Stop Paying People to Attend Your Event

The major purpose of a metaverse is to mimic the real world.

One of the biggest implementations of almost any metaverse is to creat a realistic economy.

And since this game is made in the US, well, the economy is capitalist = free market = not communist.

Get over it. It's not going to change. Sorry it's not working out for you.

Ewww.. communism

New players get an email with suggestions for what to do with their time in-world. Included is the following suggestion:

* Make some extra L$ by attending contests and events, or throw a party
yourself!

This is problematic because it continues the belief that new players without scripting or building abilities or inclinations should make their money from events! Where is this money supposed to come from?!?

I am getting people showing up at my events and classes who are angry or disappointed when they get a built item as a prize or who expect to be rated as I am teaching. Granted, most participants get it, but many new players still struggle with the concept that events have to be self-sustaining now which means money FROM them not FOR them. This kind of mentality has to be redirected, and LL should be our partner in this.

Please, Linden Labs, help events hosts by helping people to view them as the providers of a service for which those who are entertained should pay Rather than welfare providers for the masses.

Well, maybe if the pricing in world would change to reflect the proper pricing on GOM. If I recall, someone said that L$ used to be worth less, if this is true, which im sure it is, then a lot of the items in game should be cheaper now.

No one lowers or raises their prices to reflect this.

GOM barely fluctuates, and it does it very fast. I can't imagine trying to keep up with the micro-price changes that would be nessesary. I just keep my prices as if GOM were at a steady 4USD to 1,000L$. If there's a change that stays and appears ready to stay for the long term, and people's buying habits change in reaction to it, then I'll change my prices.

This proposal is brutal towards newbies. I joined just about two weeks ago and let me tell you this is not the easiest game culture to get into.

Most of us can't walk in here and start using those build tools or "hosting events" when we are still trying to figure out why we are crashing all the time or why random music starts playing every five seconds or how we flew into a giant glass box that hadn't rezzed five seconds earlier.

If it weren't for the tringo games and dance clubs and the friends I met there I would probably still be stuck in the newbie area trying to figure out why fifteen cartoon characters were cursing at each other. And quit a day later.

If anything, you should be thinking of ways to get more money into newbie hands, not less, to keep more of us around. Buying stuff is easy, but it can take a while before you're like, hmm maybe I do want to actually build something or get a job or rent a place instead of just flying around, looking at houses, and getting shot.

Is really kind of simpler then all this.

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Who should PAY for events ---

The Event attendees?

The Event Hosts?

The Content Creators?
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Becuase reguarless of how you set up the system, SOMEONE is paying.

frist off there hasnot been constant classes since 1.2 or consistant ones for that matter if you wanna learn something you have to teach your self here and some people cant do that some just dont have the patience to do it.

mabey event support should be brought back but only based on content such that if there are 50 otehr events crowded gaining dwell every day it dosent need support but if its a origonal event or jusr returning event that provides something diffrent then it should be supported.

i like how the classes used to be organized and there was no problem of finding them now i just dont bother.

yes you should be paid for helping people create better content some people are willing to create content others dont want to make or unable to. there is nothing wrong with the current events but if that all we have to offer people we can do better and probly the maind draw is like the lottery make lots of money on the gom its ineffective much like the casinos were in sl free money hey every one show up for a dollar some times 5 and onec eveny now and then 500

Subsidies force the content creators (the makers of things) pay for Events.

How?

Becuase inflation - means their products are worth less in Exchange.

This assumes that if we subsidized legitimately non-profit events, that we would actually be doing something to hurt the linden. I think that non-profit events are rare enough on the schedule that it would not have much of an impact. To NOT subsidize events in some fashion is to do 3D content makers a much worse service: to gradually see the diminishment of the social scene that drives their sales, not to mention the sales of LL.

The fact of the matter is that it costs more to make an event than the event makes back in dwell at present. It also costs more to make an event than the event is likely to make back in dwell plus door (unless the event targets wealthier, older players and excludes those unable to fork up $50-100 each at the door). The money for these events must come from somewhere other than the venue owner's pockets and event hosts pockets or there will soon enough be nothing at all left on the events calendar other than commercial or quasi commercial events. THERE IS A BETTER WAY!

But that way means that we see how the community as a whole is interreliant. It isn't builders VS club owners, here. We each have a brilliant opportunity to work together toward met needs. The great thing about an LL-delivered subsidy is that all of us equally invest in that opportunity. Another model might be an arts council or foundation model, but in that model those business persons and concerned citizens who donate must be able to get some benefit for doing so. It is my hope that the Events Work Group that LL already has in place will work on figuring out how LL, Events Hosts and SL Business people can work together to keep a vibrant social community alive. This would be in every person's best interest, including 3D content makers.

I think as things stand right now - The Event Holders are bearing the brunt of the costs of the Events. Its true the dwell isnt much money.

Thus are losing money in General. This is becuase the Event goers arent paying their fair share.

The dwell subsidy does ultimately cost the content creators through inflation, any money that is simply "printed" into the economy will. I assume the Lindens do have a model of sorts where they decide if inflation is negligble measurement wise or is at least reasonable.

Non profit events are a diferent subject - since paying people to attend an actual non profit event seems confusing in and of itself.

The ultimate goal would be a combination of Vendor Rentals / Advertizing and Spending by Event goers to make clubs profitable without dwell. This is the most sustainable business plan I can think of for clubs and Second Life Long term.

In the short term - we need at least the best of them profitable with Dwell.

There will always be clubs as long as freedom is what it is in Secondlife. People want to Socialize and Clubs are highly social.

I think thats really the point of this thread - people would pay to go to clubs if that was their only choice.

But I still think it would be wrong to not let club owners pay out their own money to get peopel to go - its their money they shoudl be allowed to do what they want with it.

first i would like to say that i found this thread in a search on ways to make money in SL.

im still in my trial (three days into it) i dont have any intrest in going to tringo events. if i wanted to gamble on the computer there are other ways. and when i look for an event i sift through all the tringos and clubs and get very disapointed. (personalty i think that all the slots etc should be in the same area, and itll be like casino-nation. but zoneing will never happen.) i checked out an event once and got paid, i felt very bad about it, i got a little freaked out and left. if i knew how to return the money then i wouldve.

it makes sence to pay for an event, rather then be paid for attending. but then again if i had to choose between a free or a paid class id go for the free.

ideas for getting money into the hand of noobs (so that can suport the ecconomy):

delevering- npcs looking for you to bring somthing to billy bob three towns over. a little boring, but everybodies done odd jobs like this when they were younger.

clearing- the above idea made me think of shoveling snow, so clearing an area of rummble isnt too far off. (i havnt found a use for my levitate yet)

building- building simple shapes/objects. more sofistedcated ones too. this would double as a way to make money, and a totural. (i cannot figure it out, and i would reslly like to get into it)you can use a npc, or maybe people can be hired to do simple teaching, then they can give better help, and can distribute money depending on what kind of a job you did.

i guess theres a problem that there isnt really a need for anything in the game other then creators. and everybody cant be creators, because they wouldnt be any consumers. (why would you buy clothes if you can make your own) but there isnt any way for consumers to earn money to give back to the creators.

SL is obviously an economy driven game and was intended to be, if it wasn't then we wouldn't have money. I see no problem with giving people money for attending events. It's much the same as going to a party where there is free food, a live dj, and raffles. The parties are usually sponsored in some way. If I own a club then im allowed to put up advertising. The advertisers pay me to bring people in to see their ads. So in return i pay a small portion to the people that are viewing the ads and making me money. So don't feel bad about taking the money, i just made $20 off that $5 i gave you.

Well, I had previously suggested a Sales tax to fund events. In the polls, it was soundly defeated.

problem with events it its currently controled for the propose of making money most shops andplaces that never rally get attentiong anyway get turned in to clubs to get attendance . but its not thier fault. the structure of sl is such that hosuse and sotre will be dumped in the same area sort of like in the fith element where the boundries of shops distric and houses are nonexistant in some places. in realife commeral and residentioan areas are zoned to pervent such a mess mixed with roads to travel on but dricing is difficult for manny most shops dont rez for them untill they pass and so people dont know what they miss.


events as a whole it would be nice to sell tickets to a event just becuase some sims increase in lagg with a certain amouynt of avaters and just so you make legit money or you want people to shop with out your event driving them away.

we can do that currently because people are paid to attend with money balls they are ok they are subtitutes for money machines in real life

As an owner of a gaming facility that currently does app. 10k traffic a day, I can assure you the dwell bonus does little to the economy (or my raffler fund =/).

Now, the only ppl who could possibly be upset about us owners giving away thousands of L$ a day are those that are losing business. Sorry, this is free market economy. Don't try to tell me if a 2L of Pepsi was on sale at market A for $.99, but market B had the for $1.09 buy 2 get 1 free, you wouldn't be more inclined to take the free one. I could go on and on with RL examples of this marketing technique. It WOULD be nice to see more prizes given away though. Something that relates a little more to the venue sometimes. A casino's product is money, that's what you get there so that's what is given away. However most ppl dont' go to a club Friday night (RL) to get money, they go for free drinks, or free entrance or free cds or something.

As for traffic...when I give away L$3k a day it is more for getting ppl through the door and letting my product keep them there than getting an hour's worth of it back in dwell bonus. Anyone that has this, I'm gonna get rich off dwell bonus approach is sadly sadly mistaken and fail every time.

I skipped most of this thread, but I just want to say something.

Why should people who don't pay monthly fees and don't actually contribute anything to the community by building or designing or scripting or whatever or to the economy by GOMing money into SL be rewarded for ANYTHING?

If they get pissed off about not getting something for nothing and leave SL because of it, then good. We're better off without them anyway.

Oh, and for the record, I'm a Lifer.

Aah, my post must have seemed kind of asshole-ish coming right after yours. I didn't even read yours before posting, I just read the first three pages of people having bitch fits. So, sorry if it came off that way.

Anyway. I'm not a club-goer. And I really have no inate need to socialize in a group setting. And I really don't like dancing, in RL or otherwise. But I can certainly see the merit of clubs and whatnot, because a lot of people find enjoyment in stuff like that. And that's absolutely fine-- we're all different. I just don't think that moneyballs should be the only source of income for people..

I just think that if you want money, you should have to DO something for it. :\ Something that's beneficial to the community. Or at least the grid. Standing around in a big black box with 70 trillion attachments, dancing, waiting for a big scripted ball to go off is not at all beneficial to the grid. Or anything. :\

There are so many hack-and-slash games where you can get m4D L007Z for mindlessly killing stuff. I really really don't want SL to be "that game where you can just stand around and get money for doing nothing LOL!" Or maybe it's a lag endurance game. Last person still logged in and dancing wins the prize.

Whatever. Augh. Clubs are fine if you really like them for their atmosphere or so you can dance with your friends. But augh. They should not be there just so you can win money.

See, it's the people who really do pay people to attend their crap event that I had a problem with.

I don't even care anymore. Do what you want to do. And sometimes you do it wonderfully (whoever you are). Madame, your events are wonderful. And fun. And I'm sure other people have great events too. The Shelter, for instance, does give people money (usually around $10 a pop). I think The Shelter is a great place.

So ... have at it.

I'm sorry, it appears that you may have misunderstood the tenor of my comment, it was an expression of a sincerely provoked thought.

I took your preamble of not having read all the threads as meaning you might not have read mine.

Just the same, yours made me think, so I shared, didn't take it as an attack, not in the least.

I'm here in SL and in the forums to play, amuse myself, and the exchange of ideas, thoughts, etc. to me is great fun and highly amusing, so long as one isnt' being hurtful.

I took your commentary as an honest opinion statement, and responded as such.

That being said, I love that SL has all types of opportunties for different folks to amuse themselves different ways, it's an open-ended experience.

One of the most engaging and challenging experiences I've had in SL was the hours I spent working my way through the Numbakulla puzzle dealie w/Roberta. We had a BLAST! I'm normally not one for that kinda puzzle, I don't do to well with them, but together, we were able to figure out stuff, luck into things, stumble on stuff and really enjoy the magnificent build, textures, story and clever design of the puzzle.

This time didn't involve winning money, didn't necessarily cost money (although I did donate, how could one not, seeing that magnificence?) and took us maybe 40 hours each (? I'm not sure, but well over 20) to complete!

As well all know, the dwell there isn't covering the sim's expense, certainly not the months it took to set up, and yet that's a fine example of quality entertainment. Did everyone that screams for quality events head over there? Or to the Space Station or Krittania's Heaven & Hell when they were up?

And btw, if someone is heading the There for a free time, they're SORELY mistaken, after a while the freebie vehicles are not available to you, and they killed event support over a year ago!

Oh, and Lo, thanks! My concern is about instituting a rule with regards to event do's and don'ts. It would appear that most of us here are all about the pursuit of interesting events, non-vacuous activities, etc. So we're preaching to the choir, are we?

Was just making sure. I tend to assume from experience that everyone on these forums are being sarcastic. And I just wanted to make sure you knew I don't harbor any bad feelings towards you whatsoever.

i admit i'm too lazy to read through all these pages. i got through the first 2, so apologies if this was already said.

lo jacobs brings up a good point, but i see some major flaws. i agree that there are way too many club/tringo events, in comparison to more general events. but i don't think the answer is getting rid of them. as a newb, i can tell you that i had to pretty much depend on events to get any money the first few weeks. and i'm sure that's the case for most newbs. so getting rid of those would hurt the event holders, as well as the newbs.

i think the answer lies in making it easier to host general & educational events. i know myself, and a large number of others i've met, are constantly searching for non tringo/club events. so the clientelle is out there. it's just a matter of figuring out the best way to attract them.

all of this leads me to another question. for those general events, why does it matter if a lot of people don't show up? are the hosts making a profit based on the number of attendees?