concieve a child to be a bone marrow donor, your thoughts?
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:00
From: Finning Widget So, the third picture clearly had anencephaly, and would not have survived for a year past birth. The fifth one is a diagram. I'm sorry- You posted those without a real understanding of the subject and without understanding what you were claiming - you chose those for shock value. Yes, the drawing is "an aborted baby" for sure. Do you even know what may have been the medical state of the other two actual fetuses?
I hate ignorant uneducated propagandists more than I hate fascists who want to tell me what I can and cannot do based on thier own religion's uptightness. Way to belittle and torment women who have a hard choice to make. Exactly! tis always very easy for people to shout fromthe sidelines:/ But you know.. fate often has a weird way of dealing with people with such attitudes  |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:03
From: Jessy Kent pretty sure I know a lot about the subject, more then you anyways. Im sorry you believe in murdering the little ones. Did you have an abortion? Probably, thats why you defend it on such a personal level. Excuse me, you are very very rude. You do certainly come across as an uneducted person. Not only that you appear to belong to the "conclusion jumper"g roup of humans, who often fall on thier faces exactly just because of that. What makes you think you have the right to makes such statements to another human being? You appear to want to come across in your postings as some kindo f champion of humankind, yet you do this to the fellow SLer? WHY? Here's an idea.. find the nearest mirror and have along hard look in it. |
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Sally Rosebud
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08-02-2006 08:06
Considering I have no children yet, I can't say what I would or wouldn't do for certain. I probably would go to great lengths to save my child, even having another to save his/her life. Believe me, both would be very much loved.
Jessy, if you want to debate abortion here, start a new thread, I can tell you, you won't have an easy time of it here.
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:06
From: Jessy Kent Put the baby up for adoption once it's born. Also if you search you will find that this has happened before and the child has turned out to be a blessing to the woman. Lol! I wondered when the "rape" scenario would pop up. You appear to be very pie in the sky in your ideals, something that is often reflected in young ones. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:07
From: Jessy Kent an abortion has many psychological and physical sideffects, some short and some long term. Adding an abortion is a lot of stress, having the child and putting it up for adoption would be less stressful because you're doing the rgiht thing. ..... And you know this for a fact ... HOw? |
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 08:09
From: Luthien Unsung Excuse me, you are very very rude. You do certainly come across as an uneducted person. Not only that you appear to belong to the "conclusion jumper"g roup of humans, who often fall on thier faces exactly just because of that.
What makes you think you have the right to makes such statements to another human being? You appear to want to come across in your postings as some kindo f champion of humankind, yet you do this to the fellow SLer?
WHY?
Here's an idea.. find the nearest mirror and have along hard look in it. what makes you think you have the right to abort the little ones? Yes I do have the right to make such statements, it's called freedom of speech. |
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 08:09
From: Luthien Unsung And you know this for a fact ... HOw? go to google and type in "side effects of abortion", there you'll find it. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:09
From: Jessy Kent I agree that the father must also want to abort the baby, how is that right that only the woman can have a say. If I had a wife that wanted to abort my baby and I didn't, I would go nutz! Tread carefully.. fate might bite you on the arse... I had an idea you were a male. a few years ago, I rang an abortion help line just to see what help they had to offer. I was greeted by a man on the end of the phone.. mistake number one.. and of course it was a pro-life, anit-abortion establishment.. So I questioned him on what "help" the provided.. During the pregnancy.. and POST partum.. They really had very little to offer anit-patrum and NOTHING AT ALL post patrum Their only agenda was to beat the "abortion is wrong" drum. |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-02-2006 08:10
From: Jessy Kent what makes you think you have the right to abort the little ones? Yes I do have the right to make such statements, it's called freedom of speach. but apparently not freedom of spell check speech != speach
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 08:11
From: Luthien Unsung Tread carefully.. fate might bite you on the arse... you too, fate might not bite your arse but my truck will be coming soon. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:14
From: Jessy Kent what makes you think you have the right to abort the little ones? Yes I do have the right to make such statements, it's called freedom of speech. yes freedom of speech, judgemental, and still rude. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 08:14
From: Jessy Kent go to google and type in "side effects of abortion", there you'll find it. No.. you are the one providing the "argument" for the case you have put forward, if you were educated, you would KNOW the onus is on you to provide valid sources. |
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08-02-2006 08:15
From: Jessy Kent you too, fate might not bite your arse but my truck will be coming soon. Your truck? Are you planning to get run over? Best you have that living will well prepared then  |
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 08:16
From: Luthien Unsung No.. you are the one providing the "argument" for the case you have put forward, if you were educated, you would KNOW the onus is on you to provide valid sources. get off your lazy arse and look, i don't want to go and find the 20 dozen hit results that show all the side effects. |
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Joy Honey
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08-02-2006 08:18
From: Jessy Kent get off your lazy arse and look, i don't want to go and find the 20 dozen hit results that show all the side effects. YOU are the one making the claims, YOU provide the evidence. By the way, it is none of your business if anyone has had an abortion. It's called "privacy". You might want to look up the word privacy on your next go at google.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-02-2006 08:18
From: Jessy Kent get off your lazy arse and look, i don't want to go and find the 20 dozen hit results that show all the side effects. 20 dozen? hmm before you get that high school diploma, please take a few english courses, and some math classes wouldn't be wasted
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 08:20
From: Billybob Goodliffe 20 dozen? hmm before you get that high school diploma, please take a few english courses, and some math classes wouldn't be wasted 20 dozen means that there are 20 12's meaning that 20 x 12 = 240 |
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Cordell McKinley
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08-02-2006 08:30
I wonder how much of this is actually helpful to Chri5. His question is whether or not the procedure [to sane ones child] is ethical, not whether or not abortion is. Abortion is a very ugly word. Anyone with a conscious cannot help but to accept that. I don’t see this as an issue that involves “taking” but one that involves “saving” a life. I think the BMJ article early in this thread gave ample evidence of a way to circumvent the concept of abortion and good parents should consider the option of in vitro fertilization to avoid this kind of moral dilemma. However, the moral dilemma that stills exists revolves around a philosophical notion of God. Do we have the right to play God? Do we have the responsibility to use the gifts given to us by God i.e. technology to save lives and provide a better one for a child that is “dealt a bad hand”. |
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08-02-2006 08:30
Not sure how this got into an abortion discussion, but I wish it would STFU!
Moving back to the topic of the thread.
First of all, I'm a mother and moreso a mother who has lost a child. I don't see how that gives me any more moral or ethical weight in this argument. The experiences might change my viewpoint, but that doesn't mean they will change them in one direction or another.
In my opinion, it is ethically wrong to have a baby with the main goal of gettting a bone donor. People die, children die and it sucks, but that doesn't justify using an unconsenting person as a means to an end.
This makes me think of the movie Lorenzo's Oil (based on a RL story). I always thought the mother in that story suffered from an amazing selfishness. She couldn't bear to see him die, so she volunteered him for a great deal of suffering. Her son couldn't consent to be used as a lab rat for the possible benefit of others.
It doesn't matter that other people benefited from his suffering. He wasn't able to consent. The proposed baby can't consent either.
What about a kidney? Should you have a baby so in a few years they can donate a kidney for your older kid who is going to die otherwise?
See where I'm going?
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Lillie Guildenstern
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08-02-2006 08:54
From: Jessy Kent you too, fate might not bite your arse but my truck will be coming soon. LOL Such a pro-life statement. Who speaks for the born? /weeps |
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Sally Rosebud
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08-02-2006 09:00
From: Lillie Guildenstern LOL Such a pro-life statement. Who speaks for the born?
/weeps In my experience on these forums, pro-life= only care for the unborn. 
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Sally Rosebud
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08-02-2006 09:03
Surreal, I can see where you are going. This is one of those tough subjects. There is a fine line between doing anything for your child and knowing when to let go.
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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08-02-2006 09:21
From: Joy Honey Thanks Kevn. Shhh, we're not supposed to know it's him.
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Joy Honey
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08-02-2006 09:22
From: Zuzu Fassbinder Shhh, we're not supposed to know it's him. We aren't? Damn. Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things? 
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08-02-2006 09:25
From: Joy Honey We aren't? Damn. Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things? you didn't get the memo? 
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