Stop Paying People to Attend Your Event
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Chris Byrne
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07-26-2005 23:27
From: Siggy Romulus Make it mandatory that they all have to be made as photorealistic testicles, accompanied by hover text saying 'If you want some money, just touch my balls' That'd do. Maybe Czech?- Gar Galmi Balzac nahhhh a Czech would never utter the phrase. No really.
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Travis Lambert
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07-27-2005 07:49
From: Lo Jacobs ...And sometimes you do it wonderfully (whoever you are). Madame, your events are wonderful. And fun. And I'm sure other people have great events too. The Shelter, for instance, does give people money (usually around $10 a pop). I think The Shelter is a great place. Hehe - I just caught this... Thanks, Lo  I like to think of it as funding Texture uploads - 1 texture at a time  When older folks get hit by the money machine, I tend to get a friendly heckling about the $10. But when new folks get it - they say 'wow'. Mission accomplished 
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Branduff Kojima
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07-28-2005 04:44
I agree that people should start charging for events. Especially for things like classes and the like. I personally would be willing to pay to go to an event as long as it was something original, and not more of the same tringo slingo, etcetera.
I say this, but I also realize that most people will look at an event, see that there is a 10L cover charge "or whatever" and immediately decide not to attend it. People in secondlife seem to have the idea that the world owes them something, and that they should be given money wherever they go...
I'm not saying that every single person who owns a club is a horrible person... I'm just saying that they're paying people to visit their property, and that's nothing amazing, just more of the same. I mean, is it really 'success' if the only thing keeping people at your property is the giant floating money balls and ultra popular games?
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RyeDin Meiji
Reluctant Entrepeneur
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Help is on the way...
08-18-2005 17:14
Check this out. A movement is starting. We are going to bring back event subsidation.We're also starting a movement of "We can solve this damn problem!" mentality vs. the current "All I can do is complain about this damn problem!" We need help, click the above link, read up on it and let me know if you're in.
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Angel Leviathan
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08-18-2005 17:32
This thread consists of lots of words. I skipped almost all of them.
If people want to pay other people for attending events thats up to them.
If people want to pay other people for clothes thats up to them.
If people want to pay other people for sex thats up to them.
If people want to pay other people for rates thats up to them.
If people want to pay other people for blah blah blah blah blah
It's not just one person's SL. It's everyone's SL.
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SeXXXy Bliss
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I don't pay a monthly fee....
08-19-2005 06:52
From: Nikolaii Uritsky I skipped most of this thread, but I just want to say something.
Why should people who don't pay monthly fees and don't actually contribute anything to the community by building or designing or scripting or whatever or to the economy by GOMing money into SL be rewarded for ANYTHING?
If they get pissed off about not getting something for nothing and leave SL because of it, then good. We're better off without them anyway.
Oh, and for the record, I'm a Lifer. But i DO however contribute to SL in many ways! I used to pay for the premium account, then after my stroke I lost my job and had to sell my land and downgrade to the basic one time fee account. My not paying a monthly fee does not make me any better or worse than someone who does pay a monthly fee. I do my share in world to make, or try to make it a better place. I have found my niche in creating furniture...low cost and low prim which is a plus all around. I also own two texture shops where I sell copy/mod/transfer textures for only L$10 each...which is cheap compared to other shops! And last but not least I frequently check the 'Products Wanted' area of these forums for things that I can give people...and for FREE too! I do not ask of anything from the people I have dropped folders of what they were looking for into their inventory...just a 'thank you' is all the payment I need! I do understand where you are coming from with your comment, but there are a few of us "basic accounter's" that are a plus to SL...and we may not deserve a reward, but we do deserve the same respect as a paying customer of SL! No offense taken on my part, and hopefully not on yours...Have a great day!
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Buck Brentano
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Controlling Other's Actions
08-02-2006 10:59
If other people wish to offer incentives to draw a crowd such as raffles, object give-aways and money balls, why should we interfear? Maybe we should concentrate on our own efforts for our own functions instead of limiting what other people do in their own "house".
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Lo Jacobs
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08-02-2006 11:05
HOLY NECROPOSTING, BATMAN!
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Doubledown Tandino
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08-02-2006 12:55
I havn't read any of the posts but the first.....
I 100% disagree fully with this proposal. I, personally, rarely ever have an event where it involves contests, or giving money away. My events are completely for the music and the companionship with the people there.
However, there's abolutely no reason whatsoever to "tax" people that throw parties and give away money. whatever the motives may be: to gain traffic, to gain the people for the party, to have a reward for a contest, to give back as appreciation to the attendence, etc... There's no reason any of these should be taxed.
Although there are very few creative events, they are there. And there is usually always something outside the norm or different thats happening.
What's upsetting is that LL has askewed SL in such a way that a method that gets people to a club is money. What's also upsetting is that a majority of people that dislike clubs (because they think they are all the same) don't even go. They think since they've been to one or two clubs, that all of them are the same. Completely not true.... Furthermore, this attitude of disrespect of all clubs comes more from old users.
What people need to do is start exploring the entertainment venues, and consider each one different. I, personally, go to almost all the clubs to check them out, and if i don't like I just TP out of there. I also frequent a big handful of clubs, and I enjoy each one that I regularily party at because they are the unique ones. The live music events, and DJs using turntables or playlisting with an intelligent sense of music I would especially recommend. Check em out even if you think it's gonna be the same old thing... because sometimes, they're not.
And the thought of taxing an event that gives out money is rediculous. If my host wants to have a trivia contest (or whatever) and give away some bucks while I DJ, that's completely fine by me. There's no logic for paying a tax on that. There's no way to control it either.
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Iris Ophelia
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08-02-2006 12:56
a) Is this thread even relevant anymore
b) I know the grid is down and that's boring and stuff but... I dunno.... Go for a walk. o_o
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Swizzle Stiglitz
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08-02-2006 12:59
Good idea Iris...if only I could take my airconditioner with me.
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Doubledown Tandino
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08-02-2006 13:10
From: Iris Ophelia a) Is this thread even relevant anymore
b) I know the grid is down and that's boring and stuff but... I dunno.... Go for a walk. o_o I would like to pay people to go for a walk. I'm not taxed for that am I?
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Travis Lambert
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08-02-2006 13:54
To be fair, when Lo initially posted this back in 2005, the club/event/dwellnor/moneyball landscape was quite different than it is today.
The biggest difference: There are no Dwell Payments/Developer Incentive anymore.
There are traffic *numbers*. But that's about it.
This thread was discussing the gaming of a system that no longer exists.
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Jonas Pierterson
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08-02-2006 14:12
From: Lo Jacobs Ok, first of all, let me clarify that I am *not* attacking those who do run events (and run successful ones). I am not trying to keep people from attending them either! I just want to encourage events other than tringo and club ones (and I do appreciate the fact that so many people find them interesting). However: I think it's important to remove the advantage that these people have -- bribing people to attend their event. And while I'm sure you can have fun at these, you can have fun at other events to. The more the merrier! How is having a sploder and 'best vampire av' contest prize bribing? Is it any less a 'bribe' if its an object rather than lindens? A prize is a prize is a prize. People offer lindens as contest prizes to draw in partygoers, big deal. Don't like the event, DONT GO.
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Vivianne Draper
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08-02-2006 15:11
you realize this thread isn't relevant anymore right? i mean like htere's no dwell and di and the like anymore.
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Allana Dion
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08-02-2006 21:28
From: Lo Jacobs 2. Teachers of educational events for newbies will be paid a nice sum (maybe like $L500) to host them, by LL. These events should be held on Linden land to discourage the gaming of dwell payments.
5. Contests are a gray area. In many respects they encourage creativity (like the City Girls' fashion design contest, and the Chinatown/Seberu--sp? photograph contest). However, sexy avatar contests, while they can be fun and should not go away, are not necessarily creative. So maybe in terms of *those* contests you could win something ... but not money.
6. Independent hangout/discussion events are classified as "social" and should not pay people to attend them. In fact, there should be more of them but no one goes to them because they don't get paid.
2. When I teach a class I like having it on my own (well my partner's anyway) land because I have some control there. If someone causes trouble I can boot his butt out. Though admittedly I haven't needed to do that yet, it is sort of a control issue for me. I understand your point and I guess I wouldn't gripe too much but I might gripe a little. 5. Hmmm I've run the range of contests I guess. The majority of the contests we have (Forum Club) people are required to answer questions or participate in something physical. But we do occasionally just give out some cash to someone in the best costume or best in theme or something. It varies as to what they win but most of the time it is cash, its just easier. But I think if we gave away an actual prize object I doubt it would make less people show up, it's doable. The only problems I see with it is finding prizes that can be useful to people and ensuring that they don't get boring, the same things over and over. 6. Independent hangout/discussion events are actually the majority of what we do at Forum. If you saw our calender you would see at least one discussion group almost every day and three or four on weekends (on a busy weekend). The contests we have are closer to two or three a week (on a busy week). And it's kind of funny, we actually have on average twice as many participants in the discussions than in the contests. I suppose it depends on what the focus of your place is and what the majority of your members want.
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Allana Dion
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08-02-2006 21:30
Ack!! I just noticed this thread was brought back from a deep watery grave... nevermind forget anything I said, going away now. 
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