Atheists who attack Christianity

has this thread moved to the "Personal conversation" phase?

Does it get closed soon?

Before it does, do I get an apology for that idiotic accusation?

Because /everyone/ who opposes you is an Ulrika alt, even when they're all signed in simultaneously and posting in disparate threads - right?

Small quibble: it still does. Whether anyone wants to openly admit it or not, we are a Christian nation, ruled by chiefly Christian leaders. More's the pity.

A good little book, very concise and yet informative, that helps to highlight just how much we're under Christian control (and what that means for us) is Divine Destruction: Dominion Theology and American Environmental Policy, by Stephenie Hendricks.



One more small quibble: how do you define "free"? As the nation with the world's largest prison population, with the Patriot Act still in force, with laws against victimless activities -- laws that only make sense from a religious perspective as laws against "vices," with a corporate-controlled mainstream media that seems chiefly to exist to support the part line, I'm not sure "free" is the word I'd use.

Apologies for slightly sidetracking this, and I don't want anyone to get the impression that I disagree with the main point being directed at Kevn in all of this. In fact, I considered not saying anything at all simply to keep the focus on him. But those points are just hot buttons for me.

您是否甚而有一个线索什么您说？ 谁提出了诗歌？

Which brings me to one more small thing:

Can the posturing end now? It would be a shame to see this thread sink into a "my languages are bigger than your languages" contest.

What point would that be? Please feel free to join right in, don't be shy.

It was to show how easy it is to translate from one language to another, without knowing a single word in that language. I can even cut and paste from online translators

Damn, last night this thread was really starting to get interesting again.

Kevn, the funny thing about all the arguments of how physics precludes the existence of a deity actually wound back around to discussing how even establishing a Theory of Everything that models our particular universe requires the acknowledgement of an aware entity perceiving it. Indeed, that it is impossible to seperate the instantiation of a reality from the perception of it.

There is one assumption made in discussing self-awareness which we don't really have a basis for, other than it "seems" like it and that is that self-awareness is complex. If however it is not complex, there is nothing that precludes an observer from existing in the same instance as the original creation of the universe, and actually this would make things make more sense since then you would have the inextricable pairing of viewpoint and things to view from the beginning.

To dumb it down, assuming a god (or an infinity of gods) is not at all ruled out by this, but a God having truly omnipotent powers since the original creation would be.

I ...

Stated ...

Them.

In that very post.

Right before the part you quoted.

*facepalms and sighs*

OK, let me repost it in its entirety... Now, what was "the main point being directed at Kevn in all of this" in the rest of your post? I don't see any reference to the discussion we were having at all in your post. The point you make about freedom has nothing to do with "the main point being directed at Kevn in all of this".

What is "the main point being directed at Kevn in all of this" to which you refer?

Too late. My language is bigger than his - he cut and pasted a partial phrase asking me if I wanted to publish the unspecified declarative article (which he left off the beginning) electronically or on my internal network, or if I wanted to publish the unspecified declarative article on an unspecified object (which he probbaly stopped highlighting right before). So I responded to him with the Mandarin phrase for "Simply repeating the sutra without understanding it does not bring about enlightenment."

Yes, 'tis a shame. Shame we can't drag Kevn up into the light where he belongs.

LOL!

Having seen Finning on webcam and being the one who brought her here in the /first/ place, I can assure you:

Finning is NOT Ulrika.

(P.S.: Anyone who wants an "Ulrika Lives" t-shirt should IM me in-world.)

Who is it that we see always using /these bars/ to emphasize a word or phrase??

This is /so/ fun..

And you sell Ulrika shirts? Amazing

btw, I never said Finning is Ulrika

Thanky fer dumbin' it down fer this here country boy

Physical laws, time, and space that bind us wouldn't necessarily bind a creator, which would create a serious lack of understanding for us concerning God's realm. The idea of self-awareness may indeed be an illusion as far I know. I feel "like" I'm aware of self, but that is based on what I understand as self. I also know my self-awareness is incomplete, my subconscious is part of self I'm hardly aware of.

There is also the idea that there are several dimensions that overlap, and if we could only see the other dimensions we would understand what is "real". I think these dimensions could be like radio waves, higher frequencies are only detectable through the proper receiver. We perceive only what we are programed to perceive.

Of course this is just speculating on my part, I have no inside information concerning these other dimensions. I also have no inside information on God's power. That's why I don't see how a human can assume anything about God/s with such a limited ability.

Oh for fuck's sake. Finning is not Phedre's alt.

Phedre is MY alt.

Then why do you take it so seriously? Hmmm?

Then /start/ using bars to emphasize...

I didn't want to muddy the waters too much when addressing Kevn, but - yeah, we're not as free as the law says we ought to be, for reasons both obvious (Dominion Theist Politics) and for other reasons I only mediocrely comprehend (the disproportionate representation of rural areas in the Electoral College among them).

America is still - and this is my hot button - a secular nation, regardless of the position of the majority or the religious views of the people who hold office - or their inability to separate the lawful execution of the duties of their office from the preferences of their religious leaders. I refuse to capitulate the rule of law to the rule of their superstition, even if that's the /de facto/ case.

No, Kendra is /my/ alt. I mean, my alt.

I tend to use bars to get laid.

hmmm, just when I thought this couldn't get more entertaining

Careful Kendra... I don't think Kevn is in favor of "Sexual Education"

Don't be ridiculous. I think young guys should get their "Sexual Education" from older women who hang out at bars.

Sorry. Your IQ has to be over 120 to get on this ride.

How do you test IQ in a bar, do you carry a multiple choice test and a #2 pencil?