What Would Jesus Do? - Girl expelled for having gay parents

I would assume gay christians would be welcome in an all gay school. Not all christians believe that homosexuality is a sin. And I personally know some gay christians. It is just about finding the right community for yourself and your family if you are going to be seeking a private school. At least that is my opinion.

This thread is about a Christian school rejecting homosexuals. No one said everyone has to follow the Bible. But shouldn't they be able to choose to follow the Bible if they want? They didn't say the homosexuals have to follow the Bible, they just said homosexual parents can't school their children in that school. The Boy Scouts won't allow homosexuals or atheists, because they are a private group they can be selective.

I would get into the debate on Bible texts, but this thread is about a school.

I am aware that a large part of the black community is anti-homosexuality. But you stated: "Comparing the Gay Rights movement to the Civil Rights movement will
get a black person to typically turn a deaf ear on the Gay Rights in an instant."

Which I felt was to be taken as a blanket viewpoint of *all* blacks. So I was showing a counter viewpoint. Yes a large majority of the black community suffers from homophobia, but not all of them. And the one person that works in my small company (25 employees, mostly black)that happens to be an open lesbian, is black. Despite the fact that 22 of the 25 employees claim to be christian, she has no flack at all from these other black co-workers. My step-uncle, who is black, just came out of the closet at 43 years of age. Our family is just glad that he can finally feel open. And these are just a few examples of non-homophobia I see that I could list. So I see acceptance on a daily basis around me. Perhaps this is why it is harder for me to understand the impact of the "majority".




I would not say apples and oranges. I can think of similarities. But I don't think I could word my views without them being totally confusing. So on this point, I'll say that I hear your side. I don't agree completly, but I don't think your view is totally different from mine.

w00t. I think this backs up a point I made in this thread. I can't remember what it was anymore, but hey!!

Oh yeah... something about not all christians being homophobes or something.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination." -Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)


Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. But then again, you Lefties can't even nail down a definition of "sex" or even "is" so I can understand your trouble here. Also there is no moderation in my support of this thus the use of strong words like "appalling". I can't count the number of people who have been turned away from Christianity by the deeds of people like this. They need to follow the examples of Christ who had time and kindness for the prostitutes and the tax collectors (then considered the worst of society).

-Kiamat Dusk

Well then I guess Lesbianism is A-OK then If you go by the letter of the bible.

Spiritual truths and experiences can not be reduced to political/sociological/theological/biblical/sexual debates.

The experience of Christ is all there is.

The rest is all illusion.

Go forth and love one another,
do to each as you would have done to you.
And don't worry, be happy!

I mean, okay, I've gone against *that* particular Biblical rule, and I've also coveted a thing or two of my neighbor's, and there have been times when I've *not* turned the struck cheek (not *that* cheek, panda, ), and I've stolen a stapler from work at my old job, and I *frequently* break the Biblical injunction against eating shellfish (conch chowder .... mmmmm ......), and I would *like* to always do the opposite of whatever that anthology of mythos insists ...

But I just can't do it! There isn't enough time in the world! And not all the commandments (or Stong Suggestions or whatever) ... not many of them are as plain-ass stoopid as what old Leviticus the Homophobe declares above.

Some of those Christian rules-for-living are downright helpful and lovely and socially constuctive, after all. And so it's gonna take a lot of effort on my part, a lot of going-against-my-own-inclinations, to even start to break them. But I'm *trying*, okay, I'm giving it the best I've got! Cut a sister some slack, okay, Kiamat? I'll get around to being more sinful as soon as I possibly can. And then you'll have even more to be appalled by. YAY!


(Do I get suspended now, for name-checking Leviticus? Or does he have to A/R me first?)

I actually find your experience pretty hard to believe, especially in Georgia. I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

I actually hope you read any of the information I linked. When you are talking about the majority of black people that actually vote, since most black people don't vote, the socially conservative numbers are quite high. If you are going to continue to use personal antidotes of an extremely limited scope as an argument, there is no point in continuing.

Please do not give me the benefit of the doubt in public, then flame me in a PM. It is rude and makes my public response seem ugly, when I am rightly angry about being flamed and accused of something I did not even do.



That is fine. I have no reason to continue talking with you either. There are much better people I can learn from and share experiences with.

What I find quite hilarious is that a whole group of people has been asking you to very plainly state your point. What is it? Where is your well-reasoned, logical solution to this complex social puzzle? All you have done is dance around the topic, and accuse everyone else of misconstruing your meaning. Sounds like you're the one with wax in your ears.



Wow, you took the words right out of my mouth, only WRT your posts, not mine. That's exactly what your previous points seemed to imply. What on earth do you hope to accomplish with your vague but accusatory posts?



Right on, Pen. I'm with you on this one.

Umm Paolo, you have not asked me a specific question, you continue to engage in circular dialogue. You made some bullshit statement about everyone being the same and said something about Ghandi. I said that people are different and to deny those differences is insulting. I'm not so sure what is unclear about that.


And my original point is this thread was the parents are asshats, irresponsible,possibly guilty of passive child neglect and probably using the kid as a pawn to make a point. I thought Neehai comparison of the Gay Rights Movement to the Civil Rights Movement, out of line, and I stated so.


Again, it is all pretty clear so I don't understand the confusion except that some people seem to be unwilling to accept that other people have different opinions from them.

What's unclear is why you take this particular stand and how you can even begin to justify it. You are clearly stating an opinion, here, not a fact. I disagree, and if you recall, I stated that I "respectfully" disagree with you. You are the one who seems to like to perpetuate negativity.

What's bullshit about our common humanity? Why does that bother or offend you? Seems to me that those who want to segregate themselves are the ones who stand to lose the most. Gays are looking for integration into the mainstream, not segregation.

We may differ culturally and look different, but when you boil it all down, we're all human beings. That was Ghandi's message. Again, how is this bullshit?


Who made you judge and jury? Those parents have NOT taken any action. You and others made several assumptions about this family, but none of those assumptions were reported in the two linked articles. I say the school are asshats for applying the letter of the law instead of the spirit.


To use your own phrase: Pot, kettle, black.

Again Paolo, we are disagreeing on semantics, which is just stupid so I am going to discontinue this line of conversation as it is pointless.



I think the parents are either some of the most naive and ignorant people in America or willfully negligent. The job of a parent is to protect a child, to put a child in an environment such as this only increases the possibly ridicule the child would endure, and now the child’s education has been interrupted quite possibly unnecessarily due to a lack of forethought on the part of the parents.


While I don't agree with the schools actions, I support their right as a private institution to set their own rules. If they happen to be receiving any Title I funds, then they should be stripped of those immediately.

Stupid? Nice word choice. Again? I didn't know we had established that as the basis of our disagreement.

Your opinions are duly noted. Now, would you kindly move along and allow the rest of us to continue the discussion?

Yes, continue Christian and Religion bashing at will...

or else i turn this car around.

the 'bible' is simply a book, ink printed on paper; written by man (so far, i still can't figure any -women- were really involved in this thing, except for maybe serving up coffee and sex on demand), edited by man, typeset by man, printed, published, distributed, and profited by man.

'god' has nothing to do with it. so whatever your beliefs/opinions, this book is just one among many books on the bookshelf that was written, proofed, blue-lined, etc etc etc, all the printworld technicals (anybody with a computer could write up their own now).

take a serious pause, and consider that anything you believe - ANYthing you belive, based upon or otherwise involving such said book, ONLY involves the PEOPLE who WROTE IT... not 'god'. no matter what their 'inspirations' were... shit, i know a whole helluva lot of people who are 'inspired', but truly fucked up. no two ways about it.

god does not run our printing presses. period.

sorry to knock your soapboxes out from under ya, but really, take it seriously. elsewise, noone else (who doesn't already agree with your p.o.v.) can take you seriously, either.

I could post a really long well thought out view here but I'm not sure it would be heard, so let me sum it up in a "this post shorter than hand" manner.

Nyoko, whatever you believe you are free to believe, however the Bible is not just a book. The history of how the current versions came to pass is fascinating, and yes, male editing came into play I'm sure but have some respect. I would never, although I am Christian, make a public pronouncement that any of the major documents of the other world religions were just some hoo ha on a page and they need to get over it. I suspect that by the time I know what the 100% truth of the matter is I'll be dead and somebody else'll be pointing it out to me. God said judge not lest you be judged and I try to live by this although being human I sometimes fail miserably.

Point two: the school is a private institution who can make their own decisions as such, but I do not think it was a Christian act. My disagreement with their statement of belief would take two hands...lol..anyhoo. If they got any federal funding then I have a big fat problem with it. These parents knew where they were enrolling their child. I would suspect better than 75% that they had to sign off on documentation about whether they agreed with that school's beliefs at enrollment. The state of American education is so shabby that if it was a good school I could imagine maybe the parents hoped it might not be an issue but it's not as if the school didn't probably have a very obviously conservative slant. I'm still appalled by the narrow mindedness and think judging others for their sexual orientation is wrong, I'm just saying. Also, I take any brief press article I read with a healthy dose of skepticism so I'll reserve my opinion on it for more details.

The story of what Christ was about, as a rebel leader who defied many of the common mores of his time, and what his story has been turned into: a platform to judge others and uphold the established order as "right"...two totally different things. The Bible is a book, but not "just" a book...and much is left to individual interpretation.

I find it interesting that many people have taken this article and placed it into the context of whether or not the parents were at fault, or the child was a lesbian converting whore.

Furthermore it has been stated that the school has every right to do this. It was also stated the parents were stupid and negligent.

This leads me back to my original question. WWJD?

The question for me isn't whether this school has the right as a private institution to have these rules but rather should they have these rules as a "Christian" institution.

Additionally, since it is debatable as to whether or not these rules are truly "Christian"in nature, are the parents at fault for not checking? Or would they assume a truly Christian school would accept their daughter regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents?

I know protestant children who went to Catholic school. Is it much different?

This is less about the letter of the law and more about my undersand the levels and ideals of Christianity. I keep getting mixed messages or I am told that the examples that affect me and my community are not indicative of the Christian community. I even hear the term "good Christian" from time to time.

I am not a Christian. I have read the bible and fid it too unbelievable to accept much of it as truth. I can see how it came to be from a historic perspective. As a non-Christian it is hard for me to honestly understand A from B when I look at the religion.

So, WWJD if he were to open a school today?

i wished to post great and expansive kudos to the last couple posters for speaking reasonably, even if i may disagree with individual reasonings... this thread has displayed a whole lotta -unreasonableness,- let alone reasoning. i'm not sure what it's all digressed into, but it sure feels ugly, whatever it is.

to somewhat play upon a point i made earlier (might've gotten lost in the noise), history is not to be ignored, whatever it may be. -however,- history in and of itself only displays the predisposition of all that leads up to that point - which may be entirely snafu'd in the first place.

was trying to make the point that, some days you just have to wake up and realize that most of what you've presumed to be 'real' is just a bunch of ka-ka. this in no way is to rob people of that urge, that need, that feeling to reach out into the unknown and try to grasp some knowledge that hasn't come before... it's -natural.-

i was raised all my life as a 'methodist' (i know; many hardliners will simply consider that a joke, just as i do now myself - after a certain point, i realized that y'know, most of the people here in this building two hours every sunday are only here because they don't really have other friends, because they have -no other interests- except for this mentally-incestual hobby. myself, i'd already read the bible, knew the ten commandments and the golden rule (and, like the three robot laws, felt that there were fine lines not really being considered - 'onward christian soldiers,' anyone?

past a certain point, you already know what you need to know, and you already know what's right in life. time to get to -living it.- oftentimes, i wonder if my family could really live in the world i know... the -real- world, past the television screen.

Where was that stated by anyone? Please provide a quote.

Didn't take long for me to find this:
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Georgia is a lot more cosmopolitan than many people think.

coco

He would let in ALL the children. Jesus loved all the little children.

coco