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Apple's Price Beats Dell and Hand-Assembled Computers
Dillon Morenz
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08-17-2006 13:02
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
How does a laptop come with SLI when it requires multiple video cards?


Here's a SLI laptop with two Nvidia GPUs: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/311/1/ :)
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Fmeh Tagore
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08-17-2006 13:03
From: Dianne Mechanique
Well she's a wiley one for sure, ;) and no friend of mine as most people know, but right is right and wrong is wrong.

She is a mac evangelist, but IMO most of the replies on this thread, despite elaborate attempts to position themselves as "unbiased," are just as evangelical on the other side of the coin.

Personally I do think MS should be very afraid of Apple at this point, and they are showing signs that they are.

They have been choking off their Mac development efforts recently like they used to in the bad old days. Hoping to cripple the platform one suspects.


Microsoft will only have to fear Apple when they either release their OS for non-apple hardware or when Apple finally releases mid-to-low-end towers.

I'm definitely no Microsoft apologist--I'd love to see them squirm, their greed and buyouts have taken down a lot of good software companies, and their OS is filled with problems--too many problems to mention in a post that's less than 3 pages long.
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08-17-2006 13:13
From: Reitsuki Kojima
I have a P-100 that's god-knows how many years old that still runs brilliantly. It won't run modern software all that well, but I suspect your G4 won't be playing much World of Warcraft any time soon, either (Sorry, couldn't think of another game out for mac at the moment). How long things run isn't the issue.


It does run WoW. I bought it for $350, used, in February. FTH!

From: Reitsuki Kojima



My bathroom laptop (Don't ask) is a... (counts on fingers) going-on-7-years-old laptop that has ran Windows 2000 most of it's life just dandy, and has run XP on occasion.



Aaafter you upgraded the RAM, Right? 512m is the minimum to boot XP and surf teh web.

From: Reitsuki Kojima


PCs, like macs, only HAVE to be upgraded if you want to keep up with all the latest cutting-edge games and such nonsense. For the average joe or jill who browses wikipedia and maybe does some accounting, the whole question is just silly.


Hallelujah.
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08-17-2006 13:18
From: Finning Widget
It does run WoW. I bought it for $350, used, in February. FTH!



Aaafter you upgraded the RAM, Right? 512m is the minimum to boot XP and surf teh web.



Hallelujah.

Actually, you can run XP on 256 megs of ram--slowly, but it runs.
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08-17-2006 13:19
From: Fmeh Tagore
Microsoft will only have to fear Apple when they either release their OS for non-apple hardware or when Apple finally releases mid-to-low-end towers.

I'm definitely no Microsoft apologist--I'd love to see them squirm, their greed and buyouts have taken down a lot of good software companies, and their OS is filled with problems--too many problems to mention in a post that's less than 3 pages long.


Microsoft already fears Apple - Apple has an existing but unexercised right to implement the Windows API, and speculation is that Apple is working on / is holding a kernel that implements the Windows API - and if they were to release it, all one would have to do is load up any given Windows program and see just how much faster it runs on OSX, how many Microsoft applications don't conform to their own published API and use undocumented "features", how many are still exploiting legacy configurations...

Given that Microsoft is being sued/prosecuted over the fact that they were ordered to publish a clear set of documentation on their API, and dragged their feet and published what is (according to experts) a completely unusable piece of horsehockey and called it API documentation, for Apple to publish a kernel that implements the Windows API would put Microsoft in quite an interesting position.

Except, there's already Boot Camp. And why, then, would Apple want to make it seem like Microsoft's issues might have anything to do with their operating system?
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08-17-2006 13:20
From: Finning Widget
It does run WoW. I bought it for $350, used, in February. FTH!


How well?

And that was probably a bad game to pick anyhoo... WoW is awsome in that way, it's system reqs are damn low. My parents off-the-shelf dell cheepy package runs it almost as well as my uber system :(



From: Finning Widget
Aaafter you upgraded the RAM, Right? 512m is the minimum to boot XP and surf teh web.


My laptop shipped with 512 ram, actually. So yes and no.

From: Finning Widget
Hallelujah.


Duh. :p But, since this is (however slightly) a gaming site, I figured we weren't talking about computers for my mom to catalog her CD collection and my dad to play Solitaire on. :D
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08-17-2006 13:24
From: Fmeh Tagore
Actually, you can run XP on 256 megs of ram--slowly, but it runs.


Aye! I worked on one woman's computer (E-Machine no less) because she said it was running really slow.

A Pentium 3 w/ 128 MB RAM AND Windows XP Home:eek:

Took almost a good 4-5 minutes to boot into the OS.
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08-17-2006 13:24
From: Fmeh Tagore
If you spent $6000 on house call consultants, you need to learn how to use a computer. Maybe you -should- just stick with a mac where you don't have to know anything about computers.


you've just called me stupid -and- a liar, so prepare for a beating. ;) i won't disagree with witchhunter that most of my bosses were f-ing moh-rahns. but really, come on - 6K on support is -nothing,- in the context that this little company didn't spend 60K a year to keep even one MiSery-certified tech on-site.

to repeat -myself,- i've managed subnetworks for macs in large factory production and office environments, -on top of- performing my 'actual' job doing production (and having time for both, being the point). i've managed several NT boxes (as in installation from box to system to software to online to replacing fried drives) for RIPping (as print companies still usually don't make their latest-and-greatest for mac, if at all). and figured out with the few skimpy included manuals how to disassemble, clean, and recalibrate a complete three-stage linotronic film processor aww bye myie wittle shelf - not to save the co. the expensive consultant house-calls from 200 miles away - but because -that-, my friends, was -fun.- and that's one item of the ol' resume...;)

what has -not- been fun is my brief experiences with 'everything MiSery' infrastructures. and for all the money me and my little macs have saved companies over the years, they have to dump right back into their MiSery-certified staff - usually three of them, at least - at what, 60k each?? now -that's- smart, isn't it?! ;)
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:25
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Actually, it's ALL statistics. Part specs and prices. No data whatsoever.
Specifications and prices are not statistics.

From: someone
If you're not interested in logic, what's the point? Price comparisons with no logic behind them are stupid. "This land is cheaper than this land!" "What do you need the land for?" "Doesn't matter! This land is cheaper!".
I see what you're saying. You're using the word "logic" for the word "reason". Now that I understand, I can say, that I have a reason I want a computer in this class. In fact, it's been purchased.

From: someone
It is the point of the artical, and in doing so the artical looses any point whatsoever.
lose != loose

From: someone
Like I said before - if you need a dumptruck, go ahead and buy that dumptruck. But don't start a thread about how dumptruck brand X is better than Y in a forum about offroading, which is what you just did.
Huh? This is the sandbox. It's about whatever the thread is about. :D

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08-17-2006 13:26
i think M$ has enough cash on hand to buy apple stocks... maybe all of them.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:27
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Here (Link may not work perfectly since it links to a configurator-type page)
Got it! Thank you. :)

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08-17-2006 13:31
From: Fmeh Tagore
Actually, you can run XP on 256 megs of ram--slowly, but it runs.


WOW! That must be the $400 Dell you see on TV.

Just think of all of the money you are saving as you wait for the stupid thing to do anything. While dual core does not help Second Life, it allows you to run all sorts of neat things in the background without waiting.

One question, what do you do with your dead apex machines? Do you do the right thing and get them "recycled" or do you toss them on the side of the road or stuff them in the garbage can?
Equino Faulkland
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08-17-2006 13:32
daisy chain em together to hold all my porn.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:34
From: Equino Faulkland
i think M$ has enough cash on hand to buy apple stocks... maybe all of them.
Yes. A few years ago, I read that MS has enough cash on hand to purchase every single airline (business, planes, facilities) in the United States. It was quoted during the antitrust trials.

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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:35
From: Equino Faulkland
daisy chain em together to hold all my porn.
So. Are you 15 years old or just low-class?

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08-17-2006 13:36
The part they didnt show on TV
Equino Faulkland
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08-17-2006 13:41
lol nope. but he just asked what i did with all my old computers...
i answered truthfully :)
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08-17-2006 13:43
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Specifications and prices are not statistics.


They are statistics, actually, particularly when talking about computers. "What are the stats on your computer?" is not an uncommon phrase, and guess what "stats" is short for? Specs is more proper, but the alternate is not unheard of.

From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I see what you're saying. You're using the word "logic" for the word "reason". Now that I understand, I can say, that I have a reason I want a computer in this class. In fact, it's been purchased.


Then more power to you, but it doesn't make the discussion productive, or your thread title any less misleading. And no, I'm not using the word "logic" for "reason" - Reason, in this case, is a part of my desire for a logical discussion, but it is not the only facet of a logical discussion.

From: Ulrika Zugzwang
lose != loose


Ah, the last resort of those with no arguement. :D I'm sure I left a few other spelling errors around, why don't you compile those into a word document and I'll get right on ignoring them.

From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Huh? This is the sandbox. It's about whatever the thread is about. :D

~Ulrika~


See "dump trucks in an offroad forum" :)
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:43
From: Equino Faulkland
lol nope. but he just asked what i did with all my old computers...
i answered truthfully :)
Did you answer truthfully as a 15 year old or as someone without class?

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08-17-2006 13:46
as a male in his mid to early 20s ;)
Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:51
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Then more power to you, but it doesn't make the discussion productive, or your thread title any less misleading.
The title is not misleading. If you follow the link in the first post of this thread, it has an ArsTechnica article that compares a Mac Pro, Dell, and hand-assembled computer with equivalent hardware. In the article you will see that the Mac Pro is less expensive than both. This is what's known as "factual".

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Ah, the last resort of those with no arguement. :D I'm sure I left a few other spelling errors around, why don't you compile those into a word document and I'll get right on ignoring them.
You need to stop making that mistake. It undermines your argument in the eyes of people who learned their sixth-grade spelling lessons. To review, "loose" is the opposite of tight and "lose" is the opposite of win.

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See "dump trucks in an offroad forum" :)
I still have no idea what you're talking about. This is the sandbox. If someone wants to link to a story that shows conclusively that a Mac Pro is less expensive than the identical hardware purchased at Dell or purchased in parts and hand assembled, then they can do so.

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08-17-2006 13:52
From: Nyoko Salome


you've just called me stupid -and- a liar, so prepare for a beating. ;) i won't disagree with witchhunter that most of my bosses were f-ing moh-rahns. but really, come on - 6K on support is -nothing,- in the context that this little company didn't spend 60K a year to keep even one MiSery-certified tech on-site.

to repeat -myself,- i've managed subnetworks for macs in large factory production and office environments, -on top of- performing my 'actual' job doing production (and having time for both, being the point). i've managed several NT boxes (as in installation from box to system to software to online to replacing fried drives) for RIPping (as print companies still usually don't make their latest-and-greatest for mac, if at all). and figured out with the few skimpy included manuals how to disassemble, clean, and recalibrate a complete three-stage linotronic film processor aww bye myie wittle shelf - not to save the co. the expensive consultant house-calls from 200 miles away - but because -that-, my friends, was -fun.- and that's one item of the ol' resume...;)

what has -not- been fun is my brief experiences with 'everything MiSery' infrastructures. and for all the money me and my little macs have saved companies over the years, they have to dump right back into their MiSery-certified staff - usually three of them, at least - at what, 60k each?? now -that's- smart, isn't it?! ;)

Sorry. I didn't have enough info before. I had assumed that you had spent that much for your home machine. Again, sorry about that.
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08-17-2006 13:53
From: Ranma Tardis
WOW! That must be the $400 Dell you see on TV.

Just think of all of the money you are saving as you wait for the stupid thing to do anything. While dual core does not help Second Life, it allows you to run all sorts of neat things in the background without waiting.

One question, what do you do with your dead apex machines? Do you do the right thing and get them "recycled" or do you toss them on the side of the road or stuff them in the garbage can?

The machines I'm referring to are ones that are over 5 years old.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-17-2006 13:53
From: Equino Faulkland
as a male in his mid to early 20s ;)
Got it. You're a 15 year old boy with no class that makes posts about pornography and pretends he's in his twenties. Good for you son. You'll make your parents proud, if you ever move out of their basement, that is.

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08-17-2006 13:53
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I've seen a little bit. Their hardware is too white trash for me. I'm just not turned on by tricked out cases. I prefer something professional and elegant.

~Ulrika~



How's this for Professional & elegant?? :D

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