I think it's funny when people complain the forums are bad now.
Bad was when the majority of threads would absolutely become flamefests in 3 pages or less. Things are a whole lot better than they were.
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-02-2005 01:42
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Huns Valen
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10-02-2005 01:47
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Malachi Petunia
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10-02-2005 02:45
I think it's funny when people complain the forums are bad now. Bad was when the majority of threads would absolutely become flamefests in 3 pages or less. Things are a whole lot better than they were. |
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
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10-02-2005 03:33
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DogSpot Boxer
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10-02-2005 05:09
I think it's funny when people complain the forums are bad now. Bad was when the majority of threads would absolutely become flamefests in 3 pages or less. Things are a whole lot better than they were. I can understand that but bad is bad, regardless of whether it's "better". This forum isn't really that bad, but I do get the feeling that one needs to step lightly a lot of the time. You don't know jack shit. I do. He lives at the end of my street. _____________________
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Joseph Proudfoot
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10-02-2005 07:14
What does Hippocrates have to do with any of the actions displayed here?
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Beryl Greenacre
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10-02-2005 07:39
Although I had to study logical fallacies, I am not a big fan of invoking them, because there are literally scores of them. We would be hard pressed to have any meaningful dialogue if we were to apply them all consistently. And what is one without the rest, if we are going to play that way? Generally, I find their use in informal venues such as forums somewhat ironic, because many times, people invoke logical fallacies due to the same reasoning they accuse their opponent of employing - to shut them down.   _____________________
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Alexin Bismark
Annoying Bastard
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10-02-2005 07:42
I am referring to the reactions I personally received, when I used to invoke logical fallacies with my RL friends, family, and coworkers. Which has a lot to do with why I generally don't use them (as well as the reasons outlined above), especially online. Personally my reaction is to just roll my eyes, point and chuckles with friends and coworkers reading over my shoulder at the user.  Generally, I find their use in informal venues such as forums somewhat ironic, because many times, people invoke logical fallacies due to the same reasoning they accuse their opponent of employing - to shut them down. Finally, remember, not all of us took those courses, so expecting everyone to follow the logic taught some of us is fairly unreasonable, and many times perceived as snobbish. Actually this reminded me of one of the second best commentaries on the use (or overuser or incorrect use) of logical fallacies in an argument found on Steven's Guide to the Logical Fallacies which host the Logical Fallacies discussion list. (The first best commentary I have to give to my Prof that taught Intro to Modal Logic andCritical Reasoning back in my days as a young know-it-all college student. hehehe. I'm still smarting from that one.) I'll quote from Steven's Guide below, as I think it provide some useful tips on avoiding some of what you, Iridian, were talking about: Using Your Knowledge In your day-to-day life you will encounter many examples of fallacious reasoning. And it's fun - and sometimes even useful - to point to an argument and say, "A ha! That argument commits the fallacy of false dilemma." It may be fun, but it is not very useful. Nor is it very enlightened. The names of the fallacies are for identification purposes only. They are not supposed to be flung around like argumentative broadswords. It is not sufficient to state that an opponent has committed such-and-such a fallacy. And it is not very polite. This Guide is intended to help you in your own thinking, not to help you demolish someone else's argument. When you are establishing your own ideas and beliefs, evaluate them in the light of the fallacies described here. When evaluating the ideas and arguments proposed to you by others, keep in mind that you need to prove that the others' reasoning is fallacious. That is why there is a 'proof' section in the description of each fallacy. The 'proof' section is intended to give you a mechanism for showing that the reasoning is flawed. Apply the methodology described in the 'proof' section to the passage in question. Construct your own argument. Use this argument - not the name of the fallacy - to respond. So use reason with caution, and if you really want to persuade someone of something, remember that compassion, honesty and tact are as important as logic. Alexin |
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Alexin Bismark
Annoying Bastard
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10-02-2005 07:59
I think it's funny when people complain the forums are bad now. Bad was when the majority of threads would absolutely become flamefests in 3 pages or less. Things are a whole lot better than they were. {GrupyOldForumReader Mode On} In MY day we'd have to walk 10 miles in the snow, up hill, through a forest of 100 Trolls, wade through a sewer of verbal diarrhea, brave a gauntlet of public ego masterbation and cross a highway of Hit&Run Alt drivers JUST to find the Linden response to my question about the newest patch release! And we LIKED it! {GrupyOldForumReader Mode Off} Alexin |
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Alexin Bismark
Annoying Bastard
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10-02-2005 08:00
What does Hippocrates have to do with any of the actions displayed here? If he read the forums he would have added an "Unless...." clause to the end of his oath? |
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Joseph Proudfoot
Proud Tsalagi
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10-02-2005 08:03
If he read the forums he would have added an "Unless...." clause to the end of his oath? Heh, I like you. Peace, Joseph _____________________
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I will miss you. Which wolf are we feeding today? "Crime is a smudge on the face of our world, and I, my friend, I am the wet nap of justice!!" Something the Tick should have said. "I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability" Ron White |
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Emma Soyinka
Got moo? o_o
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10-02-2005 08:08
Using Your Knowledge In your day-to-day life you will encounter many examples of fallacious reasoning. And it's fun - and sometimes even useful - to point to an argument and say, "A ha! That argument commits the fallacy of false dilemma." It may be fun, but it is not very useful. Nor is it very enlightened. The names of the fallacies are for identification purposes only. They are not supposed to be flung around like argumentative broadswords. It is not sufficient to state that an opponent has committed such-and-such a fallacy. And it is not very polite. I will be sure to use that when my brother invokes ad hominem on me for calling him on his BS. "What? Saying it's an ad hominem isn't an argument, why don't you try to actually discredit what I say instead of using labels for tools to further your own thinking processes.". I think it's funny when people complain the forums are bad now. Bad was when the majority of threads would absolutely become flamefests in 3 pages or less. Things are a whole lot better than they were. Yeah, it's much better now, it only happens on the 4th page and beyond. |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
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10-02-2005 08:10
--- Some of you, should get a fucking life or a job or see a shrink. These forums are not a daycare or touchy-feely place where one is entitled more than anyone else. If one cannot accept criticism, then don't post expecting sympathy either. ... Life for living! Jobs good! Shrinks lamo! Daycare and head-lice rock! Touch-feely Excellent! when free! Entitlement only for the dead!  _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
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10-02-2005 09:10
Can somone give us a "best of" list on each? Best of the bullies, best of the hypocrites, best of the know-it-alls? I just don't feel comfortable anymore unless I read a "best of" list. Or a poll, how about a poll? I'd feel better if there was a poll.... Anyone want to fall on that sword for the good of the forum? _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-02-2005 09:27
Life for living! Jobs good! Shrinks lamo! Daycare and head-lice rock! Touch-feely Excellent! when free! Entitlement only for the dead! LOL Merwan you are such a dork. _____________________
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
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10-02-2005 09:41
As my dead friend Elvis said - "Thank you, thank you very much!"
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Teeny Leviathan
Never started World War 3
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10-02-2005 12:17
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-02-2005 12:37
Was he dead before or after he became your friend? That information is sealed by court order. _____________________
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Snowcrash Hoffman
Digital mind virus
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10-02-2005 13:16
As my dead friend Elvis said - "Thank you, thank you very much!" Elvis is not dead! You are a lier Merwan! |
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
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10-02-2005 14:07
*eyes wide, the truth dawns upon him with full, brutal force*
*chokes up* I'm... I'm sorry. It took this thread to see myself truly for what I am... I have been the absolute terror of these forums, haven't I? And am in utter remorse for the damage I have caused. *sniff* I realise now, that I sounded like a know-it-all in the scripting tips area. And once, I posted a comment in General. I thought I was completely ignored like a newbie, but no... I had merely quashed all replies. Ah, the damage I must have caused to those poor people. Every day is a gift, and I took that away from so many. *gets another tissue* You see, I had no idea all of you lived in such fear of my casual retort... I don't feel it when you constantly check my profile, or shrink away from my presence. I honestly thought I was just another resident, a nobody. But I have finally seen the light. Is it possible... I didn't think it existed, but... could *I* really embody this 'feted inner core'? Denial is a powerful thing - my blind spot was enormous... I *really* had no idea. I didn't think much of it at the time when a Linden said hello to me once. But I have finally seen myself through your eyes, and the sight isn't pretty. Thank you... thank you for returning me to the rest of humanity. I shall dedicate myself to being the most obscure newbie I can, and perhaps in time... everyone will forgive my past transgressions. My terrible fame will fade, and I'll be a simple resident once more. Please, oh please everyone, give me one last chance! *sniffles* I think... I think I need a hug now. - A thoroughly demoralised but wiser Desmond |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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10-02-2005 14:19
This thread makes baby Jesus cry.
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Marilyn Murphy
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10-02-2005 14:40
i am so glad i won the forums and don't have to read this drivel anymore. wait...uh...ohhhhh..ok...n/m.
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Snowcrash Hoffman
Digital mind virus
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10-02-2005 15:18
This thread makes baby Jesus cry. ~Ulrika~ Yes, probably because he realized your soul can not be saved |
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
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10-03-2005 00:53
I think... I think I need a hug now. *weeps and wails in best awards fashion* I too am guilty! My bosom heaves with the shame. I've jumped in on other people's serious threads and made jokes! I've called some of the Lindens cute! I've grasped both horns of a dilemma at the same time without protection. Let's face it, I've become a forum slut. |
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Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
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10-03-2005 09:13
well since I am Jake the wise and omniscient, I gues I am a know it all. But that cool becuase as a matter of fact I do know everything, and you are all entitled to my opinion.
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