why are guns so hated?

I feel the need to insult this person....but I will refrain based on the fact that Canada is part of the North American continent, therefore you are North AMERICAN also. Dont clump all American's in one large group of gun toteing mass murderer's!

Let me ask this when was the last time somebody entered a club with holstered guns and then drew them and started shooting? For me it was never most of the time they show up with them allready drawn or they pull them from inventory and it normally is a very large gun at that.



Jack I agree the multigadget is a wery useful tool but it does need a few refinments. Seems Timeless is taking head of some of the issues of the use of the multigadget being required to remove it and created something that people can place on their property that disables most of the functions.

The OP has a bit of sympathy from me because I have in hte past been somewhere and had a friend send me a TP, without a name inthe join in place, and I showed up with my guns holstered but the invisable part in my hands, I was trying to let everything rezz before I started moving and removing stuff. Then out of nowhere I get a IM from the hostess and from security yelling at me to remove the guns now or I will be banned, then just as I am clicking on my avie to remove I get the lil blue window saying so and so has frozen you for thirty seconds! With a raise of hands how many of you know you are unable to do anything while frozen but talk in IM's? Well needless to say the hostess and the security got a earfull from me and the minute I was unfrozen I tried to tp out because I didnt want to be somewhere that the people running the place had no Idea how to handle that situation. But yet again I was frozen and my teleport out denied!

After I finally get it across that I would like to leave and they unfreeze me I am attempting to TP home I get automatically tped home with a messages from the security system telling me I was banned. Now that just pissed me off. So I completely remove all my prim objects and go back looking like a total noob and ask why they felt the need to send me home when I was in the process of doing the exact same thing. I got you wouldnt remove your weapons and I am not in the mood to deal with that kinda shit today! I tell the owner I am sorry for making her day worse than it allready was but I was attempting to remove the guns when her incompetent security chic froze me, then when I was trying to tp out her security chic froze me again resulting in my tp being denied! We bickered for a few minutes and I tped out.

While I dont wear guns hardly anymore unless I am somewhere that allows them, I do see people wearing them and most of the time they are just using it as a acessory.

Talk about bullet points!

*ducks*

Speaking of bullet points. A part-time colleague of mine when I was teaching (college) was a cop. When he has a bust that would take place after his night class he'd be all decked out when he arrived on campus and will actually be lecturing wearing his badge and bulletproof vest with a couple of holstered guns hanging off his shoulders. He's a very nice guy and his students invariably found it really cool, certainly something very different. After class, he zooms off to his assignment.

I don't know how he got dispensation for that but it seemed that no one minded.

You're kidding, right? Quite possibly, the most asinine thing I've ever heard in my life.

As an American, I can say that it's quite true.

So, you're saying that only American's kill people. I'm an American, I've never owned a gun, don't carry a knife, and haven't killed anyone. Guess I should just pack up and move to a country where I'll fit in.

*rolls eyes*

This will not end well.

I see your schwartz is as big as mine.. now lets see if you can handle it.

Valid points. However, that goes back to the fact that the OP holstered the guns. The griefer, wanting to look "badass," would not respond like this but would, instead, open fire (probably) or at least argue for a little bit ... and then open fire.

Common sense therefore dictated that the situation was satisfactorily resolved the moment the OP holstered the guns, and given the reaction that then followed, I would like to ensure that I never personally patronize this club, unless their behavior has been grossly mischaracterized somehow.

Yes, because there are no complex issues; everything can be simplified down to a single simple sentence that sums it all up.

The sad thing is that, if you think like that, you'd very easily be one of the mindless tools tuning in to Fox if you were born here ...

Correct on point [1].

Regarding [2] there are some other factors (lag for instance) that might color the situation which could have been prevented by:
1. OP should have excused himself and take it off outside so he's not rushed, and not just holster but take off the whole thing.
2. Club Owner should have been more patient also.

As parcel owner you can install a device that will disable the multi gadget's when they are on your parcel..

This is a perfect illustration of why I am so angrily against this moronically paranoid "zomg theyve gots a guns on banbabnanbn!!!!!!11!11!" attitude. Especially in the case of club security (and I actually handled a little club security myself back in my early SL days when I was a dancer ), common sense and restraint really needs to be exercised. There's a marked and obvious difference between someone with a holstered pistol who is clearly not trying to make a show of force and someone who is waving around a "readied" weapon that he won't put away and clearly IS trying to say, "I'm here to attack."

I think the crux of the matter here is people need to really learn to be courteous on a case by case basis when requesting removal of any objects in question.

I understand people get jaded, but if you are in charge of something be it a sim or a 512 plot you really should be respectful if you expect the public to go to it. People get it in thier head that they are the only place in town I think. The example about being frozen twice while trying to honor the request to remove weapons is a prime example. So what if you are having a bad day... your day will be worse when you have nobody coming to your empty nightclub because you were rude to one too many patrons.

I had a recent experience that I wont go into but it involved the attitude of someone in charge of an event. It was not that they asked my compliance on something it was the high and mighty and cruddy attitude of them that lost my support to the project they put on. This means hanging up posters for shows, telling people about them and going to see them and support the effort they put on. How you deal with people will decide if you have people to deal with tomorrow in your place. SL is big and there are lots of people, but it dont take long for the ones that frequent your place to find somewhere else to go and maybe take a few with them.

Very correct, Macphisto.

In addition to that, guests should also take initiative. Since it's common sense (at least to me it is) that guns (or weapons in general) are frowned upon in very social settings, it's a very simple precautionary act of courtesy to detach all weaponry and take the time to check the dress code.

Samurai leave their weapons outside a geisha house.

Hah, yeah ok citys in the north have a lot more guncrime than the South because they have much more strict guncontrol laws. Look at California, Chicago, Detroit, all those areas have very strict gun control yet very high guncrime. Look at the southern states, you have very lean laws and no gun crime, maybe because everyone has the opportunity to defend themselves?

There is no question in my mind that allowing weapons in clubs is bad for business. That is why they made rules against it. Hardly anyone in the forums is going to care about the "banee" ranting about his not being allowed to carry guns in the club.

Strange coincidence...everytime I have been shot, against my will, it was by someone wearing a gun.

Michigan has CCW laws

So I dont see your point.
Atlanta,
Fort Worth/Dallas
- New Orleans -
Miami -
have gun crime.

LOL

If you are so irresponsible that you could forget you were wielding "real powerful dual ;pistols" when you teleport from a combat sim into a club, then you got better treatment then you deserved.

The club has the right to refuse service for any reason at all ..

They could ban pink haired people , wouldnt make any difference.

Its their land, their rules.

Let's just summarize this...
Some places guns are acceptable, at others they are not.
Some people have a problem with all weapons because many griefers choose to use them as a way of annoying people and disrupting business.
Therefore, when in doubt, put them away.

"I feel the need to insult this person....but I will refrain based on the fact that Canada is part of the North American continent, therefore you are North AMERICAN also. Dont clump all American's in one large group of gun toteing mass murderer's!"

When I spoke of "Americans", I referred to people from the United States of America. This is a perfectly valid use of the word:

A·mer·i·can adj.

1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
3. Of or relating to any of the Native American peoples.
4. Indigenous to North or South America. Used of plants and animals.

Also, please note:

What the hell made you assume I'm Canadian just because I referred to Canada's murder rate? I'm British, numbnuts.

So my comparison doesn't come as "yah boo, us Canadians are less violent than you Americans". It comes as a comparison between two similar nations, with similar rates of gun ownership, but vastly different murder rates. So I ask...why is this?

And instead of asking the same question, you get defensive and ignore the problem. Foolish, no?

Musuko.

same here,and i never have used my guns in sl on other people,just like in rl,if a problem arises,thats different,but i just use them for target practice.and yes i wear them in alot of clubs and the people all know im a nice person and there isnt going to be any trouble.BUT,the reason i responded mainly is the same exact thing happened to me,i put them away nad they botted me and banned me,so just like in rl,in sl there are stupid people

Irresponsible no wrong answer. As for the statement about being shot it was by somebody with a gun...this maybe true but personally I can send you across the sim without shooting a gun. My point is people we are all adults for the most part act like adults. I get upset when i am tossed across a sim but there again I pay attention to where I am and just tp back. If the people getting all pissed about this would just laugh at the person and maybe drop a fart bomb on the griefer they will walk away.


BTW if you guys want the ultimate revenge IM me in game I have just the item..no its not push or orbit but it will hit them deep in their pride!!!!