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Persephone Milk
Very Persenickety!
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11-10-2005 18:57
I can understand it being difficult, maybe even impossible, to prevent these kinds of attacks given the nature of Second Life ... but what approaches inexcusable to me is a 5-hour down time to apply the patch and restart the grid. If Linden Lab is finding it difficult to counter these attacks, perhaps it should put some engineering time into a disaster recovery plan that would allow them to bring the grid up much faster.
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Zack Massiel
I am slowly gooING crazy.
Join date: 27 Oct 2005
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11-10-2005 19:00
I can understand it being difficult, maybe even impossible, to prevent these kinds of attacks given the nature of Second Life ... but what approaches inexcusable to me is a 5-hour down time to apply the patch and restart the grid. If Linden Lab is finding it difficult to counter these attacks, perhaps it should put some engineering time into a disaster recovery plan that would allow them to bring the grid up much faster. 5 hours isn't bad if you consider how many servers they have plus the patch upload time plus the patch execution time, plus reboot plus restarting all sims plus testing the exploit to make sure it's fixed plus restarting asset server plus removing all infected items plus opening login hehe. |
Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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11-10-2005 19:00
I can understand it being difficult, maybe even impossible, to prevent these kinds of attacks given the nature of Second Life ... but what approaches inexcusable to me is a 5-hour down time to apply the patch and restart the grid. If Linden Lab is finding it difficult to counter these attacks, perhaps it should put some engineering time into a disaster recovery plan that would allow them to bring the grid up much faster. They try their best. But if LL does step up and say HEY we are going to have better FAIL SAFE systems is is going to happen again and again. _____________________
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Vix Severine
In Need Of Therapy
Join date: 6 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
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11-10-2005 19:00
Here's just a random thought being throw out .. there should be some sort of preference that each individual can check ..with the variation of "accept items from ppl not on friends list?" ... this may solve at least one issue
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stpaulsub Clio
Fear the Bubblegum Gurl!
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11-10-2005 19:01
5 hours isn't bad if you consider how many servers they have plus the patch upload time plus the patch execution time, plus reboot plus restarting all sims plus testing the exploit to make sure it's fixed plus restarting asset server plus removing all infected items plus opening login hehe. Plus answering 50 posts asking "why can't i log in?" sighs..all's i wanna do is log in to see my friends and skip around like a dork... _____________________
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crucial Armitage
Clothing Designer
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11-10-2005 19:02
I can understand it being difficult, maybe even impossible, to prevent these kinds of attacks given the nature of Second Life ... but what approaches inexcusable to me is a 5-hour down time to apply the patch and restart the grid. If Linden Lab is finding it difficult to counter these attacks, perhaps it should put some engineering time into a disaster recovery plan that would allow them to bring the grid up much faster. i don't know but 5 hours does not seem like a long time to wright a patch and get it out to all 1200 servers and up date the client. that is a lot of hardware to update. how long does it take you to up date your computer on windows update ? multiply that by 1200 _____________________
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
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11-10-2005 19:02
Do people not realize what they are doing is illegal? People spend ALOT of money on SL. That's kind of the point of the "it's a game" post. The message being that if you are angry about this incident it is your own fault for not thinking of SL like a game. You see, if you fail to be amused, then it is because you are lacking in good humor. That's just how needy boys absolve themselves of being responsible for actions. This is where they come in to say "sorry, but it's only a few hours, you need to get a life". _____________________
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Sable Sunset
Prim Herder
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11-10-2005 19:02
Here's just a random thought being throw out .. there should be some sort of preference that each individual can check ..with the variation of "accept items from ppl not on friends list?" ... this may solve at least one issue Hey Vix ![]() Glad I refreshed the page - I was just about to post something similar! lol |
Vix Severine
In Need Of Therapy
Join date: 6 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
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11-10-2005 19:05
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Val Fardel
Registered User
Join date: 11 Oct 2005
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11-10-2005 19:05
They try their best. But if LL does stop up and say HEY we are going to have better FAIL SAFE systems is is going to happen again and again. I'm sorry but it simply isn't possible to stop this kind of activity using game mechanisms unless you start removing functionality. It really is NO different than RL. You can't stop someone from spray-painting the front of your house or storefront. NOTHING you do can prevent that from happening. So why does it happen relatively infrequently? Because when it does the nitwits are thrown in jail were they are ravaged by bigger nitwits. Usually it discourages all but the stupidest...or the biggest...of the nitwits. Seriously though, the legal system has been very slow to respond to computer crimes in general...especially crimes involving hacking and griefing in virtual spaces. When the consequences become very real and the punishments painful enough all the little criminal-wannabes will tuck their tails and slink away. |
Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
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11-10-2005 19:06
Well from my point of view, I don't believe it has to do with when you started using SL. It has more to do with how internet savvy you are. Receiving files from unknown people is something you have to be aware of in every day internet usage... Most who are internet savvy would automatically (as I did), be wary of receiving anything in this way regardless of whether they started using SL yesterday or 2 years ago. Yes it comes down to educating people on the mechanics of certain things. I simply don't believe the date you moved in indicates your level of knowledge. Anyway, just my 2 cents worth.... That's actually a very good point too! ![]() _____________________
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Kurshie Muromachi
Primtastic!
Join date: 24 Apr 2005
Posts: 278
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11-10-2005 19:07
I can see this will become a frequent issue. Just like those morons who sit around making viruses (and you are probably aware many of these are teenagers) what a kick they must get out of it. I am pretty much uneducated, programming-wise. I'm wondering, what kind of things can be done to decrease the problem? Or do we just have maybe a leeeeeeeeeeetle too much creative freedom in there? (ducks in case of any thrown objects) Attacks like these are hopefully benefiting us from future attacks such as these on a much lower scale. The thing is Linden Labs doesn't consider attacks like these, otherwise they would have spammed the preview grid on a mass scale to "stress test" the systems. These kinds of exploits/abuse/holes or whatever ya want to call them are the common attacks attempted by these individuals. This is just as ordinary as E-Mail/IM spam. A monkey could probably take down SL. Wait...maybe it was a monkey. ![]() |
Charlton Cline
Sea Mist Association
Join date: 21 Jun 2005
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11-10-2005 19:08
Here's just a random thought being throw out .. there should be some sort of preference that each individual can check ..with the variation of "accept items from ppl not on friends list?" ... this may solve at least one issue It's a good thought, but would cause some headaches, such as gift giving from offline sites such as SL Exchange and Boutique. Personally, I think LL glossed over the true griefer mentality out there by offering SL basic accounts for free. Sure, there are a lot of decent new subscribers who signed up since SL offered free accounts, but it does leave the door wide open to those who don't have anything to lose, and nothing spent, to come in and cause as much grief as possible, and if they get booted or banned couldn't care less... |
Vix Severine
In Need Of Therapy
Join date: 6 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
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11-10-2005 19:09
*Note* I said to each individual .. there are ppl who do not use SLE or like recieveing anything at all .. so it's up to that user
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Persephone Milk
Very Persenickety!
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11-10-2005 19:09
Oh I do understand the challenges of patching and restarting the grid (I work in the field, and for a company with many times more servers) but there are means to take that 5 hours down to 4, and then down to 3 ... and what I am suggesting is that they put some of their resources into engineering a better recovery plan because I do not believe that they will ever be successful stopping all of the attacks.
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
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11-10-2005 19:09
I'll give you L$10,000 and a banner saying "SO AND SO SUX0RZ!" and you get to keep it if you get to 100 general posts without being edited ![]() I'll try it for 5k! ![]() |
Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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11-10-2005 19:12
I am now taking bids for anyone wanting to get me to shut up for one month. (Classifieds don't count.)
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Sansarya Caligari
BLEH!
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11-10-2005 19:15
I am now taking bids for anyone wanting to get me to shut up for one month. (Classifieds don't count.) coco lmao coco ![]() ![]() |
Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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11-10-2005 19:20
Strawbearry can't post either. She has to do what I tell her, or I'll pull the PLUG on her!
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
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11-10-2005 19:23
Strawbearry can't post either. She has to do what I tell her, or I'll pull the PLUG on her! coco Charge an extra 5k for the alt to shut up, too. Where is your business sense? _____________________
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Green Fate
Social Conundrum
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
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Please go (edit )[some gory expletives removed]...
11-10-2005 19:30
actually, the number is 616.
-- And I would just like to say to the person/s responsible for tonight's outage - THANKS ASSHOLE! You are so witty and smart, really! Bravo! Way to go! Please go (edit)[some gory expletives removed]... now. And, Yes! I hope Linden Lab follows through with law enforcement and charges are filed. When I log in to my account I am at work. People like myself, we lease what is essentially office space from Linden Lab, we work in our leased space to make money, it is a business expense, we claim it on our taxes, etc. So here we have - mid project on a most productive evening - some vandal who essentially kills power to our workspace. Out here in the atomic world deliberate actions like these would have those responsible arrested and in the poke. And any of you who still think this is a "game" - take a look at the weekly currency numbers and currency trader tier amounts. Its not a game, it is an interface where some of us work to make money and the things the rest of you value to enhance your online experience. _____________________
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
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11-10-2005 19:31
Green... one more for 69!
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Green Fate
Social Conundrum
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 79
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11-10-2005 19:32
Green... one more for 69! its all you baby _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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11-10-2005 19:33
Charge an extra 5k for the alt to shut up, too. Where is your business sense? Oh yeah . . . coco _____________________
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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11-10-2005 19:34
BTW. Where is The second Life`s Loud Mouth at this time? Its his spamming time of the forums by now LOL.......... thinks.............OMG is he a linden lol!!!!!!!!!!!
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