front page picts

I wasn't referring to you Tcoz, and I'm pretty sure Jake wasn't either. While I don't share your concern over the UUID issue I have no problem with you speaking out about it or your in world sign. Sorry for the confusion.

i think heading it off before it gets abused is a good thing.

as a historical fact, ll is not always up on what is or isn't a problem... and sometimes waits until it's become a big ugly problem before acting on it.

ll also uses resident input to determine what's going on in sl.

ll is benign, but not always wise.

I don't disagree but I can't think of anything they could do besides having someone manually approve all the pics before they wind up on the front page (not going to happen) or eliminating the feature from the front page (very likely to happen if people make a big issue out of potential abuse). Personally I'd rather see it continue.

if those are the only two choices, then that's pretty sad.i like this idea. and given the sheer volume, even saying okay to 100 a week and just cycling them would be dynamic and probably get more interesting pictures.

though i really do like the "in the last 10 minutes" aspect of everything.

I do too, and I think making a Linden spend their time approving snapshots for the front page is a waste of resources that are better spent elsewhere.

i think so too

but i also think just using a pg filter is dumb.

On the homepage NOW if you click on varney.

http://secondlife.com/go/?sim=Varney&x=91&y=192&postcard=60b72478-9b58-5237-2366-fcfe5b669161

If there's proof the Lindens should consider screening the pics, I'd say that's it

Yup - because there are asshats out there that will post shit to cause drama -- just because they can!

Personally I rather liked the spontaneous 'whats happening right now' aspect of the pics.. it's a pity that it will probably vanish because of a couple of tards.

Thanks!

Siggy.

(this could also be used as an argument as to why not all SL is made up of 'mature' sims)

Agreed.

And if it did vanish, would it not be for the same kind of reasons that creators who find their creations abused cease to create, and for the same kind of reasons that landowners put up ban-bars to open land which has been abused?

There is a fundamental respect I think most of us would uphold for the property, creations, land, and events of other residents. Where that respect ends is where griefing begins.
The SL public webpage belongs to them -- it is their creation, their property, their turf. It is part of how they present themselves to the outside, and it's intent is clear.

Be it to prove a point, for political purpose, maliciousness, whatever – it doesn’t matter. LL deserves as much fundamental respect from us for it's property and creations as we demand for ourselves.

The irony is that snapshot was taken 24 hours ago, before the new patch. I had no way of knowing that the picture would wind up being clickable on the SL homepage map. I posted it to Snapzilla because... as I posted, I thought it was interesting.

The REAL irony is when you jump and and down the instant someone says a script function should be nerfed because it could be used to grief.

And it's the exact same thing.

We're supposed to be adults and conduct ourselves with at least a minimal amount of respect..

Oh, and call the big bullshit on your feigned innocence too.

Siggy.

Siggy,

1. I'm sorry you feel this way. It's not what I'm aiming for. There's no reason to swear at me, and I would have thought you knew me better than how you're portraying me.
2. This isn't griefing. I took a picture of something that was in-world. That item in world is interesting, and provocative on an intellectual level; you would be hard-pressed to deny this. It may or may not be critical of a Linden Lab policy, depend on whether or not you think Tcoz is being ironic. However, there are 0 violations of the TOS in this picture - no mature content, no swear words, no advertising, no spam.
3. To improve a system, you have to find out where it is broken. I really like the new Linden Homepage, considering I made the very suggestion to update the map the way they did. What reason would I have to suggest improvements and then to grief? That's silly. I did what I did because I honestly want this feature to be polished.
4. I believe this is what Snapzilla is intended for - instant photojournalism. I've posted an entry in my blog about this here:
http://thesecondopinion.blogspot.com/2005/05/snapzilla-instant-photojournalism.html
5. I don't see Tcoz's message as inherently hostile. There's a feeling of irony to it, but the bottom line is that Linden Lab encourages discussion of residents of its features and its more controversial decisions. Tcoz is expressing his freedom of speech, and it is done in a way that does not attack anyone. That seems fairly mature to me.

(sigh)

Any chance we can have a polite dialogue about this?

I mean, prok isn't in this thread. I thought he was source of all our grief?

Thanks, blaze.

I thought it was polite, but I can kind of see how Siggy took things the wrong way. I know Siggy's a stand-up guy, so I hope that the next time he posts he may not be so harsh.

Yes, come on guys, let's all be good Doo-Bees!

For heaven's sake, one would think that you think you're adults and can have a disagreement or an argument with out being scolded for it!

Think again!

I see Siggy, I see Hiro, I see blaze, I see Nolan...

"Romper, bomper, stomper, boo.
Tell me, tell me, tell me do.
Magic mirror, tell me today.
Did all my friends have fun at play?"

HEY! LOL. No ninja editing!

I take offense to your hateful, personally attacking comments!!!!!!1111oneoneone

(kidding!)

well you totally missed the point I was making Hiro - exploiting something to create controversy. A feature exists - its shortcomings are already mentioned and noted.

I never said you were greifing - what I drew to your attention is that your now using the opposite side of the fence than you normally take with issues concerning things such as scripting.

It's not about tsoz' message - and you know this (at least I hope you know this or continuing a conversation with you is utterly pointless).
It's about doing something to deliberately stir up drama - there was already an entire thread devoted to this so you *KNEW* it was a hot button issue... this isn't about 'fixing' something - that has already been discussed and brought to our attention - this is about exploiting this fact to stir up crap.

In short - I think you're being an ass, and stirring up drama. And unlike a lot of people in the feelgood brigade - if someone is an ass - I'll say so - if you don't like the words 'crap - bullshit - and ass' I suggest you refer to the link in my signiture and take its suggestion..
Thats the way I talk in RL - It's the way I talk here.. I call a dick a dick. And right now I think you're being one.

If we were reasonable people (and I like to think that a lot of us are) we would look at the current limitations and abide by them until the issues are resolved...

So, in short - go back and read what I wrote .... again.... if you wish to discuss - that is the discussion I will have -- not what you have written above, a series of points based on loose interpretations on what you would have liked me to have said.

Siggy.

What's so controversial? If I was aiming to make controversy, I did a lousy job; you're the only one who seems to think this is controversial.


Yes, I like to look at both sides of an issue.


Let's see... i didn't start any new threads, and my comments were limited to existing threads. Once again, the only drama seems to be from you.


I feel that I have abided by the limitation. Did you bother to read my blog entry?


I have addressed each of your points. I challenge them. To sufficiently prove your point, I ask you to supply evidence to support one of your premises: that, other than your posts, what drama has been caused. I've spoken about free speech plenty of times in the forum, and I try and take a mature tone.

I can only reiterate that I feel the posts about this issue have been mature, and unless I'm not aware of some other forum where drama has arisen, it is my belief that we can continue to explore the issue of "what Linden Lab should and should not censor" in a mature matter.

Siggy, there is a reason it's called "offensive" language.

But hey, don't mind me. Someone had to take Prok's place..

I think that's neither true, not have you do so, but Blaze, let's not go into that topic, eh?

No, let's go into that topic.

Why is it wrong for Prok to be offensive, but hey Siggy gets a pass? Because of volume?

Unfortunately, the problem is that there are tonnes more where Siggy came from. The only real difference between the group of Siggy types and the Prok type is that

a) Prok is one indiviual versus many
b) Prok had contrarian ideas

Why do you think people came down on Tcoz so hard? Why do you think he strikes back like one who is isolated?

It's because this community constantly (and I mean constantly) tries to marginalize anyone with ideas which are 'controversial' with insults, offensive language, and derogatory language.

In the weeks ahead, I'll point this out when it happens and you'll start to see what I'm talking about.

Anyone who takes a position which is contrary to the community or creates intellectual controversy will be marginalized, not by logic, but by insulting, offensive, derogatory language.

And for those people who think they are merely calling a 'dick a dick'.. trust me, ad hominem has no place in discourse. The reason you're calling a 'dick a dick' is because the resolution to the controversy is probably unobvious, unpleasant and demands sacrifice and compromise.

Much easier to stick your head in the sand and call a dick a dick.

If you must, start another thread.

blah blah blah - see the link - you're the prime offender of this Blaze GFY.

Assumption:
A webpage really only needs to be updated every ... oh, hour or so to be considered "current".

Assumption:
LL has a thumbnail tool of some sort that they could look at a bunch of pictures from the previous hour and select a bunch.

Conclusion:
Someone could potentially spend about 5 minutes every hour doing this.

Conjecture:
This duty could be shared among a number of Lindens, liasons, etc, so that it's a "person who has some free time" situation.

Just a thought.