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Ravenelle Zugzwang
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05-10-2006 08:55
From: Morgaine Dinova I did start down that path, until you withdrew unilaterally from logical argument. Until you once again declare yourself open to being convinced by reason, it would be pointless to proceed.
To the community though (not to yourself), my point is simple and entirely self-contained, needing to convince nobody because nobody's counter opinion can affect it nor vice versa.
Any items created under the three very well known ownership and distribution instruments of Public Domain [Content] and Free Software and Open Source Software are by default not subject to any mandated selling at zero cost, unless LL states otherwise. They are subject only to whatever conditions their copyright holders (or in the case of Public Domain, their owners) decide shall hold.
Period.
To coercively enforce further conditions upon the products of others under some wierd planned economy rules is simply not acceptable, for products under those three categories. For products created under different categories, I say nothing at all, other than that the conditions of distribution selected by their creators should apply, as always. It is interesting to me the familiar writing style in which you and a well known freebie reseller write. I guess it's a matter of great minds thinking alike. |
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nimrod Yaffle
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05-10-2006 09:09
From: Ravenelle Zugzwang It is interesting to me the familiar writing style in which you and a well known freebie reseller write. I guess it's a matter of great minds thinking alike. I wouldn't blame her. You all attack her for selling freebies everytime she says something, even if it doesn't even have to do with selling things in SL. Yes, it's not right, and she shouldn't be doing it, but you're no better attacking her every word.
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nimrod Yaffle
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05-10-2006 09:10
From: Ravenelle Zugzwang It is interesting to me the familiar writing style in which you and a well known freebie reseller write. I guess it's a matter of great minds thinking alike. I wouldn't blame her. You all attack her for selling freebies everytime she says something, even if it doesn't even have to do with selling things in SL. Yes, it's not right, and she shouldn't be doing it, but you're no better attacking her every word.
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Jim Lumiere
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Join date: 24 May 2004
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05-10-2006 09:12
From: Ravenelle Zugzwang You are obviously too smart for any of us. Having said that, I think since you are an obviously an intelligent informed person that you have seen all the numerous threads and opinions within the community on this matter.
I come to the conclusion in your case that you think you are so much more intelligent that you have something new to bring to the argument and or you are on a troll. I lean toward the latter and wish you all the best in your pursuits because I see nothing new being brought forth in your argument. If she is so smart .. how come of the 7 posts she's made in this thread, none of them are on topic? And does this also mean that derailing the thread was the intention, and not accidental? |
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Cocoanut Cookie
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05-10-2006 09:54
From: FlipperPA Peregrine You're probably right.  However, my point here is that Yard Sales (and most Commercial events) have a reputation that is well-deserved. Coco seems to be crusading for an event category - yard sales - where only 1 in 20 is a legitimate event, as evidenced by my visits above. Also, I was quoted above that I have nothing against legitimate yard sales, however, here's what I think they need: (1) To ensure that a host is present for the entire duration of the event (3 hour events are automatically suspicious) (2) A defined start and end time (3) The host should proactively check permissions for fishy items; any items created by a Linden or available at well known freebie locations (GNUbie in Indigo, YadNi's) should be removed in advance. My guess is that would remove 95% of the yard sales on the list...and I think a lot of us are in agreement on this. I really miss the days where I could actually use the events list. Regards, -Flip Flipper, I do most fervently wish that you would stop putting words in my mouth. If you want to know something, I am right here; all you need to do is ask. Just as I was not thinking there is some sort of vendetta against me personally in all this (how in God's name could there be?), I am also not in the slightest "crusading" for a separate events category. In fact, I think a separate category for yard sales is completely unnecessary. We already have Commercial category, and that's the perfect place to announce yard sales. Not only am I not "crusading" for a separate yard sale category, I don't even think it's a good idea! I mentioned a separate category in my post to Linden Answers merely as an option in a list of options. I'd seen it brought up by another poster, and thought that iff there were some problem with yard sales being under Commercial - though I don't see how there could be - that would be an option. I mentioned it in the interests of being complete in my post to Linden Answers. Please refrain from putting putting words in my mouth; they are innacurate. It's not necessary to attribute overblown and absurd motivations to me in this really rather simple matter. We disagree about yard sales, and you have even made your own Events list where you forbid them, along with Tringo and lots of other things. But I'm still entitled to my own opinion, even if it differs from yours; I'm entitled to ask LL for clarification; and I'm entitled to put the results in this thread and encourage people to continue listing their legitimate yard sales in the events calendar. And I can now hold another yard sale myself, without fear of being AR'd for no reason. C C |