Open letter to the owner of slstats.com

Can i have some opt out boxes to give away to my friends please, my land could do with a traffic boost. ill advert them on a billlboard, hell... people might even pay a few bucks each.

No seriously, please drop on one my inventory though, copyable so i can give them away too.

The boxes are no copy/ no mod/ transfer and sold for 0L$ at the SLStats/SLBuzz.com HQ.
You could in theory stock up and pass them out though...

Dearly Darling Jesse,

Finding out after the fact that someone has been following my movements and putting them in a public place Out-world AND placing me in a situation where I would be observed by him In-world even by chance by having to go to his location to opt out in my book is stalking.

You think that's normal?


Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

I don't know as much as some of you other people so please don't bite off my head.

If the avatars going to opt out at the site are there long enough to count as the dwell number...isn't that forcing people against their will?

Even if you have sex here in SL the two or how ever many people it is have to agree because you have to click your mouse.

That's not the same thing as letting a designer know what styles of clothes are selling so they can design more.

Dearly Darling,

There's a really good word that describes what you mean:

coercion

It's not a nice thing to do in any universe.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

You have to be there for at least 5 minutes to get minimum dwell. Why would he benefit from dwell anyways if he is not selling anything?

Funny, because your location and movements are not being put out on the web, and if you were that concerned you could have sent someone else or an alt (they're a dime a dozen these days).
The more this thread progresses, the more I feel like running a screen scraper through SLStats.com and compiling my own database, and cross-refrence it with those that have opted out.

And there really is no bounus for dwell anymore, so not much, except to boost his traffic stats and rise in earch, which with all this free publicity, doesn't matter.

Free publicity for something he provides free anyways.

....is this supported and approved by Linden Lab?

/Tina - I know what being stalked IRL are. I dont wish that will happen to any.. anywhere.

Why is it that when you opt our your key is being sent to slbuzz.com?

Please, can you opensource this. Too much stuff going on with your sites, both of which are hosted on Domainsbyrpoxy, the premier host for people who have stuff to hide.

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Dunno do you

I know how cross checking diff info are done - mix them al.. and then run them in same system and then get a total control.. and more..

BUT in Sweden and EU we can choose to ask to get our names out of systems like this.. and its law then to take them away.. or the owners will be sued.. or jailed. We should of course have the same right in this case..

I want my ava name taken away at once... and no I have nothing to hide and have never had but I dont like to be in this kind of system(s)...

/Tina

PS The funny things are that the boss at www.hitta.se - a search engine in Sweden are not in the system - we know why.. he dont want any to find him or his family or maybe his ava..

Oh, so now it has gone from insults and laughing at people who are against this spyware to accusing them of having something to hide? This is just sick. And you're a resmod? Jesus.

I am sure that LL will in a short time.. in some days only - demand al that uses this clock must have a sign that tell us al that they collect info for others... - about al they meet or in the area they are visiting...

And landlords will of course be able to lock that clock or any alike system out - or allow it.. and then al landlords also must advertise if they allow it or any other alike system at sims or not..

I want control my life in SL and al other places by my own ... not controled by another company.. that can forward it if they want...

/Tina

I love the liveblog option!! Thats absolutly a winner..

About you privacy: Opt-out, dont write here on the forum your personel stuff, we realy dont need to know the personel stories about your privacy and why you hate everything that invades that. If you write here you dont have privacy anymore..

HOWEVER: I do think that Mark should take a look into not showing the names public anymore but only to the user of that watch. That way most of this sh_t could have been prevented.

But its a good warning and warmup for what is comming..

A SL-SEX Watcher. A device that will track all people in certain clubs. Its not an OPT-OUT but a "PAY-to get Out" system. Darn this is scary stuff...

Anyway the liveblog option is very good!

For the record, you do not have to go to Mark's store in-world and boost his traffic count to obtain his opt-out box. Just search for his name in Find, and IM him politely to request that he send you an opt-out box. He will do so fairly promptly.

I may not like what he is doing, but I will play Devil's Advocate long enough to admit that he is trying to politely respond to any individuals who want to opt out, and is giving them the means to do so.

There is nothing polite about this post:
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...where he, like other residents and resmods in this thread, acts like a jackass and belittles those who do not have the same privacy standards as him.

My concern about this whole thing is just increased by the patronising tone in which all of the replies seem to have been made. It gives me the impression that the person involved here simply has no idea of the privacy issues and the potential uses to which a large-scale activity database, even a simple one like this, could be put - either that or he doesn't care.

Granted that there have been some pretty aggressive complaints addressed to him which have not always been entirely sensible, from what I've seen of them, but there *is* a proper, serious, issue here, it's not like key databases. You can't get anything from anyone's key that you couldn't get from their name, they're equivalent in information terms. You can get things from monitoring movements and interactions.

I disabled my watch and will see how it will go in the future..

It seems that some of you have things to hide and therefore are afraid that it will show up at the website.. Good or bad, I think I shouldnt be the one that exposes that kinda thing because I like the lifeblog option. So will disable this gem until it is more matured.

Keep up the good work!

aEo

Just because someone else does it, in no way justifies him doing it.

And as far as store cards....well, lets just say 'Ronald Reagan' shops at my local grocery (Who in their right mind gives the stores accurate info? Its none of their business, so why not feed their DB false info?)

Am mostly concerned with addition of yet another item in SL that hangs on number of AVs and does area scans every 5 seconds to see 'what they come in touch with'

That, and the fact the whole thing appear to be done for no reason other than someone learnt some LSL, and thought it'd be neat thing to do ... but without any idea in the first place what to actually do with collected data. So it's basically extra workload for the sake of it.

"SLStats is an experiment to see what can be done. (..)
And again, SLStats is just an experiment. It might not go anywhere, but something interesting might come out of it."

What social network? People JOIN social networks....non-watchwears are DRAFTED INVOLUNTARILY into this network. How hard would it be for him to implement the follwoing.

Player A wearing a watch sees player B.
Data is sent to server and checked against these two cases.

case 1 - Server sees that player B has not reported seeing another player - so player B does not own a watch and is not participating.
Case 2 - Player B has not reported seeing another player in over a week - has taken the watch off and is no longer a participant.

Either case being matched 'Seen by' info is dumped since player B is not a willing participant.

And once a week he could run a query to see if players in his database had reported seeing anyone. If they had not, remove their info from the DB as they apparently quit participating.

A couple checks serverside to determine active participants and dumping data of non-participants / running a weekly cleanup for those that decide to stop participating and remove the watch. No need for an opt-in/out....just collect data from those willing to give it and not everything just because you can.

When you have NO other justification for your point other than 'Wow! Cool!', you have to demonize the other side somehow! People like mark and his alt Tryken (sp?) are the kind of folks that missed out on something I learned as a little child.

"Just because you can do something, does not mean you have to do it, or that you are right in doing it."

Too many pure techies either forget or are incapable of understanding the last two parts of that phrase. I understand technology quite well, I spent quite a few years trying to explain to management why junk faxing was bad, why spamming was bad, why misleading opt-ins (prechecked boxes, things worded in reverse so no meant yes but didn't APPEAR so unless you read closely) were bad when I was in corporate IT.

I not only understand the technology of what he is doing, but the downsides and potentials for abuse (not the least of which is the perception of privacy violation and ill-will towards him and his sites he has generated). I long ago outgrew the 'WOW! Cool! We got to do this!' mindset and started examining ramifications of doing things. Mark hasn't reached that point yet, apparently, where he considers others viewpoints until he's forced to.

His 'sense of humor' is what most would call being a pompous ass. He got his hands slapped and had to do an opt-out (I for one do not buy that he intended to do it 'later') so he's going to be surly about it. Combine that with the danger warning on the vendor for the opt-out boxes (to try to scare people into not opting out) and behaving just like any sleazy spyware marketer in how he worded the opt-out page (again trying to scare folks into staying in), he is not a class act.

And I like how the opt out page exists, and the link has been posted here, but its REAL hard to find on his website (last I looked, there was no prominent link to opt out, you had to root around and stumble over it).