The Forest Sim

Hah! This quote sums up alot of what point is completely missed by most folks about 'groups'. Yep Hiro, just like all the queers in the world, we are not completely identified by our sexual preferences amongst ourselves... we are teachers, artisits, laborers, philosophers, writers, bums, sex addicts, winos, gypsys, thieves, presidents (well maybe not that came out of the closet)... POINT being --> we are alot like you - in fact - we are just like you. I can put that same relevance to Furries - not all Furries want their primary indentifying quality to be their sexual orientation... or their preferred outward appearance. They are complicated individuals with many layers. So no ... maybe Furries isn't good enough. I sure don't like to be introduced as *my RL name, a great Lesbian. Other things come first UNLESS some dope gets all hung up on my sexual orientation. Then I gotta take time away from my life to try to straighten (or unstraighten as the case may be) them out.

So long... farewell ... etc etc

I think it's wonderful that people made a group, got on a sim, created an immersive world using SL as the gateway, and had dramas there.

I'm going to take Annette's side in this drama because, as she so eloquently phrased it, "she was fucking *there* more than anybody*.

Annette, don't pay attention to all the cynical robots that hate immersive worlds, view themselves as far above and outside them, and just want to make stuff for you to buy and cynically extract your money.

These are the people making the scaffolding of this world of worlds with brutal and nasty cynicism and hatred. They take pleasure in poking fun at your style and your faith in the immersive world you have created. Ignore them. Just walk around the robots.

I like the Forest sim. The shop there has some really inventive stuff I haven't seen anywhere else inworld. I even like the artwork, but then again I'm an artist so I look more at technique than content....aw, hell, I'm a kinky motherf*cker, I can't lie, I dig it all.

Only thing that makes me sad is I often get ignored if I ask questions there (like "Wow, that's a great animation, where did you get it from?", I assume because I'm not a furry. But if there's griefing there from anti-furry peeps then I can understand why some might be less than enthusiastic about starting a conversation with me Would it help if I wore kitty ears while I was there?

Are cats allowed in the sandbox? Because, well... you know...

It would be nice if some people on this thread would be able show the same level of tolerance and respect toward furry community that they expect for themselves.

I love my tiger avatar and I really like how furry community developed its own culture and strong community. I don't know if I qualify to be considered one furry, given that I am not always playing as tiger. But I would consider this association one honor.

Concerning The Forest, it is true that I agreed to take care of the sim. We are currently waiting for Lindens to do the transfer. It came as big surprise that I was offered this opportunity.

My motivation is to preserve The Forest as what it is now: one fun place for all furries, managed by furries for the furries. All staff, management and rules will stay in place.

Because The Forest is kinda crowded now I will also add one new sim, that will be zoned as residential furry sim: Tiger Creek. This sim will connect to The Forest on one side and "Ansheland" on the other side. In Tiger Creek members of furry community will be able to buy or rent land at same conditions as in other residential sims I manage

Once sim has been transfered there will be absolutely zero tolerance for griefers. People who harass minorities are not welcome in any sim or estate that I manage in SL. Banishment for little griefer minds will be swift and professional and really really undramatic. Mmmm, yes. Your uBerZ paRticlEZ griEfaZ bomBaZ device won't impress me. You are simply one little looser who would never cut it HERE

You can't even say there is a universal "furry" group. Can't judge someone by their skin, right? Some people wear human skins, some robot/mecha, some non-human (alien, animal, cell-shaded, etc.)

how people act is the relevant characteristic

I happen to be entirely PG within SL (save for occasional cursing at bugs ), but I like the fact that Second Life offers freedom of action/indulgence for ALL types. Freedom and tolerance.

Anshe,


I always admire your ability to exploit any and everything for your own personal gain while pretending to do it all for "the children", "the community", "the furries", the poor", "the immigrants", etc. Why not be real and just admit your do everything to line your greedy pockets? You might gain the respect of someone besides Prokofy.


Tiger. LMAO.

People should be able to indulge their ideas as they wish.. all the furries are actually humans and adults on the other side of the screen. So insults based on the animal related stuff dont really belong. People who like to be Furries are entitled to the same respect and freedom as any one else.

As far as attacking Sims .. these are exploits and hateful. The mere fact that people use scripts to WAR on sims and other players is not right.

If people want to use the non exploit weapons/guns to shoot each other , then that should be in areas where the land owner expressly gives permission. And outside groups should be civil before "invading" and find out if their presence is welcome.

As to Anshe buying the sim, zoning it and offering to curb on disruptive outsiders interfering .. what is wrong with that? If she makes a profit , theres nothing wrong with that either. If she charges to much or makes rules they dont like , people will move. There is ultimate freedom of survival in Second Life after all, since you cant starve or die of exposure.

- Anshe speaks
- random user says Anshe is evil
- I doubt anybody care

I respect Anshe too. Have for awhile. Just because she profits from trying to see what it is exactly that people want... well I can't see anything wrong with that, why do you?

If you are having a problem moving on from the past then there is help out there.

A friend in need,

Yay! The Flying Monkeys came in right on queue to protect and serve! Good job minions!


My only issue is the faux community service aspect, don't hide behind good deeds, when its completely not true. The shit is so transparent, anyone not brainwashed or paid can see it.

We're off to see the wizard! The wonderful wizard of De'Forest!!! And hey is that a guised attack on Furries again??? HUH HUH !! oopidstay.

So, suppose Anshe is evil, but doing things people like so they use her services and give her their money.
That still beats a good hearted person who doesn't do anything (there's plenty of those).

And evil is cool anyway ; woot Anshe ! (send the check to the usual address)

Just the other week She offered $20,000L to help buy up 16 meter parcels and GIVE them to the neighbors so their property would be safe from griefers and to improve their quality of Second Life. $80 US real money .. by all accounts she can afford it, but sure seems not the actions of someone only out to bleed the peasants dry.

So her discussing the community AND her business involvement with it now, doesnt seem out of place.

As to the flying monkeys comment , never met Anshe , and im not in SL for any sort of business goal. Im not part of the Furry community either. But i just dont see why anything in her post in this thread was objectionable.

If you dont buy her personal comments .. remember, companies make community related gestures all the time. The world would be a lesser place if they didnt.

I think maybe past actions must color how you see it. But questioning someone's motives on the forums with no constructive input to the purpose of the thread doesnt seem like a good way to persuade people who dont already think Anshe is evil to change their mind to your way of thinking.

Actually I had asked people not to leave things up..but when you're not there all day...hehe I prefered if people at the least did it on the back deck where it was fenced in and you had to try to 'look' to see, or better inside the house next to the pr0n tv. heh

But don't forget. Before my house there was, and still is, I might point out, Luskwood. Don't forget the Luskies. A fun place to hang, kick back.

Its not because your not furry. it is just how some furs there are. HELL I even get treated that way and im a Furry. It does make me fel bad when i ask someone somthing and they refuse to answer me. I kept seing people with sheilding devices i wanted to protect myself from griefers with. Everytime the devices spouted green text i would ask the owner where i could buy one. THey didnt answer I even looked it up in search. About 3 months later i stumbled onto the person who created the device and bought one directly from a link in there profile-Picks. So yes... If you go to the forest seeking answers prepare to be disopointed. I would have to say from experiance that only 40% of the people i meet there would help a person out if it doesn't require them to dig through there Vortex (inventory) or search for it.


As for anshe, i recently sent in a thing in her website to sell a 6k sq m parcel i have in thunberg and its been almost 2 days and no answer. if another day goes by im just gonna hit the SELL button for something like 50k Linden.

Right on. I'm generally off in my own world anyway - I've made a concerted effort to chat more inworld with people - so I can relate to the "I'm just not talking to anyone, thanks" mindset. Does make me feel better tho that its general and not just due to fuzz or lack thereof

becuase of the way the chat system is ive noticed it can be hard to focus on more than one channel at a time.

If you and your friends are having a fun discussion in a group IM channel, you simply DONT see the "local stuff" until you bring the history up.

and .. if you walk up to a bunch of people in a fun discussion, it can sometimes be they wont see you there.< hard to tell in SL since you can talk in IM (on the phone as it were) without any visible signs.>

its off topic here , but , the chat sytem could use a bit of work someday.
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Something more like whats used in EVE, EQ 2 or Anarchy online , would be nice.

Deifintely a better way to see local chat without blocking up the botom of your veiw .. an easier to use way to IM your friends and still move around, and an easier what to see how many IMs are pending you havent checked without having to expand the IM box across the whole screen.

>> none of the other games/worlds i have played have had an ignore feature .. this id love. Especially since people on your friends list can Teleport and chase you down without even asking.
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anyhow back on topic i doubt the furries ignore people more then any other talkative (in IM's) group would.

I like the chat system in AO. But i think the one in Horizons is a little better. Its 1 small window with tabs that flash when new content is in a channel, and IM's pop in as a tab after the others. It uses a normal size font and uses nice visable text colors for each thing. Each serverwide channel even had a list of the people in it just like in IRC. You can even change the IM's to popup in windows if you wish. I personally dont want to be in a battle and have IMs blocking my view though so i keep it all in tabs. I guess its not just furrs that ignore you but it sure does feel like it. I too dislike having my screen filled with text. When they added the transparent background behind it, that was both a good and bad thing. While it does help you to see the text easier, it blocks your screen even more. So yes we do need a movable chat window thats able to become transparent with tabs hehe. The history window is helpfull but it tends to also block view cuz you cant make it transparent.

I think the final (I suppose current) chat in AO was good since it allowed you to talk in many channels at once and ignore Huge doses of spam (fighting messages) during the conversation, And of course even move around an see - since you were fighting.

I didnt try horizons.

But i would think a chat system along those lines would be good becuase you dont really fight in SL (least i never do) .. and therefore youd really have a lot of control over messages.

As far as seeming its mroe furries .. is maybe becuase you spend a lot of time around Frurry people int he game?

Also furry's in "normal" areas tend to attract enough attention that they dont get ignored as much. least till they are friends then they get ignored like everyone else. =p

Ya know, I'm a furry. I wear a furry avatar pretty much all the time, except when I'm designing vehicles (The attachments can get in the way). I go all over as a furry. I never have problems or attract much attention.

I have never called Anshe evil. Self serving and greedy is not Evil. The fact that she belittled Furries the same way she has belittled other minorities in this game seems to fly under the radar, if people are too blind to see it, ohh well. If I see it I will point it out.

And I can point out count less examples of Anshe that counter this claim "but sure seems not the actions of someone only out to bleed the peasants dry.", including my own personal experience with her.

I can and will continue to question anyones motive in any manner within the TOS as I please. You can continue to defend Anshe if you please. I will not look at her actions in SL with rose colored lenses, you can choose to if you so please.

K Eboni ,

you said greedy and dishonest rather than evil.

She may actually in truth sometimes play as a furry , or not .. I dont know .. so I cant conclude shes belittling their community from just that. Sounded more like a attempt to compliment it. AND if it is only a business type goodwill sentimental statement, it still didnt sound like belittling. though claiming kinship with a group that someone doesnt belong to even in a casual way would be less that honest , not necessarily belittling.

And of course you can say things the way youd like. My point was that saying people were flying monkeys and brainwashed wasnt a good way to convince people to change their minds.

In the end tho .. this change will help the Forest from getting attacked? If so thats a good thing, reguardless of her motivation. Since it was the original poster's grievance.

I have little desire to change people opinions, most peoples opinions are set. I also did no call her dishonest, don't put words in my mouth. Greed is not always negative, greed drives people. Lets just not pretend this is an act of charity nor great understanding, she is just tapping into a new market in SL. Bravo.


Here is an interesting question.

What happens with the Dwell @ The Forest isn't high enough or Anshe can't squeeze enough profit from it and she sells it or destroys it has she has done with projects of the past? Will she still be "for the people, horray!" business girl, or will she be the Anshe we have all come to know over the past several months?

I may or may not be a furry. I don't know. :>

I never get much attention beyond a "Hi" from the old folks and a "Oooh, neat" from the new folks. It don't bother me, I am usually busy RL in the background while I am SL-ing :>