Newbie Camping

I started SL a few days ago and like all other beginners, I have found the camping chairs and started making money - albeit very slowly. I thought it would be helpful if a couple people could help me and the other beginners and make a list of some good camping places. Chairs, Dance Pads, Pigs, etc that pay a good amount and don't boot you after being there for a while. Any help would be appreciated and this may be a good way for business owners to get some new customers.

Thanks

Camping is really not sustainable, I suggest you skip that phase and move straight to content creation, as it's the most profitable.

Bigtime. Go hang out in a sandbox, build, learn and socialise. Hit up YadNi's Junkyard for a box of this, that and the other thing. Textures, furniture, vehicles, houses and scripts.

Do your camping when you're iin the shower or something and then only to go hunt down another box of L$1 cheapies in order to learn from them.

I appreciate your help, but I am currently trying to build and all this, but it would be nice to find a way to make some extra cash when I'm not at my computer. That's why I'm looking for chairs that have absolutley no timer and pay more than a dollar every ten minutes. This isn't my get rich scheme, but hopefully something that can pay for my uploads or gambling every once in a while.

Ok don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying it to be rude, it's just a suggestion.

Buy L$. Seriously you'll waste no more time on camping chairs and enough L$ to help with uploads and entertainment will only cost you a few bucks... definately worth it to be able to actually have fun in the game.

You said you want to make money while you're away from your computer. Well you're already doing that at your RL job. This is just spending a little of that on your entertainment for now, no different than going to the movies. Later when you've built up your skill and can make something people will want to buy then you WILL be earning L$ while you're away from your computer when people buy things from your store or vendor or whatever.

It's much more fun to log in, look at your balance and say "Yay someone bought something from me, I have money!" than it is to come home and look at your balance and think "Wow, I left my AV on this money chair all day and only made that much? What a waste."

cash is earned by work, not sitting in a corner, it will cost you more in electricity bill than youwill ever earn on a camp chair

Now I do have 2 dance pads in my mall but they will kick you off after a small set amount because they aren't there for traffic (dont usually need the boost). They are there right next to the freebies I and some of my vendors give away as a gift to newbies. They aren't meant to earn you any real money but just to give you a few L$ while you're scanning around shopping or browsing through the freebies you've picked up.

I see those 2 dance pads in my place as my alternative to having a money tree, its not there to make any real money but just to offer a few bucks for fun so they're set low for that reason.

Very interesting the way to play SL, Log in, right click on a chair and start "camping" watching your avie sitting there for hours for 5L ? for 8? instead of taking that time to build a good chair, a good house or something more creative?

I don't know but if you play the game like that, for sure I dont know why you even log in to the game.

It is the most boring way to go. SL is such a great place to create!!! Take advantage of it. Go to the library and learn!

I will never waste my money to give to campers who waste their time. Use your mind, your creativity and enjoy SL that way better...

And I am not trying to be rude either.

From what I read....the person was asking where they could find "camping chairs" that do not boot them off so that they could make some L$'s while they are not at their computer. That does not translate into them watching their AV for hours. What it says is that while they are not using their computer they would like their AV to be making some Lindens.

Why make this person feel stupid for wanting to do that? It is their business how they want to play this game. And BTW....some people leave their computers on all the time. I know I always have long before SL. This means that I am using electricity 24/7 and fortunately that is also my business.

If you all can't answer this persons question then I suggest you don't offer your opinions on why they "log in at all". Not trying to be rude??? Could have fooled me! That was uncalled for.

i dont know the awnser
but i do know that the average computer that can run SL uses more juice running SL than you will make camping

i know i know your not spending real money to get lindens , but actually yea you are, spend the 40 (or whatever) cents an hour and just by em off of lindex, you will have more time for activities and fun

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for only 40 cents an hour you can save years of servicable life on your computer and not cause everyones oil prices to go up a fraction of a cent

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I know is your business, and I was giving my opinion of camping chairs. If you want to use your electricity 24/7 for camping chairs, go ahead, I am glad for you. I do can offer my opinion just like you did.

If you like to use it looking at your avie sitting on a chair for hours to gain 5L or so, be my guest! Enjoy your fun...

In my opinion, and is my business (to keep creating and planning) as is your business to sit down. Too bad you dont see my point.

If you read the other posts, I share the opinion others do, so I am not the only one saying it.

Enjoy

True... if your PC is good enough to play SL, then you can afford $5 to buy some game money. You just need to put credit card verification details on your account, and I believe you get a bonus for doing that anyway.

You can buy prepaid gift cards if you don't have your own credit card.

Honestly, camping chairs suck, and I will not go to or stay anywhere that has camping chairs. Don't for one minute think that camping chairs exist to help you - they're simply to make the mall or casino owner look more popular than they actually are, and make it harder for honest players who sell quality goods to get the exposure they need, because the top chart is polluted by owners bribing people to sit on their plot for hours on end.

To me, camping chairs/dance pads are an admission that the lot itself has nothing else worth visiting on its own without bribing people to sit there.

Lewis

I gave camping and other in-world 'employment' a miss. Just consider the worth of L$10 or whatever they pay you for sitting around in a shop looking desperate. How long would it take to earn L$100? And that's worth about 2 pence in real terms. You'd be better of doing a paper round and buying lindens.

Albion

Ouch Lewis..heh. Not always. Obviously places that set out several chairs or pads and keep them stocked to always pay out well are only playing with traffic numbers, BUT I would point to my other post above as evidence that not all do that.

My traffic fluctuates up and down, good days and not so good days and really good days. My 2 (only 2) dance pads won't pay out more than pocket change before kicking people off and sending them on their way. They are there not for traffic but as a small gift to shoppers. My traffic numbers don't seem to be impacted by them at all. I'm sure it would be if I stocked them full of lots of cash or spread out a whole bunch of them, but some of us arent interested in doing that.

I don't think the camping gadgets themselves are necessarily bad, I just think they are way way overused.

I don't want to be unfriendly here, but many newbies seem unaware that camping is in fact a form of abuse of adjacent landholders.

A seated avi consumes substantial server resources. Since each 250m square of land is run by one computer, all landowners in the sim share its processing power.

I have a major camping venue (cum brothel) in my sim. Never less than 20 avis there, often 30 plus.

The sim runs at time dilations below 0.7 lots of the time. I cannot build. I can barely move. My land is rendered worthless by other residents greed. Not even for decent money but for absolutely trivial sub-dollar amounts.

Presumably everyone at the "venue" suffers the same appalling server response, so camping is all it's good for.

My advice is - do something constructive.

If you absolutely must camp - be a good neighbour. Never never camp in a sim with more than about 10 other people in it. (The map will tell you).

If you do you are wasting resources others need, and damaging the experience of adjacent landowners for the puniest greed imaginable.

Okay,

First, I agree with all who ahve said you are better off doing creation than camping. One you don't earn that much, and two, camping chairs are there one day, gone the next. It's more work to find them over and over than it is to create things to sell.

Second, I am on a very limited income for SL. RL comes first. So, though I have the computer to run SL *grins at Lewis*, I don't really have the means to put more into SL. I did purchase a year long Premium Account, so I get my L$ and my land by that means. If I can spare an extra buck or two, then I rate that as extra income to SL. At 300:1 (on average) it doesn't take much to gain a bit of L$.

Third, as with Lewis, I look unfavorably on any buisness that uses the camping chairs/pads. Part of that is as Lewis mentioned, that a lot of poor creators use them to draw in people they coul dnever normally get. I reallise some, like Allana, use them as intended, to help newbies and possibly just gain a margin of traffic. The other part of my dislike for them is the lag they create. Sometimes through poor scripting (some are just a mess) but mostly through clientside lag of all the newbies with all those blingtard attachments idling in the area. Good way to keep me away is to have a mass of green dots, or to make the Popular List. Contrary to most thinking, Popular Places to me are simply lagfests. If I go there at all, it is with a specific need or want and I get that and leave.

Lastely, the cost of creation is actually fairly low. There are many vendors for free to set your items up for sale in (I find Hiro's a very nice startup set). And unless you are into incredibly complex custom work off the bat, a stop at YadNi's to collect the texture bundles there will give you more than you will ever use. Remeber, you can stretch, offset, and crunch textures so they do not have to look like the original at all. Then there are many buisnesses that will let you start up a vendor for a limited time (usually a week) for free (assuming you use the 1-prim vendors so not to take up extra prims), or that will give a newbie a discount for that first week/month. I made a pupose to keep track of thsoe freebies and I paid them back once I made the L$ to cover. It wasn't required, but it means that person is not out anything for being nice and will probably continue to be nice to newbies.

Creativity is the key. There are so many opertunities in SL. Up to you to find the ones that fit you best, but I highly advise agaisnt camping for any length ot time. imo, you will be leaps and bounds ahead to look to other means.

~Jessy

Just to remind those who blame the OP for not being creative, or practicing building, just sitting his avi on a chair..

No one is blaming him. Just pointing out that it's not really a profitable solution and offering alternatives and points of view.

~Jessy

To put the positive side - learning to build something sellable is not easy without guidance.

But we have a superb resource which is a MUST for newbie hoping to be creative.

Visit the "Ivory Tower Library of Primitives". I believe it's in Natoma, but best to do a "Search/Places" to find it.

It is large building full of 3-d building demos and tutorials, carefully arranged in graduated order of difficulty. Start where it say "Start here" on the floor.

I cannot praise this highly enough. It took me from an ignorant newbie to a competent builder in a couple of hours. Currently well up-to-date, including flexiprims.

And remember - be considerate. Don't camp in any sim with more than ten people in it.

Yes camping is a resource drain but I am afraid I have to disagree with you on something. Campers like anyone else in SL do bear responisibility for controlling some of the lag they cause wearing flexi blingy whatevers and highly scripted objects attached to their AVs then can and should (in my opinion) removed before parking themselves to camp. That is just being neighborly and quite honestly we all should be looking at how much of that we are carting with us. That said, it is NOT the campers responsibility to control how many people are in a sim and how many camping. In that case your argument more rightly should be pointed at the owner of the camping place not the people who use the facility.

Okay, I'm going to just answer the original question and be done with it.
If you REALLY must camp, Moonshine Casino is a pretty nice place to check out.

But yes, I love going to my transactions to see that somebody has bought some avatars from me, and even just seeing that people have gotten my FREEBIES makes me all happy on the inside. Build, it's fun!

i was wondering if they sold these. where can i get them?

By the same token, don't go to any clubs, malls, etc., in any sim with more than ten people in it.

/yeah right

I suggest just buying Linden too, i joined up last week and found it frustrating wasting time on chairs etc, much better now i have money to spend!

Depends where in the world you are.

If you're in the US, Wal-Mart, Eckert, CVS, Walgreens etc, plenty of places.

They're like a "pay as you go" credit card, you can either buy a fixed amount or just top them up as you need to, so it's not "credit" as such but you can buy things that only take a credit card.

Lewis