concieve a child to be a bone marrow donor, your thoughts?
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Finning Widget
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08-01-2006 22:16
So, the third picture clearly had anencephaly, and would not have survived for a year past birth. The fifth one is a diagram. I'm sorry- You posted those without a real understanding of the subject and without understanding what you were claiming - you chose those for shock value. Yes, the drawing is "an aborted baby" for sure. Do you even know what may have been the medical state of the other two actual fetuses? I hate ignorant uneducated propagandists more than I hate fascists who want to tell me what I can and cannot do based on thier own religion's uptightness. Way to belittle and torment women who have a hard choice to make. |
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 05:39
From: Finning Widget So, the third picture clearly had anencephaly, and would not have survived for a year past birth. The fifth one is a diagram. I'm sorry- You posted those without a real understanding of the subject and without understanding what you were claiming - you chose those for shock value. Yes, the drawing is "an aborted baby" for sure. Do you even know what may have been the medical state of the other two actual fetuses?
I hate ignorant uneducated propagandists more than I hate fascists who want to tell me what I can and cannot do based on thier own religion's uptightness. Way to belittle and torment women who have a hard choice to make. pretty sure I know a lot about the subject, more then you anyways. Im sorry you believe in murdering the little ones. Did you have an abortion? Probably, thats why you defend it on such a personal level. |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-02-2006 05:48
Jessy, you seem anti abortion. I have a hypothectical question for you, say a woman was raped and ended up pregnant. She didn't want the child but had no choice in the matter, should she not have the ability to erase the effects of the rape as best she can, including the fetus? She doesn't know whether the rapist was a druggie, had some genetic disease, or anything. If you say she has to carry the child from that then you need to do some serious soul searching.
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 06:00
From: Billybob Goodliffe Jessy, you seem anti abortion. I have a hypothectical question for you, say a woman was raped and ended up pregnant. She didn't want the child but had no choice in the matter, should she not have the ability to erase the effects of the rape as best she can, including the fetus? She doesn't know whether the rapist was a druggie, had some genetic disease, or anything. If you say she has to carry the child from that then you need to do some serious soul searching. Put the baby up for adoption once it's born. Also if you search you will find that this has happened before and the child has turned out to be a blessing to the woman. |
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08-02-2006 06:04
From: Jessy Kent Put the baby up for adoption once it's born. Also if you search you will find that this has happened before and the child has turned out to be a blessing to the woman. sure in some cases, however why should she go through more pain during childbirth and the pregnancy for something she didn't want, and our adoption system isn't working too well.
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 06:18
From: Billybob Goodliffe sure in some cases, however why should she go through more pain during childbirth and the pregnancy for something she didn't want, and our adoption system isn't working too well. an abortion has many psychological and physical sideffects, some short and some long term. Adding an abortion is a lot of stress, having the child and putting it up for adoption would be less stressful because you're doing the rgiht thing. Adoption system isn't as bad as you think for new born babies. |
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08-02-2006 06:20
From: Jessy Kent an abortion has many psychological and physical sideffects, some short and some long term. Adding an abortion is a lot of stress, having the child and putting it up for adoption would be less stressful because you're doing the rgiht thing. Adoption system isn't as bad as you think for new born babies. you've obviously never been around pregnant women <shudders>
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 06:30
From: Billybob Goodliffe you've obviously never been around pregnant women <shudders> obviously you are not pro-life. |
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08-02-2006 06:32
From: Jessy Kent obviously you are not pro-life. I actually am, but I see why people would not want to have a baby. My feelings are that Roe V Wade was kinda sexist, I think the father should have some say except in certain situations, like the aforementioned rape.
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 06:36
From: Billybob Goodliffe I actually am, but I see why people would not want to have a baby. My feelings are that Roe V Wade was kinda sexist, I think the father should have some say except in certain situations, like the aforementioned rape. I agree that the father must also want to abort the baby, how is that right that only the woman can have a say. If I had a wife that wanted to abort my baby and I didn't, I would go nutz! |
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08-02-2006 06:39
From: Jessy Kent I agree that the father must also want to abort the baby, how is that right that only the woman can have a say. If I had a wife that wanted to abort my baby and I didn't, I would go nutz! course the flip side of this, you get the Jerry Springer "who's my baby daddy?" women so there isn't a way to find the father
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:35
From: Jessy Kent I wouldnt' ever do that, I am not a mother but it is morally wrong if you are going to have to abort a child. Aborting a child to save another child? What if you have to go through 2 abortions? 3 abortions? When do you draw the line? You are basically killing a child to save another child if you have to.
How would you feel if you were born and used to save your sister, then when you are of the age of maturity your parents tell you that you were the 4th child and they aborted 3 others before you. THen you realize that if you didn't have the compatible bone marrow, you would be aborted too. I would feel bad knowing that they killed 3 other children before me and would've killed me as well if it wasn't for my compatible marrow.
How would you feel if you were the child being saved? Knowing that it took your parents 3 or 4 children to save you. They killed 3 or 4 babies to save you. I don't care what you say, aborting a child is murder. They will try to tell you that a baby isn't a baby until it's born, before then it is a fetus and before a fetus it is an embryo until 8 weeks.
It has the complete genetic makeup to be a human therefore it is a human. YOu are human from beginning to the end, you don't polymorph from embryo to human. You are a human emybro when you are concieved meaning you are human, real, and you deserve all the rights of a living human being as soon as you are concieved.
When they put all the elements together to melt and make plasic it still called plastic even before it is molded, shouldn't a human still be a human before it is molded completely? For a bone marrow transplant the baby does not need to be aborted. |
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 07:38
From: Luthien Unsung For a bone marrow transplant the baby does not need to be aborted. yea we know that, you can take marrow from the unbilical cord and other spots in the baby but we are talking about abortiong the child if it has incompatible bone marrow. The statement by Chri5 Somme was that they were doing prenatal testing for compatible bone marrow and if it wasn't compatible, they'd abort the baby and try again. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:39
From: Jessy Kent would you abort 3 other children beforehand if they weren't compatible? If someone is going to die of lukemia and you can't find a compatible bone marrow donor then some might call it fate and you should die. How can teh world population balance out if we keep saving all these people that are supposed to die. Fate decides who will come and who will go but now days we make fate wait a bit. If you truly feel this way, I hope that you have a living will with explicit directives. In the event of so and so.. i do not wish to be intubated, i do not wish to be defribullated, i do not wish to have a trach, i do not wish to me kept alive by any mechanical means, etc, etc, etc. Sadly many of the medical interventions will allow you to recover fully and lead a full life. But .. it is fate that you should die  |
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08-02-2006 07:41
From: Jessy Kent oh and read this
Salt Poisoning (Saline Injection):
"Used after 16 weeks (four months) when enough fluid has accumulated. A long needle injects a strong salt solution through the mother's abdomen into the baby's sac. The baby swallows this fluid and is poisoned by it. It also acts as a corrosive, burning off the outer layer of skin. It normally takes somewhat over an hour for the baby to die from this. Within 24 hours, labor will usually set in and the mother will give birth to a dead or dying baby. (There have been many cases of these babies being born alive. They are usually left unattended to die. However, a few have survived and later been adopted.) "
and you guys are telling me you wuold abort a child over and over if you had to so that you could save one of your own? Anyone who has an abortion makes me sick. That is fine for you but I did not raise daughters to have them die in child birth just so some weird rule that an unborn life is more important than an existing life. If you think that unborn life should be protected, why is there so little pre natal care available where it is needed? |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:44
From: Jessy Kent oh and read this
Salt Poisoning (Saline Injection):
"Used after 16 weeks (four months) when enough fluid has accumulated. A long needle injects a strong salt solution through the mother's abdomen into the baby's sac. The baby swallows this fluid and is poisoned by it. It also acts as a corrosive, burning off the outer layer of skin. It normally takes somewhat over an hour for the baby to die from this. Within 24 hours, labor will usually set in and the mother will give birth to a dead or dying baby. (There have been many cases of these babies being born alive. They are usually left unattended to die. However, a few have survived and later been adopted.) "
and you guys are telling me you wuold abort a child over and over if you had to so that you could save one of your own? Anyone who has an abortion makes me sick. Hrm nice. Then when you get pregnant and your life is on the line because of some complication or other.. what choice will you make? Have you REALLY considered what you are saying? Hrm you better add that to your living will medical directives too.. There is a saying.. "Never say never".. and i wonder why you are so completely judgemental of people.. .. not such a good idea until you have walked in their shoes.. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:46
From: Joy Honey Did you know that if you miscarry and the baby doesn't expel on it's own, they take the baby out? It's called a D&C if you were in the early stages of pregnancy when you miscarried. It's also counted among the abortion statistics, if I remember correctly. Yes, that is absolutely correct, all "sponteneous abortions" are included int he statistics. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:47
From: Jessy Kent If I had a child I would do everything I could to try and save it with out having to kill another child, abortion is murder. I would search far and wide and offer million $$ in payment for anyone to come forward with compatible bone marrow. Do you know in some phillipino countries they sell one of their kidney's for around $200USD? I would go there and offer thousands more to test other people in search of compatible bone marrow. Did you know that the success rate of a bone marrow transplant is noteven 60%? Usually people recieving a bone marrow transplant die before they can heal. please provide the appropriate research data to back up this figure. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:48
From: Jessy Kent chances of embryo testing are so inaccurate it isn't funny. 50/50 pretty much and they've often said that they test positive for it and then eventually when the child is born, they were wrong and test negative. Please provide research data to back up this number. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:49
From: Siobhan OFlynn Source please?
I'm a registered nurse in my first life. Consider who you're debating with before entering the debate. HEAR! HEAR! |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:50
From: Jessy Kent pretty sure abortion was part of the discussion erm no it wasn't actually, you hijacked the thread to beat you own drum. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:52
From: Jessy Kent google.com You are the one providing the argument, if you want it to be considered even remotely valid, YOU back up what you are saying. |
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Jessy Kent
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08-02-2006 07:53
seems to me that im not alone, the poll speaks for itself.
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:54
Are you absolutely sure about that?? Maybe you could do some time in a L&D unit, you might be suprised what some people actually end up giving birth to.. Consider the name of the website, the source. Those pictures are on there to disturb you, they are not properly documented etc, etc.. |
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Luthien Unsung
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08-02-2006 07:57
From: Jellin Pico I find it to be a disturbing reason for having a child. Like having a kid for spare parts.
The idea that you would abort the child if it's not a match I find reprehensible and morally corrupt Who said the child needs to be aborted for such a transplant? |
