Outrageously Offended

Again, we are asking for the subjet's consent. We all know the Linden policy on these kinds of issues. Abuse reports filed against Taco will MOST LIKELY result in a Linden asking him to remove any images for which consent was not given (while leaving the consenting photos up). He will almost certainly not be suspended unless he refused, or chonically harassed people along these lines despite warnings from the Lindens. Nobody is trying to run Taco out on a rail here.


Absolutely and a FINE point! When Taco equated our AVs to simple prims someone suggested he open a prim block museum. Taco gave the idea a nod but let's be honest, he wont open one, and if he does, nobody will care. Taco open THIS exhibit for the exact reasons you mentioned. And I am not opposed to giving Taco time in the spotlight for this. Let me repeat for those who feel this opposition is a victory for Taco...

I am NOT opposed to Taco having time in the spotlight over this.

This is not an "Aimee against Taco" issue for me and I don't wish him any ill at all. Taco just opened up an issue for discussion, and many passionate people are discussing. This is a good thing and may help to shape SL policy.

-aimee

Consent, consent, consent.

It comes down to that, time and time again...

And has been pointed out repeatedly (lending itself to an odd loopish nature), I don't think there needs to be any more redundancy about this.

This thread is hilarious.

-AP

I quoted you, just so that this point could be made a second time.

How are people even going to know it's any one particular person's crotch anyway, unless they shave their name in their pubes or something LOL!

And what are people doing walking around with their hoo hoo hanging out anyway?

-AP

This is a good point Torley. The thread has become too long for people to read all the way through, so people are starting to re post issues already addressed.

-aimee

Do you mean like the cause you are fighting for right now? Your own self righteousness is glaringly apparent in your first and subsequent posts within this thread.

If the color of your avatar is what brought the person to make a racial slur how can it be unrelated?

LOL I know. His cause is so emotional to him he is getting physical symptoms. Devilock, don't get sick...it's only a game dude!

-aimee

Taco you have my consent to take up-boxers snapshots of my avatar and post em wherever ya like LOL

And seeing as there aren't many bright orange people in world at the moment, it would be pretty hard to not identify my demon-ass!

THANK YOU! /me gives Chip a big hug... if I may of course? ^_-

again, if taco waited for consent we woudlnt have a thread

That's my point and also why its particularly objectionable!

If Taco wanted to have a "creepy stalker fantasy" museum in a mature area I'd be disgusted by it, but would argue just as strongly that he should be allowed to have it.

This isn't a power *fantasy* - it's the real deal, and it's sexual harrasment!

You can get a power rush from griefing a popular event. You can get a power rush from surrounding your neighbor with keep out fences and prim walls. Theres all sorts of power rushes you can get in SL, but that doesn't make them justified.

It's an abuse, and an intrusion. If you want that thrill, go play at it. If you want the thrill of non-consensual sex or sexual activities like voyeurism and stalking in RL or SL, great! Just make sure it really *is* consensual and you're *playing* at it.

I'll put on a serious hat for a second (and I promise only a second)..

Ok I've been refered to in game as a 'Sand Nigger' (due to the arabic nature of my AV)

I am however a white (ok maybe slightly swarthy) Half Russian - Australian.

Now although I'm not affected by it - for the obvious reasons - I do find it distastefull .. but the real queston is :

Is the person saying it free and clear because he's only addressing a 'virtual' arab?
Or is still just as hatefull and distastefull as it would be if I WERE an Arab?

Or, perhaps, does it make it even MORE ignorant and distastefull because they can't contain their hatred to even a virtual representation?

And to correlate - does it make this any less disrespectful because it's virtual?
Where is the cutoff point? At what point does the criteria change?

Penis of greif -- not ok...
Racial slurs -- not ok..
Unconsented (semi) pornographic pictures -- ok?

In the eye of the beholder I guess.

But the 'it's the internet so I can act like a total cockjaw' excuse (and yes, it is an excuse) doesn't cut it in a place touted as a 'virtual community'....

I'd go further to say it never really has cut it.... It's a cop out.

Siggy.

Well the point is if someone is walking around in a skirt wearing no panties ANYONE can take an "upskirt" photo of them without their knowledge.

At least Taco was nice enough to send me a copy of the upskirt shot he took of me awhile back when I was making a wedding gown. Of course he didnt tell me what it was for and it all makes sense now. Its in the slideshow and you know what I dont care

Since when is The Penis of Grief not okay?
Did I miss another memo?

I'm glad your situation worked out ok. Taco afforded you a kindness he didn't to others. That's kind of the point
and, yes, anyone can take a photo, its when you display it publicly and don't tell people that I have a problem.

Personally I find the penis of grief hillarious - BUT it has been sanctioned as harrassment (and rightfully so ).

Siggy.

Great point.

I think grey areas, for whatever reasons, are looked upon with disdain by some. Someone mentioned compartmentalization, and I think that is what we have here. Some feel a need to disassociate themselves from emotional attachment when there is not face to face contact. I see this as an inhibitive choice and we are are afforded to make a choice. That said, I am not against the choice to compartmentalize, and I certainly won't become sanctimonious to those who take that path.

because the reference is to real bodies with real pigments. what would someone say to a blue av or an orange av? nothing or maybe "cool". definitely not a racial slur.

By virtue of the fact there are no blue or orange people in real life I can't concur. And therein lies the issue. If someone sees you as a "sand nigger", it's highly likely they have race issues in real life, therefore this (should) carry just as much impact as an analogous real life incident.

not free and clear
just as hateful
perhaps more ignorant
noless disrespectful.
there is no cutoff point. criteria does not change.

the reference is the real body. this person is not talking about pixels.

my points on the locii of the self. it is not in the av.



these are not pornographic pictures of people but of their pixelated dolls.

if these were pictures taken unknowingly of these people themselves in an invasion of privacy, i would agree. but these are images of their av, and not even in privacy, but in a public domain probably in a social gathering when the players were aware of taco's presence either as an individual or in a group. if information of someones av is reconstructed as an image on my screen, it belongs to me, or it belongs to LL as a license agreement, but it does not belong to a consortium of players who own the rights to the information that was used.

perhaps it's distasteful or perhaps it's rude. but it's not breaking any rules, and has demonstrated that it is definitely thought provoking. it is art that we can like or dislike, find enjoyable of offensive, and can censor.

*asks a dumb question* What's the penis of grief?

By your logic --everything that appears on your television set is your's. In that LL maintains that objects we build are owned by us --would that not apply to an avatar as well?

I will probably be met with scorn, but it's about respecting other people's wishes. It's more than just about rules. If someone asks you to not place for display and personal gain upskirt pics of them without their permission, you have a choice, respect their wishes or upset people, regardless of what we individually decide SL is or isn't.