Apple's Price Beats Dell and Hand-Assembled Computers

Huh?

Speculation. Overruled.

Link for the Mac Pro, please.

In regards to Rosetta, I've run Photoshop CS2 and Matlab under it without problem. The software is actually faster on my new MacBook Pro than it was on my 3-year old PowerBook G5, so it's still an upgrade to me. So depending on one's previous computer, Rosetta is still an improvement. I can't wait for the Universal binaries though.

I have a great disdain for pornography not because I am religious or prude but because it's an industry that makes its profits by exploiting women. Further it reinforces negative gender stereotypes and in some cases contributes to misogyny. As terrible as I think MS is (and would thus never purchase their products), the pornography industry is an order of magnitude worse. I have no interest in discussing this beyond my above statement.

What about porn that's all guys? Is that bad because it's exploiting men too?
But that's a whole different subject...

I give you that one, as nobody actually ever tested the ATI card icw boot camp, and wrote about it.



link for the mac pro
I won't compare the clockspeeds of the Quadro to an Nvidia 7800GTX/7900GTX, as the quadro (with a pricetag of $1650 US) falls in a completely different category. (They're fun though, i'm using an older mobile one in my laptop to play SL on... very smooth



A powerbook G5 doesn't exist (God, i wish it did... but it would burn a hole in your lap)


And if you can't wait...imagine my expectations growing (Professional developer for adobe plugins/software on the pc and mac. getting updates on CS3 almost monthly...) Although it's a mixed feeling, expecting to spend several months in 2007 converting all my crap to xcode...

That's a interesting way to play with the numbers but it still stands that PCs make up 90% of the market share. As far as hardware it still has Apple properity hardware in it. It's still that 100 mile drive to get it fixed. I do 99% of my own computer work. Last I knew that user grades are not that easy. I could be wrong I havn't looked inside a Apple computer in many years. With the pc I can cherry pick what I want in the computer or not. IMHO only a idiot would buy a dell and your paying for the name on a HP.

If it's a pc, why not just buy a pc not pay the Apple tax to own a computer?

I would seriously think about Apple if they expanded the dealer network. Court third party support and allow people to home roll thier own machines. Kiss some serious booty in the
software developers world to get more titles.

It would be a great day when I could tell MS to kiss off. (yes I do run linux but I still have to run windows for many other apps)

It's too bad that Apple didn't start thinking about all this about 20 years.

Rox

It runs WinXP now, so that argument is moot. As a hardware seller, Apple commands 10 % of the marketplace (12 % for laptops), which make them the third largest and gaining. They're only behind Dell and HP. The trick is to not compare their OS against a monopoly but to compare their hardware against the much more diverse PC manufacturing industry. When you do, you can see they're a powerhouse and understand why they're pricing themselves competitively with Dell.

Additionally, as commodity hardware, one can either get AppleCare, go to an Apple retailer for support, or take the computer in to Computer City. It's a PC now. Understand?

Doh! I mean G4.

Whoa! Sounds like you have a fascinating job.

Yes.

pardon but that site is dreadfully off base and isnt comparing really non name brand things. Dell's are pricey as heck because they are name brand. Secondly Wow on the price being that off. You can buy a better machine from cyberpower then the home made one for under 1000 dollars. Just for Kicks i added a better PSU, and a soundcard and better speakers.

CASE: NZXT Nemesis Metal Mid-Tower Case 400W W/ side-panel Window (SILVER COLOR)
CPU: (939-pin) AMD Athlon™64 3800+ CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
MOTHERBOARD: (Sckt939)EVGA nForce4 SLI Chipset SATA RAID Dual PCI-E Mainboard w/GbLAN, USB2.0, &7.1Audio
MEMORY: 1024 MB (512MBx2) PC3200 400MHz Dual Channel DDR MEMORY (Corsair Value Select)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA Geforce 7300 GS 256MB 16X PCI EXPRESS VIDEO CARD
VIDEO CARD 2: NVIDIA Geforce 7300 GS 256MB 16X PCI EXPRESS VIDEO CARD
LCD Monitor: NONE
HARD DRIVE: 250GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive -- Recommended
Hard Drive 2: NONE
Optical Drive: (Special Price) 16X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: NONE
SOUND: Creative Labs SB AUDIGY 4 SE

with a 535 sli ready PSU the article is a bit off base and this is a pretty decent gaming rig for 900 dollars. By default the system comes with a psu that is sli ready as well 400w one but i pushed to 535 one instead. This also included a cooler master liquid cooling system by default and 512 mb of ram by default with on board sound its 700 by default and it's a good machine for that price with its default specs. Im not sure where they get the info there from in all honesty in fact i just checked for the video cards and put those on and it only pushed the price for a custom prebuilt one up to 939 dollars. Mind you this system outclasses the apple that was there as well in terms of hardware.

This also includes Xp media center edition with it. If you shop around there are custom built to order places where you actually know what your getting that arnt name brand that dont kill you on price. The system also comes with a keyboard and a mouse and just for giggles i jsut added on pro wiring and rounded cables bringing the price to still under 1k at 977. The review is kind of off base and there isnt an argument to it. You can go build the system yourself if you dont believe me. http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/ the gamer ultra sli basic.

I wont dispute the systems they both have their strong points i'm just pointing out that whoever did the research for anandtech didnt really shop around to well for a pc to review. Sure the ram is just ddr but big deal could upgrade that to and it'd still be cheaper then all the pc's and mac's listed in the review. However you cant order ddr2 with it and would need to check thru the motherboards which would support it but your still looking at mabye 1500 max for the entire setup.

XP wasn't mentioned in that post you responded to, and, no, it's not a PC: It has the ability to run windows. That in and of itself does not a PC make.

Yes to which?

Also a side note none of these systems would do anyone much good if they were looking at it from a gaming perspective. They are meant as workstations not an every day use kind of computer and far from a great gaming system. This could be used as a server quite possibly to the setups on there. You woulnt use those setups (Xeon's for your every day PC nor would you want to use them for an every day mac) for everyday use. I play games i'd therefor go for the system i could build for mabye 1500 or less as opposed to buying a workstation.

Apple charges a hefty premium for upgrades. I for one do not buy my memory in Cupertino.

if the thickness or thinness of you wallet drives your platform choice, I recommend buying a minial config and upgrading it yourself. You get a much better value that way...

In the PC world this is dangerous, not quite so bad in the Mac market...
Guess there's not enough suckers in the Mac market yet to draw in the fraudsters...



=B-)

You can usually tell who is legit or not. I've found most pc sellers are legit but there are some places out there that are bad for online purchases which you get in general. Its odd anyways but ehh what are you gunna do right *shrugs*. CyberPower is legit and rated by cnet and stuff so i know them and usually reccomend them to friends looking to buy a decent system for a budget price. I've not had many of them have problems (mainly viruses but you get that when you dont properly protect yourself on a pc and alot of people sadly dont :/) There are usually clear signs a place isnt legit. Crappy website not using secure transaction lines or what not. People just need to keep their eyes open for all online purchases.