME. Nobody's comments got deleted, and no thread was removed, when it came to accusing me of being someone else. That was okay, remember?

So I was left by myself to do it the hard way. At one point, I even BEGGED Pathfinder to please come on here and assure people I was not that other person. I was only saved when Ingrid came along and assured everyone that I was actually a person in my own right.

So I would suggest that people just suck it up, like I had to do, and live with the trauma of having had themselves at one point identified as a member of some group (which is a compliment, actually, if you think about it), and work like hell like I did to get people to think otherwise, if you want them to think otherwise.

Being identified by some with some FIC group which is no more and no less, really, than pointing out the leaders of the game and the well-known players, and/or the older players, and thus shouldn't be any kind of threat to anybody. We had an FIC in TSO, still do. I was in it. It is a fact of practically every organization in life, and something that people need to be aware of, so that every person has a chance. That is what *I* believe. (In the now dead thread with our little profiles in it, for "FIC Join Date," I put: "I was in it when I came IN; haven't you all figured that out yet?" lol)

So, you know, cry me a river, folks. If you want to really feel bad, and feel put upon, then go through the hazing I did. Let's see how well you survive THAT.

I, too, am against censorship whenever possible. On the other hand, I think we can consider ourselves lucky to have Pathfinder. Yes, he is human, but he's probably about as good as they get. His unfortunate job consists of trying to get this whole battle to go away. Unfortunately, perfectly good CONCEPTS are going to get muzzled as a result, because some of you take these perfectly good concepts entirely too personally.

Being Pathfinder is like being an umpire. No matter who the umpire is, you're bound to disagree with some of his decisions, and maybe always be thinking he's on the other guy's side. The only real question is, is he a good and fair-minded umpire? If the answer is yes, then just SUCK UP any decisions you think are bad. And in the case of Pathfinder, I think the answer is yes, he is a good and fair-minded umpire.

coco

P.S. I couldn't respond to the definition of "speculator," Nolan, cause I had to get offline. But I can sort of remember what you said, and I will think about it and respond later somewhere.

I just created this thread to bother Prokofy.

I really don't take arguing with faceless people over the Internet too seriously.

Sorry you went through such an ordeal though!

Um, I'm thinking that that's the kind of behaviour Pathfinder is talking about, and getting moderators' tools up to speed to deal with.

I personally don't start threads just about one person because it is against the TOS.

But did it bother you? That last post was a case-study that we will be discussing at our FIC meeting tonight. Please answer truthfully, it is important evidence! Did this thread bother you? Get you all hot around the collar?

Oh, and in-case you didn't see the little winky emoticon inflecting sarcasm, I will throw some more at you.

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Well darn, SL is borked now. I wanted to visit the FIC meeting tonight.

Oh by the way.

Does anyone have a link to the thread where FIC was first mentioned? It is a piece of SL history.

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It's alot like sour milk, you know it's bad, but before you throw it away, you still smell it.

Here here Coco. I too have been mobbed a few times here, and its not pleasant.
The sharks smell blood, best thing is not to bleed.

Hey, Weedy, thanks for making that helpful compilation of my posts.

They aren't threads about "one person".

They are threads that deal with *the larger issues*. While one person might be named, they aren't a personal attack on that person, but a discussion of behaviour that exemplifies the larger issue.

Have you ever heard of the concept of "public figure"? In most democratic countries, public figures are exempt from notions of slander or libel suits. That means they have less protection than others precisely because they are public figures.

Less democratic countries, however, make slander of a public official or a representative of the state sometimes even a worse offense than slandering an individual.

What's operative here isn't the issue of slander, but the issue of protected speech and non-protected speech and the concept of "public figures" in free-speech law.

When you write a thread title: "Dear Philip: How to Preserve Land Without Socialism," you are writing to a public figure, the CEO of a company, the representative of a company. You aren't writing to some private person. And furthermore, a letter like that isn't even an attack.

When you write a thread like "Purple Cube" or "White Box of Death" you are writing to public figures who chose to mount a huge public building and make a public act in a sim, and do public things in public chat history, you're not writing to some private individual about a private matter.

"Your Real-Life Personal Information" is about a generic problem of people who maliciously disclose your RL information or spread falsehoods about you, and no names are mentioned in this original opening in the thread.

A post about "officer recall in Ravenglass" also is a report on a public act by an individual who attacked more than a hundred people in a rentals group when he paralyzed the group's activities, an act seen by all those more than 100 people and more. Again, it's not some private matter involving a personal attack, it's a report of a very public act.

I'm glad we had this little chat, Weedy, since I'm sure I've helped you to understand the difference between public and private *so much better*.

I think it's useful to understand these distinctions. I know the Lindens understand them. That's why they haven't closed those threads when I started them -- they were about public matters and generic issues that are real problems in the game.

If any of those threads got closed, it's due to persons like yourself who make the kind of really vicious, nasty, and personl attacks one often sees go unchecked in these forums, like:

-- your malicious and false accusation that I have no life, no jobs, and that I'm mentally ill -- the actual nasty post that triggered Pathfinder's resolve to act and close the thread -- and you're well aware of that, as we all are

My favorite public figure is [NAME REMOVED].

I didn't mention you. Where does it say that? This is slander and you are reported.

It's about Nolan and you still level false allegations toward him.



You have no entitlement to your version of "larger issue".



This is a personal attack of me. Just can't stop can you?

I like how insular Prok is here. he can start a thread, purely for the purpose of defaming Nolan. Of course it's ok because he didnt mention his name initially.

Then I make a post, never mentioned his name, then he seems to have the right to accuse me of making accusations. I guess that does not count though, because afterall, he is above the TOS when it comes to the "larger issues"....his issues.


Get help.