The Forest Sim

Anshe is trying to do the best for her customers and make a profit, so she can stay in business and continue to provide beauty, security, value, liquidity, and stability to our world.

People who are not contributing any of those things simply have less of a leg to stand on in these arguments.

First off, what I said was in reference to true ideas of capitalist business in America (granted you probably don't know much about this kinda happenings with you being in China), business is this. How many people go to Walmart actually thinking that they care about them? That their business slogans of "we care" or "you're family" actually mean anything? And how many small mom and pop businesses that actually do care about the community were crushed by a larger business giving lower prices because they can afford to do so? This stuff happens and that's what I was refering to you, you calling yourself a business girl and acting largely in part to how these businesses act is why I brought these references up.

You have people working for you? That means you create jobs? Sure, Enron created plenty of jobs too, it also fired a lot of people when the CEOs started to get into financial problems by their own faults (another example of corporate selfishness I might add). Now i'm not saying that i'm going to make all my own stuff and never buy any corporate made things from a big retailer. I do, what i'm saying is that I know this stuff happens and I accept it. And instead of trying to duck around the truth like a business person that when it comes down to it business is all about money, (do you deny this) I just say it. But after all, you're a good business woman and you know that you need to manipulate people just right so they'll back you and give you traffic.

I'd be willing to bet if there was an anti-furry sim somehow and you bought it that you'd be walking around there with a "I hate furries" T-shirt. I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong, i'm just saying what you ARE doing. Can you deny that you try to manipulate your words in the post to make it sound like it's "for the community" as many suggests? Can you deny that all of this buying and selling of land is for nothing but money? And furthermore to that point can you deny that you only care about the people who live in your lands to the point that they procure you money?

I'm not trying to bring down capitalism by no means, I'm trying to stop the masquerade of a company that cares. Companies don't care, people are faceless entities with wallets, and that's what I'd accepted.

Now that i've explained my last post in different words, since you'd seemed to have taken it as a personal attack when it was actually about companies and business initself, I think i'll take a look at your replies here...



Like I said, I accept that businesses are greedy, I know Second Life is about money and nothing else, that's pretty much the definition of business.



Whoo well I must be terrible at driving people away since i'd been around in the Forest since it started, and they had a steady population of 20-30 people pretty much at all times. Then you pop in and buy the place and suddenly the Forest is down to 10-15 people population. Yes....hmmm I guess I need to work on that driving away skills, got any tips?

And excuse me for asking, but how is buying land constructive? Constructive would suggest that you're creating something, but buying and selling things that are already created does not seem constructive. How do I contribute to the growth of Second Life? I'm a builder, texturer, clothing maker, animator, and soon to be scripter. I'd created quite a bundle of the above and did development for some rather large projects. If growth in second life can be defined by it's content, then I can honestly say i'd contributed quite a bit.



Oh i'm quite sure your businesses create jobs. The problem is it destroys other ones, Briarcliff manor anyone? And this, again, in relation to actual business is true enough, like I referenced before smaller less profitable but more community based areas are absorbed by larger companies.


It's so popular to call someone who disagrees with you a drama-bomb, but you know, just like an argument it takes two to create drama, and you're not exactly innocent of contributing to the drama.

Now after all that ad hominen towards me in your post I feel the need to contribute some back, but I feel that would degrade my points, so i'll just call you a business woman. That seems worse enough.

I have not just bought land with The Forest (that I could have done much cheaper elsewhere) but I invested in one project. Beside that, I am developing new sims, creating landscapes and provide complex service to customers in those sims. On the new continent I provide (part of) the game for many now. I would call this "constructive". At least it cost me much time and make many happy customers.



The owner of Briarcliff decided to shut down that project and sell off the sim to highest bidder. If I buy one table at the liquidation sale of one company, will you accuse me of destroying that company?

Jeez, if you believe I am responsible for the failure of all the projects that were on land before it was offered for sale to me you must truly believe I am one devil.

You compared buying a whole sim to buying a table from a company? Isn't that a well....really really bad analogy? You didn't just buy a table in Briarcliff you bought the whole place. And if all the people who used to live in Briarcliff were your happy customers then i'd hate to meet your disappointed customers!

I never said you were responsible for the failure of any projects, I just said large companies crush small businesses, and that's true. Even you couldn't deny that.

"I have not just bought land with The Forest (that I could have done much cheaper elsewhere) but I invested in one project. Beside that, I am developing new sims, creating landscapes and provide complex service to customers in those sims."

Investing in a project-> translation: buying land with pre-existing and popular builds so that I may partake in the profits of their popularity.

Developing new sims-> translation: buying land and having people build things on them for a rental price.

Creating landscapes-> translation: buying land and destroying the pre-existing builds since they're not popular and terraforming the land, then putting it up for sale.

Providing complex service-> translation: Buying, selling, and renting out land.

Sorry if to me, buying cheaper land and selling it for more, or buying land with a creative project on it and partaking in it's profits are not what i'd consider a creative endeavour.

I don't think you're the devil, nor do I think you're evil, I think you're a big business girl (and you are) and big business girl puts you into all of those big business truths I'd mentioned.

Heh, Anshe is wearing my white tiger skin. Cool

I just skimmed over most of these anti Anshe diatribes and all I can say is if I layed out a significant amount of cash for a server and $200 a month for a sim, I would damned well want to do what the hell I wanted to do with it. The fact Anshe is willing to keep the Forest as it is for the time being is more than anyone can expect. Prime example is Teazers Island, it was a beautiful place with shops and a park, great place to ride a bicycle and shop. Trixie had a car accident and could no longer pay for the sim so she sold it. The new owner wiped out everything and put up what has to be the ugliest strip mall ever seen in SL, it looks like a cross between a wild west town and a gay alien hive... I may not like it but hell, the new owner has a right to do what they please with it. I buy a car, I have every right to paint it lime green with purple handprints if I want. I bought it, its mine.

yes, it is easy to pic on 'famous' people like our Anshe (I did as a newbie *apologies*) but if you do the math it's obvious that she, and many others, are giving back far more than they have to and making SL a better experience for all of us.

and btw that was a wonderfully written parargraph! I laughed, I cried, I transcended this mortal realm... gay alien hive, omg, i have to see that!!

I believe you need to step back from this as being personal and look at it for what it is. The Forest was going, the original owner no longer wanted/could afford it. He/she was getting rid of it. It was going "poof".

Anshe stepped in and offered to take it over, to invest into the Forrest. If she wanted nothing more then to have another sim, it would of greatly benefited her more to just buy another from LL and not purchase one from another player.

It does not really matter how much longer the Forrest lasts, the simple fact that she bought the land to keep it going in itself is comendable. Now it is upto the Furry nation to keep it going.

I personaly love The Forrest, it is now two sims behind my house and I love the Furries that have come visited me in my log cabin. I also enjoy going and enjoying the community they have developed over there.

Regardless of your personal feelings towards Anshe, what she did in this transaction was only beneficial to all invovled.

See this is the tricky part. Anshe has branded her business with her name. So business interactions with her can appear personal since when you buy land its from ANSHE CHUNG.com, so every business transaction with her is a personal one. And when she makes an AD for her business using the n-word and whores, that reflects on her business. She is a victim of her own marketing tactics, so this isnt about Anshe the person, but the business.

I have not seen those words used before so I am unable to comment on it one-way or the other.

Since they were inflammatory, they were removed by mods, but enough people read it for the damage to be done.

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Yeah... and? Is she supposed to take a loss on her investment out of the goodness of her heart?

The sim was going to disappear entirely... she stepped in and took it off Spade's hands so it would remain. Would it have been better... would you have been happier... if she hadn't gotten involved, and the sim had just vanished? Even if, some time down the road, she does decide that dealing with all the furry drama is a bigger headache than she thought, or she loses too much money on the sim, and decides to destroy it... until and unless that happens, the Forest is still there. Its continued existence should be treated as an unexpected gift for as long as it lasts, because without Anshe's intervention it would be gone already.

Well as you said, they have been removed. So I will still be unable to respond one way or another.

Sorry, Eboni, but what makes this appear personal is the completely unrelated half truths about my person and my business that you are trying to bring up in this discussion.

Lets take the "n-word". You are trying make people believe that I would be one (racist or whatever) person calling people with black skin names in my ads. That is what one has to read your statement as. The truth is that I was offended by another poster calling me and my sale signs out as "oriental" and answered with one statement of irony, trying to make his racism more visible. I never called anybody "whore" or "nigger" or any other negative term of that type. What you are doing here is twisting my words, adding your own spin and creating false associations in one half-assed attempt of character assassination.

Another example is your false accusation that I would destroy sims. If it is that well documented in the forums as you claim it would be, then why don't you provide links? Are you refering to that one endlessly quoted incident 10 months ago when I pissed off one certain mafia leader and all his minions by make one beautiful hillside with trees on my land so I would not have to look at his rubbish? Or do you still try blame me for the demise of Briarcliff by its former owner? In any case it is obvious that you are not concerned with one issue but with my person.

What will you post next? Are you going to quote the "Anshe screws newbies" rumors that certain people systematically planted with their alts in August? Will you call your friends and let them all post: "Anshe's bad business practice", "Anshe's bad business practice",
"Anshe's bad business practice", "Anshe's bad business practice", "Anshe's bad business practice",... creating truth by repetition? Or will I receive another dubious warning of the type "Something big is going to happen that you will never forget again" followed by mass neg rates, forum gang rape and destruction of my sims? Been there. Seen that. Did not impress me.

I think you would make yourself more happy if you would try understand who I really am and who I am not. And be honest to yourself about your feelings and where they originate from. Your obsession with my person only make yourself unhappy.

why not jus go hang out whever you want to, if you miss dusun, go there, and invite some'f yer friends, if ya like the forest, go there an don whine.. jus be where ya wan be.. its not that big a deal. the very idea a sim can somehow 'be' a culture is almost hilarious

I read those quoted threads just now ..

The words were not in the AD .. they came later its clear by anecdotal evidence and discussion following.

Seems obvious she used those words you accuse her of slurring not as directed insult, but as example by way of absurdity to point out she felt discrimated against by posters ganging up on her.

It was a bad idea to use the N word knowing how inflamatory it is , but she didnt call anyone the word, by the best i can tell.

I fount Eboni's own post which seems to indicate a lot of bias ..

"Anshe, who I now firmly believe is American, or has lived in America and is quite possible multiple people, at least 2, possibly 4, seems to enjoy inciting mayhem and drama in the forums and never fails to make “her” posts as inflammatory as possible. Ignoring them is the best option." Eboni .. from the 3rd link.

Accusing someone of being multiple people would be accusing her of violating the TOS .. also speculation about someoene real life is also frowned on .. and not relevant.

It does seem she over reacted to an appherent american's criticism of her signs .. but that was the precipitate of the whole mess .. why couldnt she have Asian style signs? reguardless of her nationality or heritage.

So bottom line the use of the words was taken out of context and claiming malice where it was instead a poor choice of examle by absurdity.

I will diagree on this point until the end of time. I don't think the use of racial slurs is ever justified, andin this instance when Anshe was not being discriminated against but promoting her new sim in the most vile and tacky manner possible, it use completely un-necessary. Playing the "I'm a minotity so it makes it ok for me to insult other minorities" card is not a valid excuse. And her use of the term is unforgivable in my book. I will remember the shit for ever.

Anshe,


All of this is truth and well documented/remembered by others. You have moderation erasure of your stupid tacky posts to assist you in pretending it was all twisted but it wasn't, play that game with someoen who didnt read all of your original posts.







Your delusions of grandeur are now complete. Dream on. LMAO

And here the original dialogue:





Everybody read and decide him/herself what constitute the real scandal: My unlucky use of irony while I was upset or the witch hunt that followed.

why does the name 'Catherine' keep going through my head...??? I just can't figure that out. dang.

I am sorry Eboni, but you have made this personal. I believe that is against the TOS, if I read and understood that correctly. Furthermore it is just distasteful to continiously attack an individual on a personal level in a game, any game just not SL.

You made your point, you posted links to support your point. We read your posts, we read your links supporting your post and we, believe it or not, came to our own conclusions of how we felt about it. Might not be your same conclusions but they are just as valid as yours.

And this thread has gone way off topic.... The Forest was saved, the furries still have a home, and we should be rejoicing in this! The facts were simple, the owner of The Forrest either did not want nor could afford the sim. It was going to go "poof"... regardless of what motivations Anshe has/had for acquiring "The Forest" she did and it saved it from going "poof".

This thread should be full of posters thanking Anshe for keeping The Forest safe, keeping the home(s) of the furries safe, even if it is only for a little longer.

I am going to go ingame now and enjoy The Forrest

well a couple of things .. I agree the use of the n word is wrong. It is known as a common racial slur. But the exact extremely sensitive nature to which you refer .. justified in my opinion .. is an American situation, and is a direct results of the civil rights struggle in the United States. Anshe being both of chinese origin and living in Europe (common knowledge and she posted on this) wont be aware of that climate here necessarily. Any more then we might be aware how sensitive derogatory slurs used against turks are in germany in the present day.

There is wrong and there is deliberatly offensive. I beleive she was the former you seem to contend she was the latter. I dont think the information you provided backs you up.

In America it is well known now that that word is unacceptable in any use by anyone who is not of African origin. I am not certain the same is true elsewhere, I do not assume it is.

She was actually pointing out it was wrong to use those slurs once context she used is taken into account.

Anti asian discrimation does exist also. Discrimation exists in every shape and size in this world.