Newbie Camping

Thanks
Ill go have a look today.

It is understood that creating and building is fun, entertaining and fills a purpose in SL. However, the original poster never said that they park their av and sit and watch it for hours like someone mentioned here.....they wanted to park and go and do other things in RL...which I understand. Even if one does create and build one can still want to park their AV when they are not sitting at their computer and I don't get why people are so annoyed by this. SL is a very big place...if you don't like the camping places then don't go there....simple as that. I have to wonder how many mall owners would be complaining about lag if there were 50 AV's shopping on their land...hmm!

This whole thread is not about answering the posters question...it is about convincing them not to camp.

To the original poster. There are not many places that do not boot you off after awhile. However, there are a few that allow you to stay as long as you like. Most of those pay small amounts per hour. H2O has several dance pads that pay $4/10 min but it is very hard to find an open one unless you get there immediately after an update or the sim going down and then back up again. Hope this helps!

Actually, most of our answers are to help the OP have a stable income in SL without wasting time. More the point of the OP than jsut looking for camping sites, I believe. I used to give newbies a list of Moneytrees but with the removal of dwell, most have gone the way of the Dodo. Camping chairs have been on as sharp a decline, so most Residents don't have lists of them either. I know I don't.

So rather than let a newbie sit in silence, we have offered alternatives for a solution. Most from past personal experiances. Much improved over silence or badgering, wouldn't you agree?

~Jessy

Are any of these things activities the OP can engage their avatar in while they are away from the computer? For that was the gist of the inquiry.

Yes!

RL money to spend for a few L$ is not earned in-world. So while at thier job, they will be engaging in earning possible L$.

Setting up vendors to sell items happens wether in-world or not. Once done, it's automatic (aside from updating the vendor with new items and such).

Creativity and imagination do not have to have the medium present to function. Ideas of what to build/script to sell can be done nearly anywhere.

The truely "hands off" camping in SL is a dieing breed. The majority of places have timers to stand you up after a certain limit. That doesn't even include sim restarts and such. So even with this, a person may be required to be "available" just in case.

So is there something to earn L$ without being at your computer? Yup! Buy a Premium Account.

Otherwise? Not really. At least nothing longstanding, nor stable.

~Jessy

Instead of camping why not find a skin or clothing store that uses actual avatars as their models. I have run into at least one store doing this and I said to myself damn I wish I had thought of that first. Since we do not have autonomous avatars in SL, we need real avatars to pose for clothes and skins in stores. Well you can make some money that way I am sure because I think those models are paid by the hour much like clubs with dancers.

Try that.

Troy

FINALLY you answer the question.

Hi Atticus

I must be an unusual beginner (joined in July this year), because I'd never heard of camping chairs until I read your post. It doesn't sound very exciting.

It doesn't cost anything to learn to build or script; it's fun and it's ultimately where the money is to be made. Check out Academy of Second Life or Ivory Tower Prims. Look under Events for building and scripting classes. If you don't have land you can build in the sandboxes free of charge - I like New Creations Sandbox run by Anna Adamant.

Good luck and have fun.

Long ago a lot of forum commentators were stating that camping chairs would go away once Dwell and DI were removed. I stated this then, and l state it again - As long as there is a "Popular Places" list there will be camping chairs.

And I put "Popular Places" in quotes because, that list is in no way reflective of the quality or true popularity of place, since camping chairs have come into existence. Look at nearly every single club/casino on that list and you will find camping chairs.

Why?

Because buying your way to the "Popular Places" list = Advertising


Take Amsterdam as an example. A very nicely built sim - I used to frequently visit its shops. But it never has had near the traffic to appear on the list until the recently added dance pads. Now unfortunately what was once a great sim has become nothing but an unbearable lagfest, making shopping a misery now.

I know camping chairs can offer a few $L to newbies, but I believe they ultimately do more harm than they do good to the community, and on so many other levels (economic, social, creativity, server resources, etc) far beyond merely offering a lag and zombie infested "Popular Places" list.

FINALLY you understand the answer.

~Jessy

well, this is interesting topic, my start date in sl was october, im not going to lie i LOVED camping, my first few months easy cash it takes a bit to learn sl, and while camping u meet people make friends, and learn things if it wasnt for me camping i wouldn't have met the people and learned alot of the things i did. Currently i feel that camping is ridiculous however by saying they are stupid for doing it is a little harsh but there are other ways to earn easy money, some clubs have a raffle ball and money ball, learn to script or go to classes to learn to build those are always posted in the events section, but to answer your question an old friend of mine runs "palm sands resort" he has free slots there alot of the times, and he says his camping chairs are no boot, you should check those things out. Hope this was of help

Ellie!
Thank you sooo much for that tip! Im getting ready to start creating content myself and was hoping there was something just like what you have described here to get me started. When I get done with the Ivory Tower I plan on attending many classes as well. I am so glad that there is something like the Tower here though to give me a headstart on those classes that I was feeling nervous about anyways.

As soon as I am done at work I will go home find this post and find and landmark this awesoem sounding learning center. Many Many thanks

ah, irony

A while ago I worked it out. A L$12 an hour camping chair earns you one single solitary US cent every hour, after deducting the average cost of electricity for a computer.

And that was back in the era of L$275/$1.

Musuko.

I have one of those neighbours who's tried every barely legal trickin the book to try to force my group out. The funny thing is the teir is divided eight ways by virtue of having premium accounts so it's basically free land to us. So buddy, if he wants the land that bad, will have to make a reasonable offer. And reasonable gets more expensive every time we bounce off the full server with his 30+ camping chairs full.

~Kami

No but you guys sure seem to be willing to critisize and such on a basis that isn't even valid you can't create when your not at your computer.. well I can't. So if you can't post to the question being asked why are you even posting? Other than to look superiour.

Because some can create while away from thier computer. Some can do detailed builds in thier heads so teh actual build once in-world is a snap. Others are the same with scripting, etc.

Can I? No, but I know of persons who can so I was giving teh OP the benifit of the doubt that they might be able to.

Contrary to all the "outrage" by the new Residents posting here, none of us posting have demeaned you in the slightest. We post to give you a view of SL from our experiances. Others here have posted to find camping profitable and have answered with locations and information there in.

I have not profited off of camping. I find it a waste of my time and the electricity to run my computer. I find that many buisnesses that place camping chairs are substandard in thier wares or services and poorly laid out with reguards to the multitudes of other Residents whom may reside in the same sim.

Wether you wish to camp or not is up to you. Many of us feel you time would be better served to turn off the computer and spend those couple cents on L$ through the Lindex. You'd make more.

And what reason does anyone have to say we are not answering, except "to look superior"?

~Jessy

I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses. I found a good place to camp to earn some extra cash while I'm making stuff. I made my first shirt today and I'm proudly wearing it around. I attmepted objects, but I didn't really enjoy it that much. I know theres not a lot of room in the game for more clothing designers, but who knows, maybe someone else will want my Mt. Dew shirt LOL. I'm currently trying to get a non SLer to help me make some Anime and Video Game clothes, so look out for those.

Later everyone,
Atticus Undercity

Actually one of my cousins uses camping chairs for a few extra L$ for uploads. WHile she has her AV parked in one she in working on clothing Photoshop so yes it is possible to do both. She is a relatively new player without stipend and to her part of the fun of SL is seeing how far she can get without spending RL cash on L$. So she camps and makes clothing and when she has enough will rent a stall somewhere and make her first sale.

Not every camper is a zombie

Now THAT is resourcefull.. I'm not a fan of camping chair's and have never used one myself (nor bought a single Linden - assuming you don't count premium account stipend as buying) but that is a nice bit of resourcefullness which is nice to see .

Some people just don't get it, do they ?

??????? "Don't go there" ??????

How many times does one have to say it. Adjacent landowners have NO CHOICE BUT TO "GO THERE".

Their land can be (and mine is) rendered UNUSABLE by people camping. People who don't even have the courtesy to be AT THEIR COMPUTERS. Most are not enjoying themselves. They are not socialising. They are represented by a mouse jiggler, and may well be asleep or even away at work.

They are earning 1c per hour (someone calculated).

If I offered you pay like that to virtually destroy another person's use of something he scrimped and saved to buy, and you knowingly did it, I would think you morally bankrupt.

The point is, people loading a sim by actually attending an event in which they participate is something totally different. That is perfectly fair use, and doesn't go on 24 hrs a day, as camping does, giving neighbors no time to access their land, build etc.

I believe campers are perfectly decent people who simply don't realise what harm they can do to others if they go to a sim that is too full for no other reason than to be absent. Earning absolutely derisory sums in relation to their effect on others.

We need to kill the "Popular Places" List, which is rendered useless by camping, and provides the main commercial motivation for landowners to offer camping in the first place. Camping buys most places in the list. Go look at it.

Failing that - educate people - only "absent-camp" in a location which owns the whole sim, unless fewer than 10 people are in it . Otherwise you are abusing adjacent landowners.

What am I saying - how many will give a damn anyway ? In some places people stick knives in each other for $5.

A more measured discussion of this topic, with positive suggestions towards a solution, can be found in the latter part of this thread.

Some of us have no spare r/l cash to throw into buying lindens and also bein relatively new want to spend time exploring rather than making things so camping is good for earning a few $'s while we are havin a shower/doing housework etc. All most seem to be doing is enforcing what they want rather than just answering the question posed to them in the first place

This is where you open up a club of your own, with vendors of your own, and plenty of things with channel 0 listen scripts, etc. etc., and maybe even some camping chairs of your own until *he* gets the idea and gos and buys a sim of his own and stops abusing common land.

Why are some people so negative about newbies wanting to find pads or chairs or whatever else is in SL to get some extra L$? Give them a break. I put my avie on a pad before I go to bed... no harm in that! When I don't have time to spend exploring SL, I just make some money on those money pads. They were put there for a reason and yes, I have bought lindens.. twice. That money went towards renting a land and buying a house.

There actually is harm in that. Sims have a finite population limit. If 40 people (who are doing "no harm" decide to camp/dancepad all night when they are sleeping, they are depriving everyone else who is actually awake and enjoying SL of getting into that sim.