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Unhygienix Gullwing

I banged Pandastrong

Join date: 26 Jun 2004

Posts: 728

12-22-2004 15:23

Aimee, lo, panda,

I think that most would agree with you that Taco crossed the line when he posted the pics, not so much when he was just looking or maybe taking snapshots for his own amusement.

Aimee, I have to disagree that upskirt shots of your av would be slander, since they would accurately (if unflatteringly) portray what your av actually looked like. Slander is specifically reserved to refer to false and malicious/damaging information about another person. It would be slander if he titled the photo something like, "This slut got so turned on when I showed her these photos, she asked me to go private with her and give it to her real good", since I'm sure that you are not a slut, nor would you have reacted in such a way after seeing those types of photos. Something defamatory, however, if accurate or true, might not be considered a Violation of The Rules, nor perhaps (PERHAPS, mind you) should it. In the end, if you have the power to have a photo of your av (taken, posted, owned by another), because you think that it is damaging to you in some way, then we apparently have some sorts of "rights" over images of our avs, even if we did not take the images. I'm interested to see how this is furthered.

Also:

What if the images were completely non-sexual, but somehow made fun of the avs or showed them in an unflattering light? I don't know, let's say that Taco would move his av next to another, pull out a sign with a really clever saying and an arrow ("Eats their own farts"

that points to the av, and then snaps a photo. He posts the images, and some of the "captured" people object that their avatar was defamed, shown in a poor light. Should he have to take these photos down?

Jauani Wu

pancake rabbit

Join date: 7 Apr 2003

Posts: 3,835

12-22-2004 17:32

From: pandastrong Fairplay

Agreed Jauni. I was comparing the 2 under the strictest and most base sense of language and image as representation of thought within a representative media.

my problem with using the analogy of language is that the images in question are not representations of thought. i find it to be a misuse of the word image when prescribed to the content of taco's gallery. they are virtual as founds. it's the bringing them together as an installation to experience that it emerges as a representation.

From: someone

Or comprimising the "freedoms" of one individual to uphold certain social standards of morality?

that is exactly what this discussion was about. that was the question posed by the installation. what should the social standards be when you navigate a virtual world where the body is merely refered to but is not present.

i think everyone who is arguing nothing more than that taco actions were "inconsiderate of others feelings," should just drop off this thread. i think everyone on every side of this debate, including taco himself admits that this was the case. someone putting up a big glowing green spinning cube with falshing textures and a landscanner script next to my land would upset me. but it would not be against the rules. nor would it be wrong. just inconsiderate.

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Ferran Brodsky

Better living through rum

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12-22-2004 17:34

comming soon to a PG sim near you!

Candid up-pants photos! SHOCKING!

Siggy Romulus

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12-22-2004 17:42

hehe noone can exploit me! I beat em to the punch months before all this:

do a find for 'My Ass' -- Home of the smellovision!

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pandastrong Fairplay

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12-22-2004 19:56

From: Jauani Wu

my problem with using the analogy of language is that the images in question are not representations of thought. i find it to be a misuse of the word image when prescribed to the content of taco's gallery. they are virtual as founds. it's the bringing them together as an installation to experience that it emerges as a representation.

The topic is so self-refrential that the opposite can be argued. It is hard to assume that photography or the emulation of photography within SL is found art, unless it is purposefully done so as dada. I will make that leap of faith that there was indeed an intention behind Taco's actions, and conclude his actions were representative of his intentions. By actions, I mean the process as a whole. The fact that others have seen and know of the images is implied when I claim that images are representative of thought. I guess that I was not specific enough on that point?

From: Jauani Wu

that is exactly what this discussion was about. that was the question posed by the installation. what should the social standards be when you navigate a virtual world where the body is merely refered to but is not present.

If the body is merely refered to, then that is enough. It's refreential nature allows for abuse and harassment as the true disconnect is not absolute to every player within SL. If I say "your mom is a hobag", but I have never met your mom and she truly does not exist to me aside from my initial reference to her, it is still blantantly obvious that my intention was to insult or harass.

From: Jauani Wu

i think everyone who is arguing nothing more than that taco actions were "inconsiderate of others feelings," should just drop off this thread. i think everyone on every side of this debate, including taco himself admits that this was the case. someone putting up a big glowing green spinning cube with falshing textures and a landscanner script next to my land would upset me. but it would not be against the rules. nor would it be wrong. just inconsiderate.

Not sure if you are referring to my comments, but I have pinpointed my opinions to more than "inconsiderate of others feelings". His actions were sexist and harassing, and therefore can be interpreted as against the rules.

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"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."

~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media

"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.

Taco Rubio suspended for 3 days according to source.
Unhygienix Gullwing I banged Pandastrong Join date: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 728	12-22-2004 15:23 Aimee, lo, panda, I think that most would agree with you that Taco crossed the line when he posted the pics, not so much when he was just looking or maybe taking snapshots for his own amusement. Aimee, I have to disagree that upskirt shots of your av would be slander, since they would accurately (if unflatteringly) portray what your av actually looked like. Slander is specifically reserved to refer to false and malicious/damaging information about another person. It would be slander if he titled the photo something like, "This slut got so turned on when I showed her these photos, she asked me to go private with her and give it to her real good", since I'm sure that you are not a slut, nor would you have reacted in such a way after seeing those types of photos. Something defamatory, however, if accurate or true, might not be considered a Violation of The Rules, nor perhaps (PERHAPS, mind you) should it. In the end, if you have the power to have a photo of your av (taken, posted, owned by another), because you think that it is damaging to you in some way, then we apparently have some sorts of "rights" over images of our avs, even if we did not take the images. I'm interested to see how this is furthered. Also: What if the images were completely non-sexual, but somehow made fun of the avs or showed them in an unflattering light? I don't know, let's say that Taco would move his av next to another, pull out a sign with a really clever saying and an arrow ("Eats their own farts" that points to the av, and then snaps a photo. He posts the images, and some of the "captured" people object that their avatar was defamed, shown in a poor light. Should he have to take these photos down?
Jauani Wu pancake rabbit Join date: 7 Apr 2003 Posts: 3,835	12-22-2004 17:32 From: pandastrong Fairplay Agreed Jauni. I was comparing the 2 under the strictest and most base sense of language and image as representation of thought within a representative media. my problem with using the analogy of language is that the images in question are not representations of thought. i find it to be a misuse of the word image when prescribed to the content of taco's gallery. they are virtual as founds. it's the bringing them together as an installation to experience that it emerges as a representation. From: someone Or comprimising the "freedoms" of one individual to uphold certain social standards of morality? that is exactly what this discussion was about. that was the question posed by the installation. what should the social standards be when you navigate a virtual world where the body is merely refered to but is not present. i think everyone who is arguing nothing more than that taco actions were "inconsiderate of others feelings," should just drop off this thread. i think everyone on every side of this debate, including taco himself admits that this was the case. someone putting up a big glowing green spinning cube with falshing textures and a landscanner script next to my land would upset me. but it would not be against the rules. nor would it be wrong. just inconsiderate. _____________________ http://wu-had.blogspot.com/ read my blog Mecha Jauani Wu hero of justice __________________________________________________ "Oh Jauani, you're terrible." - khamon fate
Ferran Brodsky Better living through rum Join date: 3 Feb 2004 Posts: 821	12-22-2004 17:34 comming soon to a PG sim near you! Candid up-pants photos! SHOCKING!
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	12-22-2004 17:42 hehe noone can exploit me! I beat em to the punch months before all this: do a find for 'My Ass' -- Home of the smellovision! _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
pandastrong Fairplay all bout the BANG POW NOW Join date: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,920	12-22-2004 19:56 From: Jauani Wu my problem with using the analogy of language is that the images in question are not representations of thought. i find it to be a misuse of the word image when prescribed to the content of taco's gallery. they are virtual as founds. it's the bringing them together as an installation to experience that it emerges as a representation. The topic is so self-refrential that the opposite can be argued. It is hard to assume that photography or the emulation of photography within SL is found art, unless it is purposefully done so as dada. I will make that leap of faith that there was indeed an intention behind Taco's actions, and conclude his actions were representative of his intentions. By actions, I mean the process as a whole. The fact that others have seen and know of the images is implied when I claim that images are representative of thought. I guess that I was not specific enough on that point? From: Jauani Wu that is exactly what this discussion was about. that was the question posed by the installation. what should the social standards be when you navigate a virtual world where the body is merely refered to but is not present. If the body is merely refered to, then that is enough. It's refreential nature allows for abuse and harassment as the true disconnect is not absolute to every player within SL. If I say "your mom is a hobag", but I have never met your mom and she truly does not exist to me aside from my initial reference to her, it is still blantantly obvious that my intention was to insult or harass. From: Jauani Wu i think everyone who is arguing nothing more than that taco actions were "inconsiderate of others feelings," should just drop off this thread. i think everyone on every side of this debate, including taco himself admits that this was the case. someone putting up a big glowing green spinning cube with falshing textures and a landscanner script next to my land would upset me. but it would not be against the rules. nor would it be wrong. just inconsiderate. Not sure if you are referring to my comments, but I have pinpointed my opinions to more than "inconsiderate of others feelings". His actions were sexist and harassing, and therefore can be interpreted as against the rules. _____________________ "Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game." ~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.

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