I just love how interesting threads turn into a discussion of gas masks and hippie riots...
Can it, hippie!
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10-17-2005 13:19
I just love how interesting threads turn into a discussion of gas masks and hippie riots... Can it, hippie! _____________________
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10-17-2005 13:53
Interesting question, you ask, 'Do you believe in ghosts'?
Then Poll 'Are ghosts real?' Hmmm, that's two completely different questions isn't it? For the record, no I don't believe in ghosts'. The point being, belief in something does not mean it is real, or exists. BUT you don't have to believe in things for them to exist, or be real. _____________________
All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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10-17-2005 13:58
The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or argument by lack of imagination, is the assertion that because something is currently inexplicable because evidence of it has not been scientifically proven to their satisfaction it cannot exist. This assertion is often summed up by the adage "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." In other words, it is mere personal belief, poor logic or close-mindedness, masquerading as certainty.
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10-17-2005 13:58
Below is a partial list of things which do not exist:
~Ulrika~ Santa Claus certainly does exist. As does the Belschnikel. |
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10-17-2005 14:00
Interesting question, you ask, 'Do you believe in ghosts'? Then Poll 'Are ghosts real?' Hmmm, that's two completely different questions isn't it? For the record, no I don't believe in ghosts'. The point being, belief in something does not mean it is real, or exists. BUT you don't have to believe in things for them to exist, or be real. However, I think, in order to answer the poll Q "Are ghosts real?" with a "yes" you probably have to believe in them. ZsuZsanna, one thousand apologies no more 'hippie or gas mask' talk from me. ![]() _____________________
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10-17-2005 14:14
Below is a partial list of things which do not exist:
Please adjust your superstitions or belief systems accordingly. ~Ulrika~ Ulrika - I have to disagree with you on this. Sasquatch does indeed exist and lives in the hills of Kamloops. He was spotted on a fateful day in 1986 when the RCMP decided to burn an entire field full of marijuana designated for medical experimentation. (no shit) The entire town came out to watch the event and in doing so, we ALL witnessed him run out from between the budding plants. He was big, hairy and he smelled bad, but he had a gentle grace and dignity about him. Many of us laughed. Some of us cried. All of us raided the local Canadian Tire for Cheetos afterwards. ![]() _____________________
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10-17-2005 14:19
Chupacabra exists because it wasn't on Ulrika's list.
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10-17-2005 14:27
Chupacabra exists because it wasn't on Ulrika's list. People here in Miami swear by Chupacabra. Personally - I haven't run into him yet, but I have seen some really big ass iguana's, so I would not rule it out. . _____________________
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10-17-2005 14:40
Below is a partial list of things which do not exist: * visitors from another planet -hello!? I'm here, aren't I? Although I think my tourist visa was revoked a couple millenia ago. * ghosts -I was sure I had some of these at the house but they turned out to be raccoons. * witches -you have got to be kidding on this one. I'm sure some of your neighbors are witches. * leprechauns * sasquatch * Easter Bunny * Tooth Fairy -Then who is Hallmark paying all those royalties to? * Santa Claus -this guy was real! Although he used to sneak down chimneys into childrens' houses and eat them, not leave them presents. * God (all flavors) -Big G, not sure. Met a few real gods and goddesses back in the day though, before they all went crazier 'n buttmonkeys. _____________________
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10-17-2005 14:50
Chupacabra exists because it wasn't on Ulrika's list. Of course they exist, they are great lollipops. Oh wait, those are Chupa Chups...nevermind... _____________________
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10-18-2005 05:51
Of course they exist, they are great lollipops. Oh wait, those are Chupa Chups...nevermind... ![]() ![]() I voted no because i assumed that SL (or chat environments) ghosts and Norton Ghost weren't included... ![]() |
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10-18-2005 08:18
Ghosts are not real. People misinterpreting common occurances as supernatural manifestations in order to prop up what they want to believe... that's very real (and common!). The idea of a detachable soul capable of wandering under its own power is a purely religious concept born out of fear of death. You can't very well believe in an afterlife if you don't have the ability to somehow leave your body and get there, and we know the bodies don't go anywhere since we've been burying and burning them for millenia. There is no afterlife. There is no soul. There are no ghosts. You cannot exist outside of your meatsack.
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10-18-2005 09:09
You cannot exist outside of your meatsack. Where *does* the 'self' end? Perhaps we don't even entirely fill our own bodies. Say you lost a toe, is it still you? How about the words you speak? Not you? I think our sense of where the self ends is entirely cultural. At some point we are ghosts in a machine, even if the atheists are correct. Even if it's all an illusion based on molecules - the illusion is simply the mechanism that makes it possible. |
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10-18-2005 09:53
It's a good way to spot the noobies here. Everyone who's been in SL more than a few months KNOWS for a fact that ghosts exist... or at least... they used to. They did indeed exsist within SL, but I believe they were removed with 1.4. I miss my old ghost in Yabune. Though it caused me much mischief, it was always exciting to find some new slowly rotating prim, or displaced wall, or puzzling suddenly-disfunctional script. _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:01
Ghosts are not real. People misinterpreting common occurances as supernatural manifestations in order to prop up what they want to believe... that's very real (and common!). The idea of a detachable soul capable of wandering under its own power is a purely religious concept born out of fear of death. You can't very well believe in an afterlife if you don't have the ability to somehow leave your body and get there, and we know the bodies don't go anywhere since we've been burying and burning them for millenia. There is no afterlife. There is no soul. There are no ghosts. You cannot exist outside of your meatsack. I do tend to agree, Chip, but won't dismiss out of hand. For the sake of discussion, do you feel the multitude of "experiences" reported are all misinterpreting common occurances and/or are delusional? Or do you leave room that there could be, in fact, some type of as yet undiscovered energy phenomena - entirely non-spiritual in nature, but an unrecognized natural occurence? ![]() _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:11
Ghosts are not real. People misinterpreting common occurances as supernatural manifestations in order to prop up what they want to believe... that's very real (and common!). The idea of a detachable soul capable of wandering under its own power is a purely religious concept born out of fear of death. You can't very well believe in an afterlife if you don't have the ability to somehow leave your body and get there, and we know the bodies don't go anywhere since we've been burying and burning them for millenia. There is no afterlife. There is no soul. There are no ghosts. You cannot exist outside of your meatsack. Hi Chip, I wonder, might it be possible people could be misinterpreting supernatural manifestations as common occurances in order to prop up what they want to believe? |
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10-18-2005 10:13
Ghosts are not real. People misinterpreting common occurances as supernatural manifestations in order to prop up what they want to believe... that's very real (and common!). The idea of a detachable soul capable of wandering under its own power is a purely religious concept born out of fear of death. You can't very well believe in an afterlife if you don't have the ability to somehow leave your body and get there, and we know the bodies don't go anywhere since we've been burying and burning them for millenia. There is no afterlife. There is no soul. There are no ghosts. You cannot exist outside of your meatsack. Sorry but I disagree with you and I'm sure anyone else who has experienced the type of things I have will as well. I am not a religious person and I do not fear death. I know that I have a Soul and once my body gives out it will be released to hopefully a much better place, wherever that may be, and not stuck here wandering... The way you say it, it's like we are just robots made of flesh and bone. Do you have feelings? Do you love? Have you ever hated someone? I can bet you have...and that is where the Soul comes into play. You don't have to be a religious person to think that there is something after this thing we call life... _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:16
For the sake of discussion, do you feel the multitude of "experiences" reported are all misinterpreting common occurances and/or are delusional? Or do you leave room that there could be, in fact, some type of as yet undiscovered energy phenomena - entirely non-spiritual in nature, but an unrecognized natural occurence? ![]() Absolutely. I'm certain there are all kinds of phenomena and interrelationships we have yet to objectively observe or understand. That being said, we have a deep seated cultural framework for interpreting things we don't understand (outside of science)... eons of folklore and cultural points of reference that predispose us to see things in certain terms... ghosts, spirits, and other "spiritual" things, ufo's, out of body experiences, esp, etc. etc. Take UFO's for example. We've all seen them since anything in flight that we can't identify is one. But as soon as you say UFO most people jump immediately to aliens and flying saucers. That leap is entirely cultural and has nothing to do with objective logic or rational deduction. It makes people completely bypass logic and rationality and do extremely silly things like classify flash illuminated dust specs in digital photographs as "orbs" ![]() _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:17
The way you say it, it's like we are just robots made of flesh and bone. Do you have feelings? Do you love? Have you ever hated someone? I can bet you have...and that is where the Soul comes into play. You don't have to be a religious person to think that there is something after this thing we call life... I believe the brain is capable of producing all of those wonderfully human things without need of a contrived concept like a soul. _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:17
Hi Chip, I wonder, might it be possible people could be misinterpreting supernatural manifestations as common occurances in order to prop up what they want to believe? Sure they do and that is a lot of the problem, it's called 'There has to be a rational explanation for this'. People try so hard to rationalize things that they can't explain instead of just going with the flow. If we can't touch, taste, see, or hear something...then it must not be real. In all honesty they are afraid that there are spirits among us and they will think what they can to deny it... _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:20
I believe the brain is capable of producing all of those wonderfully human things without need of a contrived concept like a soul. my life got so much easier a few months ago when I just decided that Chip thinks everything I do and says it better. Now I can spend time posting random pictures, confident that all my ideals are being presented by a pro. Thanks Chip! ![]() |
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10-18-2005 10:33
Sure they do and that is a lot of the problem, it's called 'There has to be a rational explanation for this'. People try so hard to rationalize things that they can't explain instead of just going with the flow. Nowhere in nature is there an effect without a cause. If you accept that then you also must accept that everything does have a raitonal explanation. Not knowing the explanation does not make an irrational explanation more likely. _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:36
At the risk of being ridiculed and flamed and labeled, No I do not believe in ghosts. I do however, believe in demons. Yes, I am a Christian in my beliefs. No, I do not go to church. I have had my own experiences that have scared the living hell out of me.
Back in '97 I was sleeping in a recliner in my living room and having a horrible dream, with the sound of a whip cracking. I woke up and the noise was still going on and the air around me was very heavy and dark. I had the worst feeling imaginable like something was behind me waiting to....??? I tried screaming for my mom to come help me since I felt as if something was holding me down and no noise came out of my mouth. After a few unsuccessful tries, she came running into the living room scared out of her wits. Not long after that everything just kind of faded back to normal, the noise stopped and the oppressive feeling was gone. She told me in the morning she had heard screaming and the cracking of a whip. She also said that she couldn't see while she was coming down the hall because it was so dark. I don't believe in ghosts in the sense of a spirit not wanting to cross over, or just staying where they lived. I think that those are demons, some very evil, some playing games with people, but not ghosts. |
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10-18-2005 10:39
Hi Chip, I wonder, might it be possible people could be misinterpreting supernatural manifestations as common occurances in order to prop up what they want to believe? Right. And it's just a coincidence that there's no convincing evidence that anything supernatural exists. I think factual reality (known and unknown) is plenty fascinating all on its own without having to embellish it with mythology. Edit: Is the moon any less beautiful for not being made out of cheese? _____________________
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10-18-2005 10:39
my life got so much easier a few months ago when I just decided that Chip thinks everything I do and says it better. Now I can spend time posting random pictures, confident that all my ideals are being presented by a pro. Thanks Chip! ![]() But how much do you pay him? Or is it out of the goodness of Chip's heart that he doesn't force you to stop posting pictures and start posting words? ![]() *thinks posting on forums with no sleep makes me seem more inane than normal* |