Follow this link and check out the first table. Note that the hand-assembled computer still lacks a case, power supply, and OS.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2816
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-16-2006 18:37
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Flavian Molinari
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08-16-2006 18:59
Give the hand rolled system a few months and you can drop $200 off the cpu alone. It's nice to see Apple trying though.
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Fmeh Tagore
Just another fat guy
Join date: 12 Jul 2006
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08-16-2006 19:23
Follow this link and check out the first table. Note that the hand-assembled computer still lacks a case, power supply, and OS. http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2816 Note that the $1,500 computer mentioned is a USED G5. If Apple still made the G5 and sold it for a low price, I "might" consider it, but then I couldn't run any intel stuff on it. You've been pushing this over and over and over again that the Mac prices (starting at $2,400) are better than non mac prices for the equivalent machine--it's comparing one latest and greatest to another latest and greatest. I haven't seen anyone disputing that Apple, right now--key phrase--RIGHT NOW, has lower prices for the latest and greatest. I've said this every time someone posts that same info: Most people can't afford the latest and greatest machine. People buy a step or two down, and because Apple only recently started using the Intel platform, the only way to take advantage of being able to dual boot (or other methods of running windows software) is either getting a shitty non-upgradeable Imac with the computer built into a high latency monitor, or they have to get the latest and greatest machine, which people generally can't afford. The majority of people are lower class to lower-middle class. Most people couldn't care less that one would spend less on a latest-and-greatest Apple than a latest-and-greatest non-apple machine. We don't care--we can't afford it! _____________________
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David Valentino
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08-16-2006 19:34
That sounds great! Except you end up with an Apple computer.
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Fmeh Tagore
Just another fat guy
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08-16-2006 19:47
That sounds great! Except you end up with an Apple computer. Hey, I may not like certain things about apple, but you can run windows applications on their new machines. There's no reason to dislike an apple machine anymore unless you're talking about an Imac or Mini--if that's the case, then flame away. _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
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08-16-2006 19:48
The majority of people are lower class to lower-middle class. Most people couldn't care less that one would spend less on a latest-and-greatest Apple than a latest-and-greatest non-apple machine. We don't care--we can't afford it! Dont forget- Most of the users dont know the difference between Processors either. Sempron/Athlon/Pentium 4/Pentium D/Xeon/etc..... doesnt mean squat to the majority of home users. If it did, do you really think they'd be buying a Dell (or god forbid- an E-machine)?? Pfffft!! And I can still build a PC rig for under $1000. BTW- Xeons are not noted for being "gaming machines". There's no reason to dislike an apple machine anymore unless you're talking about an Imac or Mini--if that's the case, then flame away. Agreed! and I beat the Mac G5 price easily.  so keep dreaming of a cheaper Mac Madame. Aint happening. |
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Chronic Skronski
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08-16-2006 20:22
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-16-2006 20:25
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Tod69 Talamasca
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08-17-2006 05:07
Sorry about that BillyBob. It's just part of the usual Uma/Ulrika "My mac is better" thing. Soon Oprah & The View should be on & she'll be busy watching TV, cooking dinner, waiting for the hubby to come home just like a good wifey should.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-17-2006 05:16
Sorry about that BillyBob. It's just part of the usual Uma/Ulrika "My mac is better" thing. Soon Oprah & The View should be on & she'll be busy watching TV, cooking dinner, waiting for the hubby to come home just like a good wifey should.   _____________________
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Corvus Drake
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08-17-2006 08:25
*looks for a Mac with SLI video cards*
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Zuzu Fassbinder
Little Miss No Tomorrow
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08-17-2006 08:53
PC & Mac people holding hands together
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Equino Faulkland
SLI + SL = Orgy in my eye
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08-17-2006 08:54
i'll give you 50L to make that and put it on youTube if it isnt already there...
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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08-17-2006 10:33
PC & Mac people holding hands together PC: Hi, I'm a PC Mac: and I'm a Mac The new Macs are all capable of running WinXP for doing the only thing XP does well, play games. As soon as ours arrives, it's getting a partition just for game playing. The hardware is affordable. There's a multibutton mouse. It runs WinXP. It plays the sum of all Mac and WinXP games. Everything has changed now. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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08-17-2006 10:36
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
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08-17-2006 10:48
The gaming myth is busted. The new Macs are all capable of running WinXP for doing the only thing XP does well, play games. As soon as ours arrives, it's getting a partition just for game playing. The hardware is affordable. There's a multibutton mouse. It runs WinXP. It plays the sum of all Mac and WinXP games. Everything has changed now. ~Ulrika~ Except the "the hardware is affordable" bit. I'm building a new system right now, so I'm rather familiar with the prices on the PC end - I just went through and did the math with the MacPro configurator on Apple's website. It's less than Macs used to cost, I'll grant you, but not in PC range yet. And in some cases there simply was no option for an equivilant PC part in terms of performance, or the option was less than ideal. _____________________
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Dillon Morenz
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Join date: 21 May 2006
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08-17-2006 10:58
You can put up to four video cards in a Mac Pro. How is SLI related to that? Is that the technology where boards can link up internally with a bus and render simultaneously? Yes, sort of. SLI works by intelligently scaling geometry and fill rate performance for two GPUs. 3DMark typically reports a 1.9x GPU performance increase when you link a second SLI card to the first. SLI technology requires a PCI Express motherboard with two x16 physical connectors. Not being too familiar with Mac hardware, I don't know what that means for you. _____________________
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Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
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08-17-2006 11:03
You get what you pay for and Dell is pure crud. My place of employment has dead Dell computers stacked up in IT. We have to take parts from dead Dells to keep the rest of them working. Dell and Garbage are the same word to me, suppose I should tell my husband to take out the Dell
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Dillon Morenz
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08-17-2006 11:05
Except the "the hardware is affordable" bit. Well...and the gaming bit maybe? Even with the latest hardware, I *still* find myself upgrading hardware every nine months because even my PC is incapable of playing the latest PC games. Not at satisfactory frame rates (with highest quality graphics settings) anyway. SLI finally got shut of that annoying SL "fog lag" for me. _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
Little Miss No Tomorrow
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08-17-2006 11:45
The gaming myth is busted. The new Macs are all capable of running WinXP for doing the only thing XP does well, play games. As soon as ours arrives, it's getting a partition just for game playing. The hardware is affordable. There's a multibutton mouse. It runs WinXP. It plays the sum of all Mac and WinXP games. Everything has changed now. ~Ulrika~ I use my home computer 99% of the time for gaming. I suppose I could buy a mac and run XP on it all the time. Is there an advantage to this? _____________________
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Fmeh Tagore
Just another fat guy
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08-17-2006 11:52
In 2 years, one would have to upgade the macs to keep up with games, and if you didn't buy the latest and greatest mac pro and bought something "affordable" that's built into the monitor, you couldn't do this. Right now, there's no point in buying a computer with more than one processor core for playing games, since games haven't really taken advantage of that yet, and by the time they do, you could get a computer with multiple cores that's not top-of-the-line for a lot less.
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Nyoko Salome
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08-17-2006 11:55
"i saved a lotta money... but ended up with an effin' PC"
"whuzwrong wit datt?? they are great for gammezzz" "yeah, but i need to -work- on the damn thing... keeps locking up. and i've spent 6k alone this year for 'house-call' consultants..." well, that's about half of the clients i've had, dealing with home PC networks... while the other half never noticed i was able to manage all the company macs by myself while doing my 'real' job at the same time... "toys" ... toys are simple to understand and play with. "expensive toys" ... work right under a variety of circumstances without calling in outside 'ms-certified consultants'... _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-17-2006 11:58
"i saved a lotta money... but ended up with an effin' PC" "whuzwrong wit datt?? they are great for gammezzz" "yeah, but i need to -work- on the damn thing... keeps locking up. and i've spent 6k alone this year for 'house-call' consultants..." well, that's about half of the clients i've had, dealing with home PC networks... while the other half never noticed i was able to manage all the company macs by myself while doing my 'real' job at the same time... "toys" ... toys are simple to understand and play with. "expensive toys" ... work right under a variety of circumstances without calling in outside 'ms-certified consultants'... If someone spent 6K on "house call" consultants, they are an f-ing moron. They aren't just computer illiterate, they are actually stupid, and possibly mentally retarded. My computer does not lock up, it does not crash, and my home network works dandy-fine. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-17-2006 12:00
In 2 years, one would have to upgade the macs to keep up with games, and if you didn't buy the latest and greatest mac pro and bought something "affordable" that's built into the monitor, you couldn't do this. Right now, there's no point in buying a computer with more than one processor core for playing games, since games haven't really taken advantage of that yet, and by the time they do, you could get a computer with multiple cores that's not top-of-the-line for a lot less. Not entierly. Even in a situation where the individual software is not optimized, two cores still has some advantages. Now, dual-processors (As opposed to dual-cores), that's something else. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Fmeh Tagore
Just another fat guy
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08-17-2006 12:01
They're only expensive because Apple wants to keep it that way. You can either get something that's top of the line that you can upgrade or you can get a pile of crap that can't be upgraded that's built into the monitor. No other choice. Apple -COULD- make a low end tower, but refuse to do so. Apple -COULD- release their OS to work on non-apple hardware, but they refuse to do so. They WANT to keep things as they are. They probably figure that if they become too popular, they'll start to become targets for viruses and spyware, and then what could they brag about?
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