Atheists who attack Christianity

Did I call it a conspiracy? No.

I simply said there is no proof out there of a historical Jesus of Nazareth.


In 2,000 years will people be debating if Harry Potter existed?

probably not since I don't think humans will exist then

You stated your belief in a historical Jesus come from the shared mention of Jesus in the Talmud, The New Testament, and the Koran.

I showed that mention of him in the Talmud is false, that the Koran was written 6 centuries later than the NT --and well --the NT kind of carries a bias dontcha think?

I added quite abit that was worthwhile --you have only added --"But I believe, so there"

The Jesus Debate / Jesus Myth is something I've followed for a while with interest, so I'm going to comment here.

True: Strictly speaking, there is no absolute proof that Jesus exsited - this is odd, considering how important a role Jesus played.

What we do have is a lot of sources that seem to coraborate his existance - historians, for example, of the day.

No, we can't prove he existed - but the odds are someone named Jesus who did a lot of the stuff Jesus is thought to have did did exist. Son of God? More debateable still, and I do agree there is room for doubt as to his existance from a purely historical sense (leaving my beliefs out of this), but to just say that there is "none, nada, zip" in the way of evidence is slightly misleading.

We've been around for almost 4 million years. What's going to happen in the next 2,000 to get rid of us?

Actually there is no factual proof Jesus existed. There is a single, non-biblical contemporary source, Josephus, and it has been suggested that the reference to Jesus was edited into the document later. There is, though, no evidence that the existence of Jesus was made up. There is much indirect "evidence" that he existed. The descriptions of everyday life in the Gospels is supported by archeology and historical documents of the time.

Buddhism doesn't say anything about communicating with your ancestors. Buddhism teaches that we undergo rebirth after we die. So it would be hard to communicate with Great Grandpa if he's now a turtle or a demi-god. And since ordinary people don't retain their memories of their previous lives, what really would you have to talk about?

My great grandpa is a turtle!

My great grandpa is a rock



Sorry, slightly inebriated and that statement was funny to me for no intentionaly insulting reason.

My anger was when you assumed my belief instead of reading what I have said. Now I do belief that Jesus existed and you point out that no text survived that mentions him. When I showed that some do exist that are not in the bible you claim you never said it was a conspiracy. Now I ask you to just assume Jesus is real for a second even though you never will admit it. Think about it, this whole debate is really over whether he is the Son of God or not? If he didn't found the religion would we be discussing jesus?

Alot of people confuse Shintoism and Taoism with Buddhism. Alot also think Buddhists worship Buddha,,patently false.

I guess you can chalk me up to this group, please disregard my previous post.

We have evidence of about 20 or so different "Jesii" (to coin a term). Jesus or Yeshua being about as common a name for a religious leader back then (harkening back to Joshua from Exodus) as one could hope to find.

The notion of a popular resistance fighter by the name of Joshua at that time period would have been as ubiquitous as a New York City fireman named "Mike".

Josephus, the most noted historian of the time mentions no less than 19 Jesii --none of them of "Nazareth" (which didn't even exist until the 2nd century AD)

Actually, it would be somebody named Joshua.

Jesus is a Greek translation of Joshua. No-one would have called him Jesus.

Even Christian theologists will tell you Jesus didn't found the religion.

Paul did.

the Earth is due for another mass extinction or nuclear war or a new disease will come along like ebola. Not to mention possibilities like nuclear war, asteroids and various other potential calamities.

Using the modern terminology.

Those Books were written after many of the Gospels. They talk about Jesus, but none of them were written at the time of his life. They were all written a century or two later. Long after the story of Jesus was spread around the Roman world. It's like saying that since we have books today that mention Betsy Ross they prove she existed. They don't, they just continue the legend.

That said, I think that it is more than likely that Jesus existed. There is no real reason to think he didn't. The Dead Sea Scrolls do show that there were other, non-mainstream Jewish movements at the time. Saying that there was a man named Jesus (Yeshu) at that time in that place and that he was a religious teacher isn't an extraordinary claim. Saying that he was executed by the Romans by crucifixion isn't an extraordinary claim, since we know that the Romans regularly used that method, and we know that the Romans occupied Judea at the time.

But saying that the whole thing was made up is an extraordinary claim. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And there is no proof of a conspiracy to create a fictional Jesus.

still skirting the real issue

Yeah.. what she said.

And the "fireman named "Mike"... Cracked me up.
Although, an IRISH fireman named Mike is even MORE ubiquitous!

No it doesn't. Unless you think Harry Potter wrote the books instead of JK Rowlng.

you completely ignored the rest of that post, the part where we got to the real issue of Jesus and christianity. you know the part about discussing his Divinity.

I actually think of that as the least interesting part.

The "Creator" mentioned in the Bill of Rights is not the Judeo-Christian God of Abraham, it's the Deist god of nature. God is not mentioned in the Constitution itself, at all. Neither is Jesus. Deists believed there was a God who created the universe and the laws of nature and then had no further interest in it because his work was done. Deism is a means of explaining creation and nothing more. To a Desit the idea of worship or prayer are meaningless since their god is no longer here. Deism is the closest you can get to atheism while still believing in a creator. The authors of the Constitution were men of the Enlightenment, stirred by the new ideas of their time. Had Darwin already introduced the theory of evolution they most likely would have been atheists. Above all these were men of reason and science.

A Theodemocracy would be better.

Actually martians are more of a pale blue color.

The Rapture, of course, duh! Led by Harry Potter, Winston Smith, and Christina Aguilara.