Is there a concerted effort by club owners against other clubs?

Over the past several weeks, it seems that things in SL have been getting nastier and nastier in regards to clubs attacking other clubs - fake abuse reports, griefing, harassment, RL threats of violece, etc... Now there are reports that a group of owners of popular clubs are working together to put a stop to other clubs.

I recognize that competition for dwell, errr, traffic and developer incentives is fierce, but has it really come to this?

Interesting...

I do know that at least a couple of sims were prim-bombed today, causing multiple objects to disappear. This happened in Penan at a parcel where I had a bunch of my games placed. I never got a notification that the objects were returned. They just disappeared.

I can't speak for anyone in that picture, but there is at least 1 person in there that I feel reasonably sure would not take part in such tactics.

I would certainly hope none of them would - I am not implying that they are, just asking if something is going on (not they would probably say "oh yeah, it's on!". I asked Blue Burke about it specifically, who said he left the meeting because he wanted no part in any drama - which is definitely a good thing. As for the staff of the Edge, Big John, etc.., not sure there.

Well all you have to do is do a 'find' on the S.L.A.M group to see who is and who isn't still involved (with what ever that maybe )

I also find it interesting that this grp contains one officer.....

Things they could be talking about that are non-conspiracy-esque:
1. Stopping griefers
2. Swaying Linden opinion
3. Working out rates for employees across the board
4. Tips on how to make their clubs better.

Watch out, the non-feted are conspiring to overthrow our hegemony!

Shouldn't that be eggmony? *gets coat*

Ouch - that crack was just half-boiled. You should be poached for that.

This weekend, with big events at Club Belle Feu scheduled, I had to deal with self-named "SL Terrorists". They blew guests off the sim and littered with prims ...multiple times. They left sneaky little packages saying "touch me for money."

And yes, I did report the abuse...as did many guests.

My in world solution...hire Ivie Bijoux to trouble shoot with her Bodyguard Inc. They do a great, professional job. The most difficult aspect is that we have to actually continue to deal with the crap...and we arent even one of the biggest clubs.


I've certainly heard, first hand, about the big clubs being at war. Starting to remind me a bit of TSO. Blah............ I truly think some people find all that chaos fun.

Although personally I have renounced my life of crime, I can say that terrorism is on the rise. There are numerous tools and objects that have been designed strickly for terroristic (i.e. griefing) purposes. The Free 7 day trial period continues to be a breeding ground for "nothing to lose" grifers.

Perhaps the Lindens should start a Department of HL Security

I think the answer is "yes". I see odd club wars all the time in my area, people lagging sims down to 27 FPS wearing smoking particle attachments and bombing peeps. I even called in the Lindens the other night, something I never do.

Cris , I don't know why you posted this... or even how you obtained a picture of this meeting.... but this group was made to allow club owners to communicate when it comes to griefers and other things that they feel of importance to clubs in general... it has nothing to do with traffic, nor competition... and for the record, NO I am not in this group... but I was invited into it... if I had more available groups to join I would... I think it is a great idea.

Sensual, the reason I posted it are because of all the reports coming out of what is going on between clubs (none of which involved you). I was sent that by a trusted, well respected friend who is involved in that scene. Clubs seem to being griefed when they get into close proximity of some of the established clubs on the list, and it has been massively on the rise lately. It's a wonderful charter to put on a group, but the reality seems to be anything but that. It is a great idea if they are actually doing that - but even in speaking someone who was there and left, it seems that meeting was hardly about how to protect clubs, unless you mean "protect" in a more nefarious manner. It reminds me of all the mafia bullshit from TSO, though this time hundreds of dollars are at stake in developer incentives.

Strictly speaking for myself, I agreed to join the S.L.A.M. group to exchange information with other club owners regarding grief activity, which at least for me, has become a weekly occurance.

I kinda thought anything that would increase communication would be helpful here.

If any of you guys have taken the time to visit the Shelter, I'd hope its obvious that we're less interested in competition, and more into being friendly & having fun. We've got a completely different target audience than the bigger clubs..... a lot of people that visit the us aren't interested in the bigger clubs, and frankly, probably a lot of the people that visit the bigger clubs aren't interested in us either.

As to any drahma at the meeting that the picture was snapped at, since this wasn't held at Stage 4, me bringing up that kind of stuff up in the forums would be inappropriate, dontcha think?


Travis

I guess I still don't understand what the problem is... nor do I understand why this was brought to the forums..
We have a club in Le Cadre... Pure Passion... it isn;t a whore house, we don't have escorts... we have fun, and are surrounded by an open minded crowd that accepts all lifestyles... I am not in any interest of competing with other clubs, or anyone else for that matter.
Someone please tell me what this group has done to make it to the forums?

You're right, besides it is just as effective, and as valid of a point without the picture. However, bringing up concerted efforts to grief other clubs is hardly inappropriate. The amount of threats, griefing, and other bullshit going on has reached a ridiculous level.

/me is glad I am (mostly) out of the club business!

Sensual,

You are right, your club has always been above board, which is a good thing. The reason it was brought to the forums is because the griefing is getting out of hand, and there is strong evidence that some of it is a concerted effort to thwart competition. It is all incredibly childish, for one thing. People go to clubs to have a good time, people host events to have a good time, not to be griefed into oblivion because they dare get onto the popular places list. I hope that it is not true, that it is just a bunch of random bored griefers, but report after report is that it is anything but that - that griefers are being paid to do these kinds of things. That is just pathetic.

Oh ok, I guess I am misunderstanding... so your post is to point out all the griefing and not anything about this group? Or do you have some secret dirt on this group that you are trying to hint at?

Yeah, I've heard that Booty Call has been attacked several times as well.

It is more a general post about the problem - however, in regards to that meeting, again, that meeting was reported to be about an effort to declare war on rival clubs (a concept that is so stupid). I was not at the meeting, and Travis' post did nothing to dispel that, only to say the drama that ensued at that meeting was private. It is my understanding that the Second Life Herald (hardly a favorite site of mine, but they usually have a handle on this stuff) is going to write about the topic.

Since not all clubs were represented at this meeting or asked to attend then, I would say that your assumptions could be right on Cristiano. Looks like just an elite few for that matter.

Cristiano - You're putting me in a pretty awful position. I agree with you, the concept of declaring "war" on rival clubs in stupid. But how the heck am I supposed to dispel that short of pasting a blow by blow of what was said at the meeting? I know you wern't there, but I really, really, really wish you were. If you were, I think you'd understand how incredibly silly all of this is.

If you'd like to PM me in game, I'd be happy to talk to you about it. But please don't put me in the position of playing a he said/she said game in the public forums. I feel like you're saying that if I don't give a public blow by blow of what was said in a private meeting, I'm being deceitful. I'm trying to be honorable here, and from my vantage point, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

All I wanted to do was try & do something about grief.


Travis

After the club wars, all clubs will be Taco Belle.

well, cris....

u know, a war between the clubs is an interesting thought, and i know that it has occured, i see two people representing two clubs in that picture i know for a fact were into a griefing thing with each other.

however, a major club can piss off factions not involving other clubs. some for instances.

an ex-gf of somebodies goes to work at a club, and he/she dont like it.

a 14 yr old with mommies credit card sees a large group of people together in one sim.

land owners in the clubs sim, do i need to explain this one cris?

i swear i knew a club owner(does not currently run one) that enjoyed pissing people off and war.

an immature individual is banned from a club and vows revenge.

just some alternative suggestions regarding the club griefing that do not involve some group effort on the part of club owners.


marilyn