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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
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05-13-2005 20:49
From: Pathfinder Linden
No, it's not. And I'm going to do my best to stop any nonsense like that.

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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
05-13-2005 21:46
Weedy,

I've never been able to understand the reasons behind the enormous energy, intensity, and persistence you bring to spewing hate and venom against me, which you've been doing ever since the Pahoa Jade thread, with distorted, tendentious, biased portrayal of the facts of the case, each time. I think it's a cultural matter.

The "individual" in question there is the CEO of a company and a public figure. It wasn't a personal attack, but a report about an attack on me, duh. Big difference. In fact, my peristence and publication of this matter, unlike other victims of officer recalls done for malicious reasons, is one of the reasons why the Lindens are now finally going to take out officer recall in 1.7.

There is no "lies" or "false allegations" about Nolan, trust me on that, every bit of it is true. And it continues to be investigated.

Um, there's no personal attack on you, just a faithful recording of your personal attacks on me -- hurts to have the mirror held up, eh?

Give it up, Weedy, it's really unseemly.
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
05-13-2005 21:54
Hate to bother, I know you are busy telling Weedy you aren't a liar. But when you wrap that up, could you let me know what you meant by the following post?

/148/68/45200/2.html#post481604

From: Aimee Weber
I am not sure there EXISTS a solution. I just think it would be nice if there were a place in the forums for each kind of exchange so that nobody's voice gets lost
From: Prokofy Neva
Oh, but you already FOUND a solution, hon! It's going on IRC to that efnet.net address and going on the #secondlife channel and spending 40 percent of your time talking about me, and using that time handily to organize a big collective shun of me. Nice work!

Oh, could you provide that address for those on the forums who have time to go to IRC? I don't.


I only mention it cause I never set foot in IRC and I have never posted anything encouraging "the shunning" or had anything to do with it at all.
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Dave Herbst
Registered User
Join date: 4 Sep 2004
Posts: 343
05-13-2005 22:10
From: Prokofy Neva
Weedy,

I've never been able to understand the reasons behind the enormous energy, intensity, and persistence you bring to spewing hate and venom against me, which you've been doing ever since the Pahoa Jade thread, with distorted, tendentious, biased portrayal of the facts of the case, each time. I think it's a cultural matter.

The "individual" in question there is the CEO of a company and a public figure. It wasn't a personal attack, but a report about an attack on me, duh. Big difference. In fact, my peristence and publication of this matter, unlike other victims of officer recalls done for malicious reasons, is one of the reasons why the Lindens are now finally going to take out officer recall in 1.7.

There is no "lies" or "false allegations" about Nolan, trust me on that, every bit of it is true. And it continues to be investigated.

Um, there's no personal attack on you, just a faithful recording of your personal attacks on me -- hurts to have the mirror held up, eh?

Give it up, Weedy, it's really unseemly.


Stay away from my wife.

You have been warned. Now you are being reported to the State Attorney
Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
05-13-2005 22:24
Wow, sad really sad. Thanks for the empty words. If that last statement stung, it was meant for you.
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
05-13-2005 23:02
From: someone
Stay away from my wife.

You have been warned. Now you are being reported to the State Attorney


*Rolls eyes*.

Like the State Attorney is going to find a law under which it is illegal to negrate an avatar in a game? Huh?
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Jessica Robertson
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2004
Posts: 412
05-13-2005 23:03
Dave, I know she is your wife and the forums can get very emotional, but she sort of jumps into the frey all on her own, Prok never mentioned her name, or anything about her in this thread.

I want it clearly understood, I am not defending Prokofy. But she jumped into this thread all on her own with no provocation... for no reason other than to join in on the thread... and then you "reported [Prokofy] to the State Attorney."

I am curious, on what grounds? If anything in this thread, SHE jumped on HIM, not the other way around. *shrug* Maybe I am just missing the point.

Jess
Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
05-13-2005 23:13
From: someone
Hate to bother, I know you are busy telling Weedy you aren't a liar. But when you wrap that up, could you let me know what you meant by the following post?

http://forums.secondlife.com/showpo...04&postcount=40


From: someone

uote:
Originally Posted by Prokofy Neva
Oh, but you already FOUND a solution, hon! It's going on IRC to that efnet.net address and going on the #secondlife channel and spending 40 percent of your time talking about me, and using that time handily to organize a big collective shun of me. Nice work!

Oh, could you provide that address for those on the forums who have time to go to IRC? I don't.


From: someone

I only mention it cause I never set foot in IRC and I have never posted anything encouraging "the shunning" or had anything to do with it at all.


Yeah, sure thing hon, but it was already addressed -- I believe addressed best by Neal Stewart. The "you" here is a reference to the collective you that was in this witch=hunt.

You know full well -- as does everyone reading this -- that you played a key role in that witch hunt, whatever your "lack of fingerprints" on it now.

It matters not *one whit* if you didn't set foot in IRC. Not *one whit* at all.

You started a mass campaign to solicit input about how to change the forums, encouraging and urging people to use their mute buttons. You devised all kinds of elaborate means to change the forums -- all around me, because you couldn't bear my freelyl expressed criticism of your ideas and your beliefs.

You are firmly and obviously attached to any and all shun campaigns in that regard. To say you had nothing to do with this in some kind of technical, literal, "plausible deniability" fashion is simply laughable.

Everybody can see you got your knickers in a twist because I stood up to your too-complicated idea about having slider bars for av bans -- because you couldn't face up to the fact of what most of the public wanted: banning of bounce scripts. It was *so important* to you to protect your friends at the inner core there who script that you simply couldn't entertain the notion of banning a pernicious script.

So to address that sense of outrage you felt at someone actually challenging you (that must never have happened before) you cooked up this elaborate ploy to "revise" the forums. Yet even your little friends said, no, that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You were ready to create special little NPR-type enclaves, ratings systems -- everything under the sun to get rid of *one person*. That's not something you can deny -- because your sudden zeal to reform the forums didn't appear 4 weeks ago or 4 months ago, it appeared after you were challenged on your ideas, and after for the first time in your life, you had someone less than impressed with you.

Challenged on your ideas, not personally attacked.

What's so typical of the FIC -- and I say this with *full knowledge that this is a group and that I'm writing critically of it and it will be construed as an attack by biased persons*:

-- they do not realize they are privileged and constantly deny it and play it down as part of their own complicated fake altruism/vanity posturing
-- when their ideas are challenged, they rapidly translate this into a fake personal attack to posture for sympathy from forum mods and distract from the paucity of their own ideas
-- when they do wrong, they deny it -- because they don't believe they can ever do wrong
-- when they are proved to have done wrong, they vehemently argue with it
-- they cook up some other lie to perpetrate about the person who has exposed their own lies

That's how the system works.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
05-13-2005 23:30
Give. It. Up.


Seriously. It's so, 2005.25
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
05-14-2005 00:01
From: Prokofy Neva
Yeah, sure thing hon, but it was already addressed -- I believe addressed best by Neal Stewart. The "you" here is a reference to the collective you that was in this witch=hunt.

So you can quote me and immediately follow that quote with

From: Prokofy Neva

Oh, but you already FOUND a solution, hon! It's going on IRC to that efnet.net address and going on the #secondlife channel and spending 40 percent of your time talking about me, and using that time handily to organize a big collective shun of me. Nice work!

Oh, could you provide that address for those on the forums who have time to go to IRC? I don't.


And expect people to believe that you were not talking about ME personally? You know what? I'm going to accept this. And bookmark it. If this contortion of logic bares your seal of approval, I think it will be handy to evoke it any time someone in the community has something to say about you (not you personaly of course but a more abstract definition of you).

From: Prokofy Neva

You know full well -- as does everyone reading this -- that you played a key role in that witch hunt, whatever your "lack of fingerprints" on it now.

It matters not *one whit* if you didn't set foot in IRC. Not *one whit* at all.

Only that folks should know that you are a liar.

From: Prokofy Neva

You started a mass campaign to solicit input about how to change the forums,

Correct. I did solicit input about how to change the forums

From: Prokofy Neva

encouraging and urging people to use their mute buttons.

Lie. In fact, not only did I NOT encourage people to mute you, I was one of the folks that suggested that "mute" was a totally ineffective solution to forum problems because muted posts still appeared in replies. (This is the part where you go "uh..oh ya... well it matters not *one whit*)

From: Prokofy Neva

You devised all kinds of elaborate means to change the forums -- all around me, because you couldn't bear my freelyl expressed criticism of your ideas and your beliefs.

Lie. The changes to the forums were suggested by others and then put to vote. All I did was ask "how can we make the forums better?" and collected the suggestions.

From: Prokofy Neva

You are firmly and obviously attached to any and all shun campaigns in that regard. To say you had nothing to do with this in some kind of technical, literal, "plausible deniability" fashion is simply laughable.

You seem to have a problem with your repeated claim. This problem being, your word is the only supporting evidence. Perhaps if you repeat the accusation enough it will seem like truth.

From: Prokofy Neva

Everybody can see you got your knickers in a twist because I stood up to your too-complicated idea about having slider bars for av bans -- because you couldn't face up to the fact of what most of the public wanted: banning of bounce scripts. It was *so important* to you to protect your friends at the inner core there who script that you simply couldn't entertain the notion of banning a pernicious script.

So to address that sense of outrage you felt at someone actually challenging you (that must never have happened before) you cooked up this elaborate ploy to "revise" the forums. Yet even your little friends said, no, that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You were ready to create special little NPR-type enclaves, ratings systems -- everything under the sun to get rid of *one person*. That's not something you can deny -- because your sudden zeal to reform the forums didn't appear 4 weeks ago or 4 months ago, it appeared after you were challenged on your ideas, and after for the first time in your life, you had someone less than impressed with you.

Challenged on your ideas, not personally attacked.

What's so typical of the FIC -- and I say this with *full knowledge that this is a group and that I'm writing critically of it and it will be construed as an attack by biased persons*:

-- they do not realize they are privileged and constantly deny it and play it down as part of their own complicated fake altruism/vanity posturing
-- when their ideas are challenged, they rapidly translate this into a fake personal attack to posture for sympathy from forum mods and distract from the paucity of their own ideas
-- when they do wrong, they deny it -- because they don't believe they can ever do wrong
-- when they are proved to have done wrong, they vehemently argue with it
-- they cook up some other lie to perpetrate about the person who has exposed their own lies

That's how the system works.


The rest of this is where you become a raving lunatic. And when I say you, I of course mean passionate forum posters in general.
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Cienna Samiam
Bah.
Join date: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,316
05-14-2005 00:03
From: Pathfinder Linden


I look forward to seeing this arrive, and have every confidence it will make a difference. :)
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
05-14-2005 00:19
Seconded.

:)
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Dave Herbst
Registered User
Join date: 4 Sep 2004
Posts: 343
05-14-2005 00:39
From: Prokofy Neva
*Rolls eyes*.

Like the State Attorney is going to find a law under which it is illegal to negrate an avatar in a game? Huh?


I am compiling a report to the hate crimes division of the New York State's Attorney's office for several of your posts. I have plenty of evidence in your own words.
Iridian Oz
Registered User
Join date: 9 Feb 2005
Posts: 141
05-14-2005 02:50
****"When you're alone and life is making you lonely
You can always go - downtown
When you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry
Seems to help, I know - downtown
Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?

The lights are much brighter there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares
So go downtown, things'll be great when you're
Downtown - no finer place, for sure
Downtown - everything's waiting for you

Don't hang around and let your problems surround you
There are movie shows - downtown
Maybe you know some little places to go to
Where they never close - downtown
Just listen to the rhythm of a gentle bossa nova
You'll be dancing with him too before the night is over
Happy again

The lights are much brighter there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares
So go downtown, where all the lights are bright
Downtown - waiting for you tonight
Downtown - you're gonna be all right now

[instrumental break]

And you may find somebody kind to help and understand you
Someone who is just like you and needs a gentle hand to
Guide them along

So maybe I'll see you there
We can forget all our troubles, forget all our cares
So go downtown, things'll be great when you're
Downtown - don't wait a minute for
Downtown - everything's waiting for you

Downtown, downtown, downtown, downtown ...****
Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
05-14-2005 03:01
^ that's a great ch00n, lurve the dance remixes.
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Essence Lumin
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Join date: 24 Oct 2003
Posts: 806
05-14-2005 04:29
Forgetting about the rest of this thread and just looking at the tune above I thought of this tune by Ralph Mctell with similar thoughts I think. Mary Hopkins did a beautiful version too.


Have you seen the old man
In the closed-down market
Kicking up the paper,
with his worn out shoes?
In his eyes you see no pride
Hand held loosely at his side
Yesterday's paper telling yesterday's news

*Chorus*
So how can you tell me you're lonely,
And say for you that the sun don't shine?
Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of London
I'll show you something to make you change your mind.

Have you seen the old girl
Who walks the streets of London
Dirt in her hair and her clothes in rags?
She's no time for talking,
She just keeps right on walking
Carrying her home in two carrier bags.

Chorus

In the all night cafe
At a quarter past eleven,
Same old man, sitting there on his own
Looking at the world
Over the rim of his tea-cup,
Each tea last an hour
Then he wanders home alone

Chorus

Have you seen the old man
Outside the seaman's mission
Memory fading with
The medal ribbons that he wears.
In our winter city,
The rain cries a little pity
For one more forgotten hero
And a world that doesn't care

So how can you tell me you're lonely,
And say for you that the sun don't shine?
Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of London
I'll show you something to make you change your mind.
Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
05-14-2005 05:08
From: Prokofy Neva
-- your malicious and false accusation that I have no life, no jobs, and that I'm mentally ill -- the actual nasty post that triggered Pathfinder's resolve to act and close the thread -- and you're well aware of that, as we all are


Prok, I am fairly positive 2 out of 3 of those accusations aren't true. :rolleyes:
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