The Forest Sim

I am sorry,
I intepreted that as you meaning she was dishonest .. since "not being real" is being false.

Is thats not what you meant, then indeed you only said she wasnt being real and she was greedy.

Have you smelled the scent of evil Issarkl? Or do you just bandy about that word without personal experience?

Well damn... I want to see what the personal attack against me said...

*note to Jeska*

I do not get offended by this stuff... Do not remove ANY personal attack against me, please. I don't need your protection.



I don't care about the beastieporn... Hell I had never seen such a thing and that in itself is commendable, because there is little I haven't seen before.

You get off to two dogs 69ing each other? that's cool!

I like some weird stuff too... so I understand what it is like to have strange fetishes...

*hugs Verbena*

To yashu if u would have read the very first message i posted this has NOTHING to do with porn or furry porn so get off that subject this is an entire diff subject u dont need protection no one would waste time on bombing ur shitty land no one is hardly there

Heh...

Crow, man, that ain't how you do it. You achieve appointment to jobs of responsibility by being, well, responsible. Your actions do not (from the sound of it anyway) give a warm fuzzy to those who would be in charge of appointments. This goes for anything, not just some game. Anyone looking at you actions would have to ask themselves, what would happen if he was given an order he didn't like as an officer? It may be unfair but life is unfair most of the time.


As far as The Forest is concerned, I like the beach parties that spontaneously appear down by the club. The Forest Store is the centralized location to find a lot of really good avatars and accessories. Yes there are adult items there but there is nowhere near as much as in Pirates Cove or PM's or the dozen or so BDSM/ aquarium shops (why BDSM shops tend to also have aquariums I will never understand). Pot...kettle.. black.

What I don't like about The Forest is the fact it has become a ghetto of sorts. Instead of having furs mingling with others and attending events, showing that furs are just people having fun in costume and bring on a little more acceptance toward furs in general. Instead we have this ghetto, a separate community that tries to isolate itself away from the "mundanes" and easily becomes a target of griefers like w-hat. A furry hangout is one thing but an isolated island that many furs never leave is .. not a good thing in my opinion. Now that Anshe is taking over... well, most furs are dirt poor and I don't see Anche abiding them for very long. Not that I blame her, LL land tiers have to come from somewhere. For instance, the Forest store rented space at $50L per month and that could be held off until the end of the month, I seriously doubt Anche is going to keep that policy very long at all. Also I think the land was given to furs and I know Anche isn't into free land (that was the plan Spade told me at the beginning anyway).


As far as furies not talking to you, it is a syndrome that is pretty common among newbies caused by 1 not seeing the chat because they are talking in IM or digging in their inventory and are not good at multitasking, 2 self-conscious about walking around as a furry character, especially around non-furs. Many times their home made avatar is not so polished and they are rather shy around people they don't know. (I know I was with my first.. horrible, clumsy avatar) 3 because of the chat system, sometimes you don't realize someone is talking to you and not someone else.

If you see me in The Forest or around SL, I will be happy to help you anyway I can, if I ignore you it isn't on purpose.

Mmmm, well, I really don't know what Eboni's problem is.

All I can say is that I enjoy roleplaying. I have done so since several years now in different games. I have played elves and humans, but also cat like Vah Shir, bird like Aracoix or little fairies. This still doesn't make me one furry in strict sense. But I also never claimed that.

Of course I am working here, providing service and trying to earn money for my risk and time. So do the Lindens. So did Walt Disney. So do a lot of people in Second Life. I have never made secret of this.

For Second Life I believe in themed regions, cultures and diversity. Places that are unique, different and with their own customs. The furry community is strong and has one culture that sets it apart. I believe there is chance to build something that many people will enjoy, furries and their friends. For this reason I agreed to invest in The Forest when it was offered to me and will try to grow the furry region. And of course I hope to make money and not loose money as community service provider.

But independent of all of this, not related to things like investment, vision and so on, I am also one person with my own believe system of what is right and what is wrong. Those who know me better know that I am pretty consistent, persistent and at times close to suicidal when it come to sticking to this. And griefing or ridiculing people for their culture or lifestyles is something that goes 100% against what I believe in.

Hmmm, Anshe. I'll be honest, me and you have generally had nothing but good dealings over the time I've beeen on SL, but....I'm gonna have to pick you apart on this one.

For one, we all know you play SL for the cash. Yer a businessgirl. Awsome, wish I could do the same. It is sort of insulting though, when you try to veil our newest "acquisition" in the wonderful banter of "doing it for the community". Yer just trying to get into a new market...Heck, I know, cause I remember suggesting to you a few months back, to make a private furry sim!

Also, the fact that money is even a consideration in your thinking shows, that you aren't doing this for The Forest as a labour of love. If that sim goes for a few months without paying for itself.......we all know it'll get sold.

Three, and this is a warning to you, m'dear. Brace yerself for the drama. Furryworld has it, about 100x worse than anything.

Good luck in your new venture though!

Eboni, we met once, if only briefly. You were very nice to me. Did you get the impression, that I was brainwashed or in Anshe's pay? The only business connection I ever had with her, was, that I bought some land from her.

I find it funny, when a business woman like you seems to rule out the possibility completely, that a successfull, smart and cunning - and yes, 'tough' - business 'girl' (or woman or man) does something, that IS of value to a greater community and still make a profit. Do you really see a contradiction there? Why?

Do I really have to loose money on something, don't get paid for it or ... to have it seen as being something "good" maybe even something that others could be thankful for - even though I get paid for it? I don't believe this.

I was an executive in a medium sized software company for a long time. I owned part of it. I got payed for it, got payed good, very good, and had my share of the profits, too. Is there no reason for all the people I employed, which learned from me, which grew with me, for all the customers for which we did projects that were 'much more' than they expected (and we worked much harder, than they paid for - me included) to be thankful? There are a lot of people, who would say "No, why? You did get paid for it!" Sorry, I dont see it that way! And I still like to express my gratitude to all my employees, contractors etc. in addition to what i pay them ... and no, its not just politeness. I feel that gratitude.

Wow, *Eboni* is calling somebody self-serving and greedy? Huh??? Yeesh, I guess they have never been to the river banks of Moraine LOL.

I've seen Anshe in her cat furry outfit even when she wasn't "making a sale" or something and I think she genuinely enjoys empathizing with customers and helping to make things happen for them, projects and communities. Once Anshe made a group for Russian speakers, spending $100 herself on a group and finding other speakers and inviting me to be officer -- she did that not because she'd find enough of us to make a sim, but just while she was making other foreign-language groups because it's fun. Unfortunately I just had too many groups to keep it up, but I think anyone who goes to the trouble of trying to help organize others' communities -- it is very hard work! should be applauded, not slammed.

People slamming her have no idea what goes into trying to make a sim or sims in a themed community like this work.

I also don't understand why furries can't sequester themselves off in a private immersive world if they want to. I'm for having that freedom in this game, without other people pompously and imperiously intruding and telling them they are "just in a costume" and "need to mingle with the others for their own good" and "come out of IMs".

Just like I said in the town meeting discussion at Pathfinder's: why is this always about a world for *your imagination* but *my adaptation to your imagination*? I want it to be a world *for my imagination, too*.

I worry about what it means with all kinds of sects and cults and grouplets sequestering themselves off on various private servers. I think this is actually what will happen when you make the code open source -- you will have only given the substrate to make a million closed societies which eventually onl become warring principalities and tyrannical fiefdoms.

But if you don't allow people to make their immersive world, then you've defeated the whole purpose.

To be fair i dont think Eboni said that the Furry community shouldnt have its own themed area .. Instead questioned the community service type message.

Still you do have a good point Profsky .. people should be allowed to have themed communities on their private land. And an immersive experience is important. They deserve to be free of attacks by script wielding raiders.

I suppose it would be up to the communities themselves to get more involved with the rest of Second Life so as to to become insular. Becuase they certainly should be entiltled to their privacy.

Shadowbane

Verkin and I were commenting one day while in SB about how it would be nice sometimes if you could send annoyances in SL back to their tree
If anyone thinks SL has forum drama, well, there's no comparison to the pure mudslinging that goes on in the UBI forums

Someone Set Up Us The Bomb Move Every Zig For Great Justice!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN'T WRITE IN ALL CAPS FLIP!!! YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT!!!



hehe

I have. Maybe not high calliber evil, but I had a taste. It wasn't cool for me ; but evil is still cool in our culture. If it wasn't why do we put cool or charismatic vilains in our movies ?

Because who would really go to see a movie about a dull, droll, lifeless villan?

I don't know you very well anshe since i have never met you in person. Ive only roamed over land you were selling and never baught any since it was kinda pricey hehe. but from reading this forum i still dont have a clue...

I don't like hanging out in the forest cuz it feels like the place is dying. Honestly anshe what would you do to bring some attention to the community and keep this sim from being killed off? I don't want it to become a stupid mall. God knows we have enough malls and clubs in SL as it is.... I would have the sim moved to connect to the mainland or other sims so more people will wander in and hang out. I would also change the buildings and layout. Those brick walls look too medeival and furcadian for me. I would also actually host events in the sim if i owned it. But i dont make enough real life cash to buy the sim. When we have DJ's everyone gathers there to dance, but we need more then just DJ's. For a while there was a tringo game but its become a wasteland now. Many furs refuse to hang out in the forest anymore cuz of there dislikeing of the rules or the FPD. When i bring up the map and search for my friends there scattered all over the world instead of being in groups like they used to.

If you decide to sell the sim i just hope the people that had venders there will find a new place for them. There was some really talanted creators selling there wares there. I just now joined the forest store group, i was about to put up my vendor too when i found out the place was being sold off. I am currently in the process of making feral avatars with poser animations that took a week to make and tons of uploads to get them right. And yiffy, i totally agree with you about the ignoring thing. I get it alot. Probably more then you. But for me its probably cuz im less then 4ft tall and they dont take me seriusly or dont see me cuz there so tall. For those who don't know me, my avatar looks like sonic the hedgehog's little fox buddy "Tails" except im a arctic fox and i have a 3rd tail. Well i guess il end this post now. i talk too much... >.>

This is why I never visited or went to the Forest if I could help it. Issolation is not good to the furry comunity at large, or for fostering relations with the rest of SL.

I went there a total of 7 times, for maybe a total time of 10-15 minutes. It left a bad taste in my mouth beacuse it was, by nature of being a 'private' sim, not condusive to a comunity, IMO.

And now it's been sold out to who, the 2nd biggest baron in SL? And ya know what I say, more power to her I've never had any conflict with her.

I have no issue with performing a service and turning a profit. Anshe by her past actions has proven that she is all about turning a profit. She has also proven through her use of the "n-word" and other colorful language (whores and prostitutes and the like), that she is entirely willing to exploit any and everyone to turn a profit and the furry community will be no different. I found her comments hollow, contrived and exploitive in nature.

If she can not find a way to profit she will destroy the sim as it currently stands as she has destroyed sims in the past. She has proven this over and over and over again and it is well documented in forums. The contradiction here in Anshe's involvement, her past actions have proven it. I won't fall for the kinder, gentler Anshe act.

I had a couple questions about all this if no one minds ...

First, is the community of The Forest seperate from the Luskwood furries? I saw a few posts about people wanting other furry communities, but Luskwood, which from what I saw, is still a bustling vibrant community and it doesn't seem to be mentioned much.

Second, was the Forest ever completed? I mean, after reading all this I went there the other night to poke around (I dabble in furriness) but the name 'The Forest' seems misleading as the sim doesn't seem very foresty. It look like any other sim with a club, a mall, a few houses and scattered park areas thrown up like an afterthought. From the name I had expected far more in the way of an enchanted magical place with all manner of furries. I expected something rather like, mm I forgot the name of the sim, it's just above Gualala, very sylvan.

I'm just asking because, as I said, I like to dabble in furriness at times and I wanted to understand the major furry groups and all.

Try tagging along with a bunch of furs on a RL furry camping trip, and it'll become pretty clear why the "Forest" was built the way it was.

This relates to the whole "There are an infinite number of "types" of Furry" issue.

Luskwood and The Forest are connected in that both are communities largely composed of furry types of one form or another.

But they aren't officialy connected, and the crowd that gathers at each tends to be composed of different sorts of people, with a few people like me either not being involved in either much, or being slightly involved in both.

The whole "furry community" as such is actually only united by the outward trappings: Within the 'community' there are views and ways of life that range from one end of the spectrum to another, and a few places not even ON the spectrum. This isn't just about sex, it's about a lot of things. Pretty much any issue you can think of, you can find a fur that takes every possible viewpoint on it. There are statistical clusterings, IE there tend to be a lot of furs that are good artists, and there are a lot of furs who are really heavily into the sexual aspects of furrydom... But that doesn't mean all furries are artists, or all furries are into the sexual aspects. Repeat this for any 'subset' of the furry community.

Luskwood tends to attract certain types of furries, The Forest tends to attract others, etc.

So, as a long way of answering your question... No, the two groups are not really connected.

I attended a meeting earlier with Anshe and some of the other furs on the forest. The jist of the meeting is the previous owner could not afford the tiers and transfered ownership to Anshe. Anshe has stated she is adopting a policy to keep things as they are for the near term and wants the residents and current officers to run the island as they have been. So, the big picture is, not much has changed for now except it is joined with the other AL(Anshe Land) contenent or will be after Tiger Creek sim is ready. For the long term though, that is up in the air, Anshe may sell the sim to another fur or group but that is not anytime soon.

Red, the big difference between Luskwood and The Forest comes down to basically PG and Mature. Luskwood is in a PG sim and the furs there tend to like it that way. The Forest is in a mature island sim and you are likely to find adult content there. It isn't uncommon to find a naked beach party or some adult artwork displayed. The Forest became popular mainly because of the freedom involved in a mature sim, you can say bad words without being reported or take off your clothes to show someone your new skin without worrying about offending someone nearby and getting reported as well.

So spade couldnt afford the sim anymore? I thought maybe he just got fed up with people complaining about and dislikeing how he ran the place. As for luskwood, Like i allready said, i never see anyone there. I see it on the map constantly and with only 3 people there at the most. Thats not enough to call prospuring. I like to flirt so PG sims arent where i belong anyway. >.> I like satu's work in dusun. Thats what i picture the forest to be if i owned it (kelithen or greater faydark'ish). I would rent a treehut there any day.

Oh and some people may not agre with me, but 'Anshe' you may have salved the problem about population in the forest by moving it closer to your sims. I personally allways wanted the forest to NOT be all rogue and alone like it was before. It feelt like a prison or we were hiding fro mthe world or something. Sorry to say if anyone objects, but its for the sim's best. It needs a pick-me-up. As for store fees, i hope you dont charge a lot more then what we were paying before. I have too many things im paying for as it is and L$600 a week is my income. I hope to keep some of it.

Anshe is just a business girl as her forum title suggests. If what people thought of her didn't affect her profits at all, I could guarentee that she wouldn't be so nice. Generally a business person's amount of charity and kindness stops with the money, if they don't think they could profit out of this then they won't do it. I would be willing to bet if the Forest starts to die out in population (which it seems to be since so many furries hate Anshe and are starting to go elsewhere), that all this love for furries that Anshe is trying to pass off on the boards will quickly turn to her leveling all the furry builds and selling housing developments there.

Anshe like any business person is good at manipulation of people, in other words, she knows how to make you like her so you'll continue to give her business and therefore, money. Every large company has a PR (public relations) department, this is the department where a large company donates to charity or other acts of kindness, but this is by far an act of kindness, it's just the company doing a public event so people will see that and say "Well isn't that nice!". Or say, buying a Tiger avatar so the furry public could relate to her. But for every act of kindness there's 5 acts of crushing smaller business, putting people out of the job, betrayal, and so on. The kind of stuff that doesn't get publicized so much.

Sure Anshe does nice things, but you think it really means that much to spend a measely 100L$ on a group, or 20,000 L$ (to her is not a whole hell of a lot) so people will go on the forums and out in the world and talk about how caring and kind she is? That kind of stuff DOES have a price and is useful in the business world. But that's how a Business-woman is, not just Anshe but all of them, all the CEOs of the world, it's a lust for power and there's no kindness, everything they do is in the interest of making more money, and it's not until the veil of kindness tears off that the public realizes this.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Forest ceased to exist soon because of low traffic.

Please quite Second Life now. It is run by one company with one CEO. Oh my! Philip must be one greedy bastard



If The Forest ever ceases to exist, then because of people like you who try to drive people away. I am being constructive, you are being destructive. I invest and work hard while you try trash talk other people, speculate about their motivations and attempt to create one self-fullfilling prophecy. Tell us, how did you contribute to the growth of Second Life?



I am sure if this ever happened you would be first to make one big drama of it.

I am growing one business and creating jobs.

You are trying to sabotage what I am doing, so in fact you try to put people out of jobs. Because ANSHECHUNG.COM no longer is just about one CEO. There are more than 20 people on my payroll now. But I guess that is the true things that never get publicized because won't satisfy any demand for drama