why are guns so hated?

Then the owner should have clarified at the point when the OP holstered them. But since the best weapons are invisible anyway, the owner should have accepted the holstering as a sufficient show of peaceful intent. Because when it really comes right down to it, I can walk into a club and blow the entire crowd out of it without ever brandishing anything, or I can walk in there with a massive "weapon" that does nothing at all.

Given those facts, the simple fact that the OP had stopped waving the guns around should have been plenty, and I will not, personally, excuse the club. I'd like to know whom they are so that I can make a point of avoiding them and warn friends away. I dislike unfriendly, overly paranoid places run by people who lack even a basic understanding of how SL actually works.

Addressing only the point about weapon looks.

I definitely agree that in SL form and function have no connection to each other. A toaster can be a vehicle, a gun can be a sex poseball, a car can be a hat.

However there is a compounded pair of statistical factors in play with respect to guns.

Factor 1: Most weaponmakers make functional weapons look like weapons and griefers also want their weapons to look like weapons because they want to look badass. A girl avatar in sailor moon outfit with a C4 teddy bear while more effective because it's deceptive is not what griefers want.

Factor 2: There have been too many gun-toters that actually used them.

Thus the general trend towards not allowing guns in clubs.

And if you went into an RL club, they would probably ask you to remove them, permit or no permit. If you declined to remove the guns, they would likely choose not to admit you.

Oh wow thi one is a hard questen

This thread makes me very amused. If this happened to Bane once already, why would he pull the same shit in my club and then whine because he got banned -- again? I sense a pattern here.

Believe it or not, MOST of Second Life's residents don't want to play guns. And when the sign on the door says "no weapons", it's best to believe it.

"all I did was forgot to put my guns away then I did so and he got pissed because they were still kind of revealed!"

Yeah! Once I was driving at 100mph when a policeman hailed me to pull over. I slowed down to 30mph, but he got pissed because I was still kind of not pulled over!

What a jerk!

Musuko.

PS: on the subject of guns in general, when you compare America's high gun-ownership rate and high gun-murder rate to the high gun-ownership rate and low gun-murder rate of other countries such as Canada, we can conclude only one thing: the guns aren't the problem...the problem is that the people carrying them are Americans.

Why would you feel the need to bring a gun into a RL club, permit or not?

Guns are so hated because 90% of the time there is a kid behind it.

What a refreshingly sensible attitude as opposed to the OP's


For the OP:
No one "dies" but the mood is certainly killed. So, it's not that guns are really hated, the issue is that people who disrupt the flow of a good party with their "pay attention to me" antics aren't very desirable.

ya, does anyone know what some good guns and the best armor is in welltech? and I need some good guns, i'm browsing novum and those desert eagles and the lawgivers look pretty good

You do?

ya some good ones, like a machine gun, I don't have one and I need one for the combat sim

i've already got dual weild desert eagles, just bought em' so pistols are out of the question

and I rifle, I need a rifel with laser pointer

First of all, it's generally not called a "laser pointer" when attached to a gun. Second, the concept doesn't work that well in SL, it's been tried before. It's purely cosmetic.

And in case Barney or the Teletubbies actually show up?

so wait till they shoot up the place or start annoying patrons by orbiting them or whatever, then stop them? nah, stuff that, if people cant leave their guns at home when going to nightlcub or something, no matter if they are "loaded" or not, they have issues.



you never been to to a Rave have ya?

The Multi-gadget is a great device, but it could use some revisions to make it lower lag...and to make the bridges and ramps it rezzes lower prim. They'd be a lot more useful if they didn't suck up all of the prims on a parcel when you used them.

Sorry, if this had been said before - this kind of thread is often a bit longish - but the answer is a relatively simple one: many people hate guns because guns are used to hurt or kill real people in our real physical world. Plain as that.

These people - me included - just don't think it is funny to "play killing people" in Second Life. And while I certainly will not go around insulting arbitrary residents who happen to carry guns, I might ask them to refrain from doing so, when they visit me in my home. Maybe the ower of said club had a similar attitude?

Additionally: in many many countries on this (physical) world the idea of someone - not in an armed service or on a hunt - running around with a gun (holstered or not) seems absurd; and doing so will get you in jail. Maybe this attitude spills over to SL.

From the evidence, and from the choices that people seem to have made, the first.

Really, a lot of the blame for this entire issue can be laid at the feet of LL, for refusing to take the abusive use of push functions seriously for a very long time.

I had a freind ask for this to be fixed at a town meeting in May of '05, only to be totally brushed off.

The thing about SL is, that it attracts a lot of people who are entirely uninterested in games that involve shooting, and who are interested in doing other things. Therefore when they're trying to do those other things, to socialize, to shop, etc., and some twerp with a push-gun comes up and shoots them across the sim they're going to get pissed, and they're going to start associate getting shot with people who carry guns.

However, if LL had actually fixed the abusive uses of push a year ago, I don't think that people in SL would have become so hostile toward guns, to the point that even guns that are part of an outfit draw a hostile response.

Really, the only thing to hope for now, is that the fixes to push will make guns less effective for griefing, which will cut down on the negative associations that people have with them, and will lead to people lightning up their negative attitude toward weapons that are part of a costume.

Second everything Pham said, and seconding someone else's comment that a substantial number of people in SL are here EXACTLY because this isn't some shoot-em-up teenager game. I can understand someone who has weapons as part of their SL "look" but anyone walking around with a gun drawn and not in a combat area automatically registers with me as an a**hole and a griefer.

boys with their toys, Cindy, simple as that. Some seem to believe that waving a gun around is a testament to their manhood, oh, that, and "ZOMGLAZORS!!!!! pew pew"

People will probably pay attention to you during your presentations if your laser pointer looks likes a gun.

And the owner of a club or store can ask you to leave, CCW or not. Private property and all that.

You haven't read some of the off-topic posts by the conservative nutjob element have you? THere are loons in SL that REALLY believe that sort of thing.

Nervous patrons....because there are a LOT more folks that would be made nervous and tell their friends to avoid Club X, than there are rabid gun nuts who would tell their friends. You have to look at it in terms of 'I will lose one audience either way...which is smaller?' and its the neanderthallers that must be armed 24/7 that are smaller in number.

I mean, I have NEVER seen a club lose half its population for banning a gun nut, but I HAVE seen it the other way around for NOT banning...they get a rep as unsafe and folks move on.