Key an SUV

The Passat wouldn't work for you then, as it has 'normal' ground clearance. The Subaru Forester(8.1" or Outback(7.3" have plenty of ground clearance - this is well within SUV range. The Audi Allroad, my favorite, has a variable ground clearance (5.5-8.3" for the best of both worlds.

You can rent cars. You can take buses. You can take a train. There are a number of options that don't involve driving an SUV 365 days a year.

Now you are just being silly to justify your own selfish desires. That is very sad.

I have repeatedly in this thread given simple alternatives to driving large vehicles everyday. You are just selfish and I have no solution for that.

After all, how can one re-enact history without having an SUV?

If you're going to graffiti something, graffiti something cool. Graffiti a cop." - Henry Rollins

I wonder if that person would moan if she caught you using her wasted land instead of a sandbox

Right, and you can take camping gear for an entire family on a bus or train.

A rental car is still a gas consuming vehicle, and you have to get to the rental agency with the gear.

Not to mention, most of the Midwestern, Mountain Western, and Western US have horrible public transportation. THERE is where ecology minded people should be focusing their energy. In the cities like Minneapolis/St.Paul where the conservatives keep shooting down public transportation bills.

Keying cars to promote ecology is about as effective as throwing eggs at the soldiers invading your town.

You asked how people did it "before SUVs", and some of us told you. You still carried on with your line of reasoning that people could "just go pitch a tent", ignoring the fact that not everyone has the luxury of just worrying about themselves when it comes to camping. How would you take a family of four and a dog camping for two weeks?

Here we are again, focusing on what is basically a straw man.

Neehai, do you condone vandalism to make a point that likely the victim will write it off to teenagers being teenagers? Heck, even IF there was a guarantee that they would know why they had been keyed, would you condone it?

Stop worrying about being wasteful and such. The free market will take care of everything. When it really becomes a problem, the price of being wasteful will go up so high that only the rich will be able to afford it, and the rest of us will be forced to conserve.

Place more faith in the free market.

Train, yeah right. Nearest scam track train is 50 miles from here and it goes to Chicago.
Bus, okay if I have a back pack and nothing else. but the greyhound dosn't go where I want to go. But lets say for grins it goes to the remote parts of the country we like to visit
How do we get around once we are there? Hitch a ride on the next bear that goes by?
Car rental. by the time I pay the mileage and fees I could rent a plane and fly but still only if I want to take my back pack.
What I do with my SUV the rest of the year is my business and not yours.
Once again your presume to know what everyone else needs. Manage your own life.
Odds are I was camping before you were born. I have done the survial camping. Take a knife and nothing else. I have done the load up the land yacth camping too. Through trial and error I have decided the things I need to take with me and how to get them there.
I don't need 60 foot motor home and in the same light I want more than a blanket and a lean too for shelter. Now here is a concept that may be lost on some folks. I work for my money and not only that I work hard. So does my spouse. We have put two kids through school.
Purchased a home and contribute to our community. If we want to use a SUV to drag our tent and other various stuff up to the north country for a few weeks every year to get away from the rat race. We bloody well will do it and don't really give a rap what some friends of bambi have to say about it.
My only regret is we didn't buy a bigger SUV. If I had known it would piss so many people I would of done it. I have seen one made by international that is a pick up truck body on and a semi truck frame. That may the next one we buy, hopefully before we take our trip to DC.

Rox

Yup. Selfish.

Good luck to you and your SUV.

Perhaps you are correct. We will have to wait for the stupid and the selfish to be forced into making the appropriate choices.

It was a bit of a stretch to think people could do this before it was absolutely necessary.

Ha. More guerrilla theater from Ulrika! From a slightly counterrevolutionary perspective, this is what I drive. It has a turbocharged diesel engine, makes 400 hp and 900 lbs. torque, can pull up to 20,000 pounds, and gets 23 mpg on the highway unloaded - more than most SUV's. I use it to haul good things for many people, and to go back and forth to my work.

Diesel engines pollute far less than gasoline engines - what you see and smell are particulates - carbon flakes that have much less impact than the soup of chemicals a gasoline engine pours out. Diesel engines are far more fuel efficient. Diesel fuel takes far less energy to produce, and you can get far more fuel out of a barrel of oil.

Personally, I think Ulrika isn't being ambitious enough. Key any vehicle you see that doesn't run on an efficient alternative fuel source. That should be about 98% of everything parked around your local mall, so bring an extra set of keys and have fun.

While I really disagree with what Ulrika stated, I think that she can post her opinions on the forums without having to add a disclaimer that she does not represent Neualt just like the rest of us can. Now, you could try to get a bill passed that states we have to use a disclaimer when posting on the forums, but I really doubt that bill will pass. hehe

Just as I don't judge all of Indigo, Luskwood, Taber, or any other community when one of their members speaks on the forums. Most intellegent people know that Ulrika does not represent Neualtenburg when she speaks her opinions on non-related issues (same for all of us citizens of Neualt). Those who don't realize that are probably not people to worry too much about.

Yes, but can you use it to go camping with a family of four and a dog?

Can you use the bus or train to do the same?

I am not saying that one MUST use an SUV to camp. I am saying that a family cannot camp the way YOU do. They have to use other methods, not limited to SUVs, but surely limited to having enough room for a family and their gear and provisions.

Instead of making smarmy remarks, why can't you actually address the questions presented?

Perhaps you don't have very good answers.

At this point, it surely wouldn't surprise me.

All you want to do is focus on the camping straw man now, and completely ignore the actual subject, which is keying random SUV's.

Where I live and what I do - I need four family members fully armed to survive, and a couple of trained dogs to run point for us. And camping? A blanket on the ground, another around you, a saddle as a pillow, a fire close by....

Capitol Hill is a tough place to make a living.

I did, you just didn't like my answer.
Edited to remove calling someone a twit. That is just hateful.

Rent a vehicle. Do I need to say it again for you?

No you didn't. I asked the more pertinent question about whether or not you condone the practice of randomly keying SUV's, and instead, you want to make smart-assed responses and now call names.

But if it works for you to hold onto the camping straw, rather than the OP's topic, by all means, carry on. You just reveal that you are avoiding the issue, and capable of only one-dimensional thinking - that being your personal situation. Enjoy.

Obviously I don't think you should randomly do it. That would be silly. Naturally there are some important things to consider.

1. Is there a gun rack in the SUV?
2. Are the cops watching?
3. If I take the time to key this SUV, will I still be able to make it to my save the turtles rally?
4. Does the SUV have a bumper sticker telling you how much the owner loves freedom?
5. Does the owner of the SUV have a dog and an affinity for camping.

These are just a few. I could go on.

I should have warned you and the others trying to get a serious response, Neehai is one of those roving instances of forum performance art. Totally useless for any serious discussion, but fun to play with because she gets huffy and says silly things that make me laugh.

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You're so very clever Neehai.

You have yourself a good act here. You have yourself a good act...

Have a great day, and remember to use one square of toilet paper per bowel movement - you know, to keep in step with your self-righteous ecologist game forum persona.

I firmly believe if you can only do one thing well, that is what you should do.

I am not a she as one can clearly see when they look at my enormous penis.

When I go camping on the train, I always bring with me a satchel made of hemp. While out in the wilderness I gather ass-sized leaves and place them in the bag. When I return home, I dry them in the sun and use them to wipe my ass. I then take the used leaves and fertilize my garden with them.

Please let us know when you find your one thing.


This thread has become tiresome...now is the time on Sprocket when we dance....

Dieter!!!!

Are you going to smack all the people that drive alone and don't carpool? The selfish nature of americans prevents them from carpool. The lone person rolling along in the Toyota Camry is more guilty than the Naperville Mom hauling Madison and Tyler in her BMW SUV.