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Consistent Message: SL is/isn't a game

Catherine Cotton
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08-24-2005 21:31
From: Nolan Nash
Nope, this is how it's affecting you. Another "speaker for all" who will now be summarily ignored. :rolleyes:


Good its about damn time too!
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Catherine Cotton
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08-24-2005 21:32
From: Nolan Nash
Nope, this is how it's affecting you. Another "speaker for all" who will now be summarily ignored. :rolleyes:


You should be banned for your behavior in these forums.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
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08-24-2005 21:35
From: Nolan Nash
Nope, this is how it's affecting you. Another "speaker for all" who will now be summarily ignored. :rolleyes:


You're being uncharitable, Nolan. Why, I just flew through a dozen sims, all of them stricken by grief, having learned that SL isn't a game. They were just idling there, miserable, gibbering about their lost game. Obviously it IS the entire player base.

From: Catherine Cotton
You should be banned for your behavior in these forums.


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From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
08-24-2005 21:37
From: Catherine Cotton
You should be banned for your behavior in these forums.


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From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
08-24-2005 21:38
From: Catherine Cotton
Weedy I could not agree with you more. Now what if next week LL says this is not a marketing tool? If sl is a game or not is realy not the point entirely that I am trying to make here. I used myself and my experiences in sl as examples as they are cold hard facts. Lets take all of this talk about if its a game or not a game out of the equasion for now. I have a couple of questions that have gone unanswered;

1) ok its not a game, how will LL market this product now? Since historicaly they have presented it in their marketing as a game on such sites as mmorpg.com and such. Its still listed on mmorpg.com under "real life" not simulation not fantasy etc.

2) this bold move in my opinion only divides the community, gamer vs non gamer. How is this good for any part of the community?

For me the bottom line is you take the word game out and that automaticaly removes the world fun from what SL is. I cringed today while playing something else while I referred to it as a game. That is how this is affecting the player base. We have to be careful as not to call it a game around the Lindens now. Sillyness, stupid, and bad business all come to mind. I just do not for the life of me see how alienating any part of SL from it's self will in the end be good for LL business or in world business.

Cat


Nobody suggested you cannot use the word game, or make SL a game unto yourself.

Lindens have made a marketing decision. From what I see, it's working quite well. Subscribership is on the rise and the world expands. Why should you be losing sleep over a stupid word thats absent from a marketing strategy? Alienation? I don't think so.

Aligning yourself with so-called victims of a LL decision, who might be disappointed because they came here expecting a game, frankly is preposterous.
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
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08-24-2005 21:51
From: Catherine Cotton
How would you feel if someone dismissed your posts, feeling or thoughts?

Some of us are not yet ready to get over what we feel is one of the biggest errors in judgement in the short history of SL.

Give respect to get respect.

Cat


People are entitled to listen to what I have to say, or to dismiss it. Likewise, I don't make a BFD when someone does. I don't feel the need to be the victim of what I, or others say.
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-24-2005 21:52
I've reported Enabran, and if much more of this carries on, I will report others who are doing it.

Here is what the TOS says:

"Be respectful. Please challenge opinions, state your own and enjoy the discussion, but do not cross the line into personal attacks and insults because you will risk having your Second Life account suspended or banned."

And that is what I expect from you as well. Your comments about me have crossed this line and amount to defamation of character, and I've had it with it. That is, several of you have.

If you can't stick to the ideas involved, then expect to find yourself reported every time from now on.

coco
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Jauani Wu
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08-24-2005 21:57
From: Catherine Cotton
You should be banned for your behavior in these forums.


i think panda went to bed so ...

LOL FIC
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
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08-24-2005 22:02
How about this: all ya'll are idiots.

Now for a more piquant question:
Kim Anubis
The Magician
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08-24-2005 22:13
mmm now I want a burger.
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Lianne Marten
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08-24-2005 22:18
"And the scavengers, sensing imminent thread death, flock around and begin picking at and pestering the remains, hoping to hasten the inevitable."
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Jillian Callahan
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08-24-2005 22:28
From: Lianne Marten
"And the scavengers, sensing imminent thread death, flock around and begin picking at and pestering the remains, hoping to hasten the inevitable."
This made me laugh harder than, perhaps, it should have. :D
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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08-24-2005 22:33
From: Ardith Mifflin
How about this: all ya'll are idiots.

Now for a more piquant question:


omfg, I love that Burger King dude. Crispin Porter + Bogusky is the best ad agency on earth -- even better than BBDO, which does the FedEx stuff.

From: Cocoanut Koala
I've reported Enabran, and if much more of this carries on, I will report others who are doing it.


Seriously, do you want a cookie or something? Stop making such a spectacle of yourself and you wouldn't hear the sorts of truthful remarks that seem to bother you so much.
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From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Jauani Wu
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08-24-2005 22:36
From: Cocoanut Koala
I've reported Enabran, and if much more of this carries on, I will report others who are doing it.

Here is what the TOS says:


LOL
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-24-2005 23:01
Do you want to hear some "truthful" remarks about yourself?

I could give you some. You would not like it.

Just because a person thinks the insult he is delivering is the "truth" and the character assassination is deserved doesn't mean it is allowed under the TOS.

And you think you can get out of this by claiming I brought it on myself? By "making a spectacle" of myself? What do you think you are doing with yourself here, and in other threads? You are at fault here; not me.

Or do you get some free pass to give whatever low opinion you feel like giving of someone then ask arrogantly if they "want a cookie."

Just who do you think you are, anyway?

Stop insulting me; stop making personal comments about me; and stop with those logos and theories.

coco
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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08-24-2005 23:14
From: Cocoanut Koala
Do you want to hear some "truthful" remarks about yourself?

I could give you some.


I really wish you'd make good on this threat already. You've been promising to do so for God knows how long.

If you don't want your suffering and martyrdom to be a topic of discussion, don't bring it up in every single thread. Plain and simple. Otherwise, don't be surprised if someone calls you out for boring them to death with the same topics over and over.
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Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Jauani Wu
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08-24-2005 23:19
ps. And, by the way - I think you need to get a life.
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Siggy Romulus
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08-24-2005 23:20
I think some ppl need a lil nap.
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I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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08-24-2005 23:22
From: Jauani Wu
ps. And, by the way - I think you need to get a life.


/me sulks dramatically
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From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Cocoanut Koala
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08-24-2005 23:27
I gave an example of how I too was spoken down to when I first got on the forums and called this game a game, which was germaine to the topic, and merely a sentence or two in a lengthy post. I mentioned how that turned me off, but didn't RUN me off, as such an onslaught might have done to other players, and apparently DID to someone in a welcome spot..

You respond by taking the opportunity to portray me with this suffering and martyrdom crap which is an incessant and gratuitous assassination of character and I am sick of it. I expect the Lindens to protect me from this kind of harrassment from you. I've put up with it for quite a while now, and brushed off most of it, but now it is time for it to end.

I can include a sentence in one of my posts about what I have experienced without you getting carte blanche to characterize me as a suffering martyr.

I can write my posts on here without having you come around with drawings to make fun of me.

I have every right to be on here as you do. And just as every other player, I have the right to be on here without constantly suffering the derision, insults, and character assassination from you.

I won't put up with it; I want it to stop; and I expect it to stop.

I'll be happy to make good on the threat to you inworld to give you a few truths of my own, but not on these boards.

When, some time ago, I contacted you in world with the idea that we might get to know each other and if we didn't become friends, you could at least come to understand me as the reasonable and friendly human that I am, and we could reach some kind of rapport, or at least an understanding. But you said you thought maybe you disliked the "coy Coco" more than the one on the forums. So I dropped it.

Now that's fine. I really don't care. It's your loss, and your blindness.

But what I DO care about is that you stop harrassing me on these forums. If you find what I am saying boring, then just don't comment. But quit with the gratuitious insults, personal attacks, and character assassinations.

coco
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Enabran Templar
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08-24-2005 23:33
From: Cocoanut Koala
But what I DO care about is that you stop harrassing me on these forums. If you find what I am saying boring, then just don't comment. But quit with the gratuitious insults, personal attacks, and character assassinations.


So if I call this exaggeration, is that an insult, a personal attack or a character assasination?
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From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Jauani Wu
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08-24-2005 23:38
From: Cocoanut Koala
When, some time ago, I contacted you in world with the idea that we might get to know each other and if we didn't become friends, you could at least come to understand me as the reasonable and friendly human that I am, and we could reach some kind of rapport, or at least an understanding. But you said you thought maybe you disliked the "coy Coco" more than the one on the forums. So I dropped it.


well finally a real tos violation to lock this thread! nice work coco! :)
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
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08-25-2005 00:07
From: Cocoanut Koala
I gave an example of how I too was spoken down to when I first got on the forums and called this game a game, which was germaine to the topic, and merely a sentence or two in a lengthy post. I mentioned how that turned me off, but didn't RUN me off, as such an onslaught might have done to other players, and apparently DID to someone in a welcome spot..

You respond by taking the opportunity to portray me with this suffering and martyrdom crap which is an incessant and gratuitous assassination of character and I am sick of it. I expect the Lindens to protect me from this kind of harrassment from you. I've put up with it for quite a while now, and brushed off most of it, but now it is time for it to end.

I can include a sentence in one of my posts about what I have experienced without you getting carte blanche to characterize me as a suffering martyr.

I can write my posts on here without having you come around with drawings to make fun of me.

I have every right to be on here as you do. And just as every other player, I have the right to be on here without constantly suffering the derision, insults, and character assassination from you.

I won't put up with it; I want it to stop; and I expect it to stop.

I'll be happy to make good on the threat to you inworld to give you a few truths of my own, but not on these boards.

When, some time ago, I contacted you in world with the idea that we might get to know each other and if we didn't become friends, you could at least come to understand me as the reasonable and friendly human that I am, and we could reach some kind of rapport, or at least an understanding. But you said you thought maybe you disliked the "coy Coco" more than the one on the forums. So I dropped it.

Now that's fine. I really don't care. It's your loss, and your blindness.

But what I DO care about is that you stop harrassing me on these forums. If you find what I am saying boring, then just don't comment. But quit with the gratuitious insults, personal attacks, and character assassinations.

coco


Always the victim.
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Nolan Nash
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08-25-2005 00:43
'ello

my name is Simon and I like to do drawrings.
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
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08-25-2005 00:49
From: Nolan Nash
'ello

my name is Simon and I like to do drawrings.


Did you look at my bum?

You bum looker, you!
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