Important Clarification from Torley: Yard Sales are NOT Banned

Opinion:

Flipper, where in all of this do you POSSIBLY by ANY stretch of the imagination get the idea that I think these is some kind of vendetta against me? Honestly.

Is it because I want yard sales and you don't care about them?

Here is the truth of the matter, and I doubt everyone is so stupid that they will believe anything otherwise:

1. People started saying - unequivocally - that yard sales are banned.

2. People began urging others to AR every event they saw with the words "Yard Sale" in it.

3. I knew yard sales were not banned. I like to go to yard sales. I had a yard sale, and plan to have others.

4. I put the question to Linden Answers and got a clarification.

So - everybody, feel free to post your legitimate yard sales. I will be delighted to attend.

CC

Surely LL would check out for themselves that events do break the rules (such as unhosted ones) before issuing warnings, like any other abuse reported item?

I mean, if someone reported me for having a 50ft penis on my roof, I'd hope LL would come and look to find that there isn't one and then discard the AR rather than just issuing a warning for violating the rules without looking?

Lewis

Some people just don't understand what a legitimate events listing is, as evidenced by Nyx's buddy

Excuse me please ... can you tell me how you got to your post from my simple thank you to Coco for pointing me at the question she asked and Torley answered?

You wouldn't be putting words in my mouth would you?

Answer:

Because after looking over it, I realized that Flip was actually basically saying, OMGZ, I had it wrong. I realized he was not suggesting, as you were, that I had put the question to the Lindens for clarification for no good reason.

CC

In answer to your question please read again what you said (quoted above).

'demise of the yard sale' = end of yardsales?

Which is what coco is making people believe for some obscure reason. When the issue is really about the events list inclusion.

Then I apologize for not being clear enough ... there are several other threads I've been reading lately that seem to me to be trumpeting the demise of yardsales; saying they are now forbidden from the events list. Coco had nothing to do with my interpretation of those statements, I came to my conclusions independently.

Perhaps you missed them.

In any event, it was not my intention to say that Coco is creating hysteria where none existed. I was thanking her for giving me information I valued; to wit, that bogus yard sales are no longer being tolerated but that legitimate yard sales are fine. And that those who are encouraging everyone to AR every single yard sale listing are incorrect and inciting harrassment.

I hope that is sufficiently clear.

Thank you Coco for giving me information I valued and helping set the record straight with regards to the erroneous information others have been distributing about yard sales no longer being tolerated in the events calendar.

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I agree

Oh boy ...

If LL ever needed proof that legislating on emergent community behaviour was on a hiding to nowhere, this is it ...

I guess it's a learning process. I hope someone is learning.

Clarification:

Excuse me, Ewan, if you would care to read the thread, you will notice that it was not me making people believe that for some obscure reason. It was Flipper making people believe that, because he was mistaken.

CC

QFT

I didnt get that from her post, in fact, I thought i was a useful post. Why toss out an ad hominem insult; it served no purpose than to insult for the sake of insulting. Don't you have something more constructive to add?

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rotflmgdao

Linden Labs is to the Metaverse ... as the original Napster was to music sharing.

Yes, LL is going to be ripped to bits by litigation. The actions are starting to happen now.

Not only is it pretty inevitable in this lawyer-ridden society, but it's also inevitable in any centralized implementation of the metaverse, just as it was with Napster.

The metaverse won't blossom until it becomes distributed.

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One of these fine Linden days or nights, I will have a Inventory Clearance Sale (aka fancy name for Yard Sale). After 2 1/2 years my inventory is screaming at me to unload. I've given countless pieces of clothing to newbies, but find I still have tons of objects, primarily furniture. Now, I know for the most part which of these items were given to me free for one reason or another; but after 2 1/2 years one or two might actually escape my memory. I would hope someone would actually be kind enough to point it out to me should they spot a freebie without being accusatory.

I will be present at my slotted time period and will hopefully record it in the events calendar correctly. As much as I like to chat with old friends and make new friends, I also like to shop, thus, the present state of my inventory.

I believe as Flip found there are tons of those out there who do not follow the rules stipulated by LL and who also sell freebies intentionally. It's sad that it happens and more than irritating for those who wish to hold an honest sale. I'm glad LL is cracking down on those who break their posting rules and I think it is helpful to know who is selling tons of freebies. However, I do encourage my fellow SLers to not paint all those who hold yard sales with the same negative brush stroke.

Thanks coco for pointing out the link to Torley's explanation on yard sales.

titter

The reason WHY she made this post are because of the following:

01-26-2006, 02:59 PM #1
Jesse Linden
Administrator

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 218

yard sales banned from the events calendar
posted this is the events forum, double posting here:

proposing to eliminate yard sales from the events calendar and redirecting folks to the classifieds where they belong in most cases.

also added the following text to the ever-increasing events posting rules :

'Advertisements for commercial products or services will be deleted from the events calendar. Repeated misuse of the event posting system for this purpose may lead to disciplinary action.'

thumbs up or thumbs down....?

Read the whole thread and everyone's responses Right Here

Including Jesse's where he says:

01-26-2006, 04:21 PM #18
Jesse Linden
Administrator

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 218

ok all gone...no more yard sales on the calendar...
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Up until I saw Coco's post the last I'd heard were that yard sales were gone, just like Jesse said.

Man Flip you gotta chill out a tad, you bust a vein up in yo head. This was a helpful post indicating a change in a policy that many of us had assumed was a done deal. Simply that.

Glad to see you back Enebriated. No, not really, actually.

Selling "free stuff" is part and parcel of open source, using both meanings of "free".

In every single commercial distribution of Linux, programs that are free of cost are bundled together and sold in aggregate. The added value being paid for is the tidy aggregation into a cohesive whole, or simply the provisioning of a single point of supply. It is the norm, and it is in accordance with the licensing, and it is the way that FOSS works, and works well.

The selling of free items in no way damages the FOSS community. In fact, it dramatically increases the supply-end of the chain and thus is a benefit to the end-customer, and it is inherently self-regulated by the negative feedback of not being able to charge too much for something that is available elsewhere for less or for nothing.

It seems that there is an attempt in SL to stop the selling of free items. Well, that won't work. It is entirely within the rights of an author to allow his creations to be distributed without restrictions, including any restrictions on whether or not something can be sold for profit.

Attempting to limit the sale of free items is an act of protectionism, pure and simple. It's unhealthy, and we don't need it. Shelf space costs money, and not being able to charge for items obtained for free means that offering them would lose the trader money, which of course means that the items will be removed from the shelves. This benefits no one.

Morgaine Dinova says, "Selling "free stuff" is part and parcel of open source, using both meanings of "free".

blah blah blah noise.

blah blah blah justification

blah blah blah I do what I like

blah blah, it will cost me my space in my shop to put it on my shelf ."


People who resell freebies are captial "L" oozers, and if you get caught doing it, you go on the "List".

Shame on people who act like parasites on the unsuspecting.

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