Taco Rubio suspended for 3 days according to source.

Hey Siggy, I agree that people have the right to be upset, but being upset doesnt mean that they necessarily deserve any kind of legal recourse or disciplinary action from LL. The key word is "necessarily".

I also agree that Taco should have had consent prior to publishing his exibit, and his Forum post that started this was inviting criticism and possible disciplinary response. No doubt this all has shaken out in the proper way, given the unique nature of SL and the developing guidelines for online behavior and responsibility.

Champie

K let me put it another way...

Someone uses a racial slur against someone containing a cuss word in a PG area...

Is the reason they are being banned because they cussed in a PG area?

Would that be ok in Mature area then?

I think you'll find that the severity of the punishment was based upon all aspects... not just one.

Siggy.

If I may add to your point about the ancients...

There are some fanatastic discoveries being made regarding some of the ancient and recent history of the grid. There has been a great find in Rodeo by Salazar Jack. Marcos Fonzerelli has been working on analysis of the obelisk that was found with an ancient inscription.

I am also doing some work on the recent discoveries and I am not yet able to comment further. However, the knowledge and the wisdom of the ancient grid is being uncovered.

Go to the Montara Bridge East side. There you will find a green news stand with more information.

Champie

My issue with the whole affair was basically with people saying they had no right to be upset -- and I was never one of the ones saying 'hang him by his bollocks and let the vultures pick him'

But I was curious as to see what would happen - only because I'd seen the previous matter... I was curious to see if they would meter out the same action that they did last time.

And having them do so actually comforts me somewhat.

In the sense that you can pretty much know what to expect - that it's not just a whim and random slap down - there is a rhyme and reason out there (if you follow?).

I said in the last thread - I don't even think Taco meant for things to go so far -- it was more than likely a practical joke that seems to have backfired.

Siggy.

Yup, and thats why I was laughing so hard initially.

I agree. But again we aren't sure..so it's not possible to really say a precedent was set. Grimmy could have been punished for disrupting an event, for displaying mature material in a PG area, for taking pics of "secret" pixels without consent or a combination of all three.

However, Taco was suspended for taking pics of "private" pixels without consent and posting them as supposed art in a mature area. Since displaying mature content is ok in mature areas, the issue can be whittled down in Taco's case to the fact that he took the pics of pixels without consent in the first place. Not so with Grimmy. He was doing other activities that are a clear violation of Community Standards and ToS.

Edit: Oh..and a racial slur is covered in ToS and Community Standards. Pixel pics aren't

Siggy, I feel comfortable saying that I think you have approached this issue with the perfect temperment. After participating in and watching this discussion develop I can say that I agree with your statements 100%.

Hiro has an excellent thread regarding the clarity and some possible holes in the CS and TOS. I t is worth reading once or twice to understand how and why issues are/can be handled in SL.

Champie

Where did you find this Nolan?

Champie

The way it was stated in the CC of Taco's message that Blake and Aimee were privy to states:

"...suspended for 3 days for 'sexual harrasment'"

Nothing in there about what type of sim it was in or about "private pixels".

I am sure the methods employed (in this case the anticipatory thread started by Taco, and his subsequent reaction to those offended), just as with Grimmy, were surely considered as well.

I copied it out of my 1968 Signet Books copy of "2001 A Space Odyssey", from chapter one, "Primeval Night". I really enjoyed that chapter a lot as I have often pondered what the ancients would have thought about things they couldn't understand. Simply fascinates me. I just noticed the price on it! 95 cents! Wow, I feel old!

Oh yes, I never read the book, but I know the scene from the movie.

I may need to get a copy just to read the first chapter! Heck, maybe I'll read the whole book.

Thanks Nolan,

Champie

I am trying to put it into a context that you would find offensive.. seeing you can't or won't try and see it from the side of the people being objectified - and thus offended.

In that example would you say that cussing in a PG area would warrent a ban - or perhaps maybe what was said played into it?

I know for a fact what happens if you cuss in a PG area -- you get asked to stop...
People have had mature content taken down in PG sims with a warning too..

It wasn't 'he disruped an event' it was HOW he disrupted an event - it wasn't he posted mature content - it was WHAT that mature content was and how it was obtained.

If not he would have gotten a slap on the wrist or some kinda warning...

This is of course setting aside any and all IM's I got over this as heresay - no matter the source.

The issue is not WHAT he posted, but HOW he obtained it..

If I gave you a random selection of people - some you knew - in compromising positions in SL, would you have published them in your magazine as a 'voyeurs peep special' ?

Serious question.

Siggy.

Although the movie is really really good - the book is really is worth reading.

Ahh..I apologize Siggy, for not making my stance clear. I have stated in the other thread a few times that I would never do what he did, as a matter of politeness and respect. My only argument was as to whether it violated a rule and was thus a punishable offense. Well..and my opinion that it wasn't really anything to get overly upset about, since panties and privates are sold in vendors daily, etc. I can't see it from the "victims" side because I don't share thier views on private pixels, but I do think they have the right to not like it or to be offended, if moral inclined to.



Of course we have no way of knowing if that is the case. You are making assumptions. It could very well have been that he was displaying adult material in a PG sim, or that he had been repeatedly warned about disrupting events and they finally had enough.



I do wish the Lindens would make public the situations and punishments, even if the names are withheld. All we get is the punished persons version and at times, the offended persons version.



If the Lindens told you this, then they violated thier own policies. If not, then I'm afraid it is heresay.



Of course I wouldn't. However, if they were doing those compromising postions in a public place, such as a club, sidewalk, park, etc, I would feel that taking pics of them and displaying such in a mature area would not be against the rules. It wouldn't be polite, and I personally wouldn't do it, but I don't see anything in the ToS to stop me from doing it.

... suspension lifted? ...

The book is more than worth reading, it is a cornerstone of sci-fi writing writen by a fantastic auther. It is a classic and must read (in my view) and so are the other books in the series. I just loved 2010!!! And Fyi, I totally agree the movies, as good as they are cannot hold a candle to the books themselves. They (especially 2001) are not just books, they are an experiance.......

Sorry if this was off topic folks, but I just had to comment on the book..........


"I have never hated a man enough to give his diamonds back." - Zsa Zsa Gabor

ROFLMAO - put both of these together and you get this - Blake is educating us that he likes to post about things he has no idea about, Thanks for the education there, but we already knew

Would it be safe to extrapolate from this "those that can't --- teach"?

heheh

And those that can't teach, teach gym.

Similiar, but let's not forget:

-The event in question was Jeopardy, and I believe it was being hosted in a PG area. Posting these "intimate" pics was certainly less appropriate there than in a Mature sim on private land.

-The previous person, Grimmy, was griefing an event, doing what he could to distract and get in the way of an entire group of other people.

-Grimmy was a previously banned player. He could have simply showed up, started telling people "I know I've got a new name now, but I'm Grimmy and I'm back", and been banned for that. He didn't have to perform any new unwelcome acts in order to be kicked from the grid.


I think that if Taco was suspended, it's a disappointing overreaction to an (at worst) annoying prank. And in the spirit of overreacting, I propose that an informal decency squad form to "help" the Lindens, by reporting any and all incidents of PG-area nudity and panty-less skirt wearing. We, the citizenry of Second Life are daily being assaulted by those who deliberately or neglectfully fail to wear their underwear in PG sims. Nary a skirt will remain unlooked-under, in the quest to force others towards a common standard of morality.

I got the preceeding in a mail from a source that I cannot disclose nor verify the identity of.

Addendum: I have since been informed that Taco is in no way, shape, or form an alt of Blake. I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused Taco, or his family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future. Oh, and Taco is a hoopy frood and is back in game and didn't hang me out a window by my ankles in order to make me post this retraction.

You think Blake is Taco's alt?? Oooh. Hmm.. Hadn't thought of that con-spwicy!

*watches and learns*

My AV is not an alt. I am what I am.

Hands Popeye a can of spinach. Hug ug ug ug ug!