A Plea to Anshe Chung

Dude the first letter of your first name does not even command respect. It is an insignificant lower case "b".

blaze has never done anything to make me think of him with the perjorative form of "Land Baron."

In fact, there is only one person left in game that I think deserves that moniker as a negative thing.

Jeez, I could swear I read a post by Haney in this thread. Am I the only one who saw it?

No no, Onei. I agree it sucks to have a great view reshaped but at the same time I feel like Anshe deserves a hug cause she's probably bummed out over this thread. If you look back I was censoring Darko's quotes to see if he noticed haha. I'm just being a goof

If LL started selling half sims it would be an honour to share a sim with you.

I'm assuming that if we go beyond some line, the thread will be deleted/locked.

My big concern was how this thread would be regarded in its initial creation, which I tried to be very careful of.

Obviously, at least at some point, Haney regarded the discussion as something constructive as he said something about it pushing toward non constructive things.

I do regret that this thread has went on as long as it has, but mainly because I feel that it is wasted energy.

Alright, now we are back to lies and labeling. We have seen that before, haven't we?

If what you are pulling off here, yet again, is what you consider "contributing to the community", then I, indeed, can not reach up to your standards. Unfortunately I am not as skilled as you at providing this kind of valuable content.

Have nice day

Dude fuck her empire (as you call it)! She does not care about other people in this community. This point alone is my justification for speaking out.

Let me reiterate. It is irrelevant if she beautifies the land or not. Her only reason for terra-forming and parceling is to ensure she maximizes her profit. Too often this is at the price of other people’s feelings as is the case with One. She is not concerned with making Second Life a better place and contributing to the community. I am directing my anger at the lack of concern she has for other members of this community not at what she did or did not do to a specific parcel of land! She plays this game only to make money. Personally speaking I have a problem with anyone who ignores the feelings of others in this community. It is precisely the spirit of giving and helping that has allowed this game SL to grow into the beautiful world we call Second Life.

Why dont you try giving One a hug.

Thanks Jack

I don't mind a view being messed up, as I said, by a permanent resident, but a temporary one, not blocking my view, but blocking others view of my build because she regards it as ugly and affecting her bottom line (having never even bothered to ask the neighbors what they think) and then, flat out telling me she was blocking the view of it because my build was so ugly.

I'm hard pressed to find a reasonable excuse for that.

I don't like anyone being bashed, and I've tried to discourage that as much as possible. I'd gladly give Anshe a hug if I thought it would help her to, at least, consider other people for a moment.

I appreciate what you are saying and what you are trying to do. . . and believe me, I was in the same place as you. . .

prior to actually having to deal with Anshe and her derogatory arrogance and pointed disregard for any community.

And on a more positive note I'd love to share a Sim with you. Actually, I was gonna talk with you about some video services I may need soon. IM me in world, and I'll discuss some of my plans with you for the Carnival.

Anshe, with all due respect. . .

You don't consider telling someone that you are raising land to block the view of their ugly build griefing? I believe the TOS does define that kind of terraforming as a form of griefing in and of itself.

Besides, during the previous incident, you actually offered up an apology, saying that you wish you had thought about how it was going to affect me before doing it.

I appreciated that and thought that that had left a door open so that you could be reasoned with.

Unfortunately, the first apology must have been just to save face, and in thinking that anyone could do anything to change your resolve or get you to consider others, I was sadly mistaken

I raised the land south of yours to the level your other neighbours had raised their land on the west side and east side of your land before. This was so that people settling down would not have to look at the ugly litter you had on your land at that time. It is something many people do, who have neighbour with ugly built and it in no way block or hinder access to your land or its use.



Yes, I did feel sorry because it was not my intend to make you unhappy.



I actually meant it when I apologized to you. But now after your recent actions I changed my mind and come to the conclusion that I in no way owe you any apology for anything I did.

Interesting Anshe. . .

I hadn't expected you to argue my point so well by example.

The sad thing is that you can't see how you just did that.

And, I'll take your previous question in the constructive light that I'm sure it was given.

What do I contribute to the world? Well, I would gladly pit the number of people who say they like me against the number of people who say they like you. Let's just look at the established system in game if it would be too hard for you to round up your crowd - ratings.

Now, you may say that this is because I'm a raging socialite, and you're such a busy entrepeneur.

This is laughable at best. I am sooo much a hermit. It's just that when I do come across people, I try and be as nice as possible.

The only time I do tend to "get out" is when I'm doing Mentoring events - of which I've done one each night this week because I saw that the number of them had decreased dramatically as of late. This specifically is to help the community.

Now your argument may be that I get paid for those - my response would be that, from experience, I can make Much more money by having prize oriented events on my own property, but I choose to do Mentor events, even though they count against my seven allowed events for the week, because I believe the Mentoring is an important part of helping out the community and making sure it grows. I'd really be shocked if you found someone who came to my SL Basics classes who said that the reason I generally let them run over by a half hour to an hour or more is because I was in it for the money. I could easily make these events the bare minimum, but I try and attend to everyone's questions, regardless of how long it takes.

Anshe, seriously, I have no problem with the absolute self focused things you do, per se (although I would NEVER consider doing the same myself for any amount of money). What I find most galling is the fact the you still try and claim that what you do is for the betterment of the community (and not your wallet) and the fact that you constantly act shocked when people express hatred of you and your practices after they had tried every adult way to reason with you and get you to understand how harmful what you are doing is to their experience.

This thread should not be on the forums.

*and if I could figure out with the new forums how to report it I would.

*hugs*
our love to you onei.

You arrogant bitch! Look at the language you use. You are so condensending and rude. And you wonder why people neg rate and dislike you. My god you are a hideous work of art!

Maybe that it's still around shows that the Lindens feels it is an issue.
Maybe they too don't like that they spent a lot of time to try to create some neighborhood feel by terraforming the land to end up having it chopped up.
Or maybe using a pocket book as a means of griefing others since terraforming your own land isn't considered griefing under the TOS.

I disagree. This thread has every right to exist. The actions of Anshe Chung are hurtful and despicable and need to made public! She needs to be ostracized from this community.

I have no opinion on Anshe's actions or Oneironaut's actions. But this has become an abusive thread and I'm beginning to become ashamed of the people on here I consider friends and acquaintances.

I have reported it to Robin Linden.

I agree Camille, and think that this thread should be removed

I'm sorry if I have offended you in this thread.

The result of this thread was absolutely not my intention in starting it, and I think, at the very least, the Lindens understand that.

So yes, I apologise.

I too have reported this thread as becoming abusive. It was interesting for awhile and then seemed to turn into a gang bang. There is no point in kicking dead horses or for that matter, trying to change solidly held opinions/interpretations. Using words that have been used in this forum are, in my view, not helpful or reasonable or in any way conducive to making this problem reach a closer resolve.

I find it fascinating that when a recent discussion on another thread centered around the actual facts surrounding Anshe Chung's exploiting weaknesses in the auction system, the Lindens slashed and burned posts from those who complained about her tactics, and sent several of them warnings. In this thread -- largely personal, vituperative, and rhetorical -- they've done nothing but issue a reminder -- that everyone ignored.

That is about the only thing valuable in this thread -- a clear and comparative demonstration of the muddled character of LL policy and enforcement.

I would very much like to believe in Linden Lab's ability to maintain the quality of the product, again. Please make it happen.

There are at least 80 new people starting Second Life every day.

They have no previous knowledge of the world, ratings, how the community feels about land baroning. They probably dont even understand the term.

If greeted with a friendly " " why wouldn't they trust that?

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For the record, I didn't ask anyone who did to join the conversation. . . in fact, I did ask a few involved to not post, as I knew it would be difficult for them to contain their emotions.

I appreciate the support, but wish that the thread hadn't become what it has become. From what I've seen of other threads, it may be unfair to discuss Anshe at all as she has wronged so many that they are bound to come out of the woodwork and give the appearance of an, um, 'gang bang'.

Once again, I apologise.

I still think the trouble she causes people in-world can never match what goes on in retaliation through these forums. I don't think an apology is necessary. But I do think that this is one more reason why people need to host events that teach people about players like Anshe, and promote good use of land and effective means of purchasing land without being ripped off. Anshe's business is dependent on naive users. Educate people as best as possible. This is a -plea- even to people who don't host events at all or often. Make sure everyone new you meet is educated about the good and bad corporations in Second Life.

Camille, if you look under the name of each poster on a post, you see an offline/online indicator that lights up when someones online (duh), next to it is a sign with a red outline and a black exclimation point, click that to report a post. I would have never figured this out myself if it wasn't pointed out to me earlier, heheh.

Anshe, have you considered letting the buyer decide what to do with the land themselves? Maybe provide a guide on how to terraform if they so choose to instead of deciding for them. If I personaly baught a peice of land (sold by anyone) that was raised or flattened in anyway, I'd revert it right away, I like natural look and would rather build around that than flattening stuff. Everyone has their personal preferences though. Have you found that people like flattened land or naturaly shaped land more?

I doubt Anshe is particularlly concerned about these threads. She knows that for every forum troll there is probably a dozen people who have absolutely no problem with what she's doing and quite a few that support her.

She also probably knows that most of the people who are launching personal attacks are probably just the same account over and over again under many different alts.