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Chronic Skronski
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08-28-2006 11:14
From: Anita Supplee Some of us have no spare r/l cash to throw into buying lindens Do you have a dollar? If so, this could buy you more lindens than you would get from camping for hours and hours. During my first day or two, I thought "wow, free money!" and did about an hour's worth of camping myself. Then I started reading posts from experienced SL-ers and realised what a waste of time and resources this was and stopped altogether. If you want some free money, look around for money trees, or play a game or two of Tringo, or look in the classifieds for employment, etc. Don't just sit there slumped over while away from your computer. You're potentially taking away someone else's fun while not having any yourself.
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Kamilah Hauptmann
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08-28-2006 18:38
From: Chronic Skronski Do you have a dollar? If so, this could buy you more lindens than you would get from camping for hours and hours. What gets me is, what is the price of a broadband connection monthly? The price of a PC capable of running SL? For the price of a one month membership, bought on a Monday so there are five stipends in a month, there is a signing bonus, and with the First Land flip, someone could have L$5-7000 for the price of one month's membership -and- have the magic 'Payment Info Used' on their profile. That's an $18-25 value. The Payment Info Used flag? Priceless  ~Kami Bonus priceless: It costs more in power to run a PC at camping rates.
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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08-29-2006 11:39
People are so negative about this because some unscrupulous land owners are cramming so many chairs into thier sim that those share the sim with them cannot get any use out of it. This is not the case with every place that has chairs or dance pads. It is not the fault of those who use them. Many wish LL would take a more active stance, but they have declined to do so thus far.
Ellie, here is my suggestion to you... You and your neighbors sign up 20 to 30 friends who are willing to leave thier computers on all the time and camp out in your neighborhood. Do a sit in protest.... keep the mall/club owner from using his property until he is willing to negotiate reasonable compromises such as: limiting the amount of camping chairs: buying out your property; limiting the time the chairs are available; or whatever creative solutions you can come up with together.
Good luck. IM me in world if I can help.
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Kamilah Hauptmann
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08-29-2006 17:59
From: Whimsycallie Pegler People are so negative about this because some unscrupulous land owners are cramming so many chairs into thier sim that those share the sim with them cannot get any use out of it. This is not the case with every place that has chairs or dance pads. It is not the fault of those who use them. Many wish LL would take a more active stance, but they have declined to do so thus far.
Ellie, here is my suggestion to you... You and your neighbors sign up 20 to 30 friends who are willing to leave thier computers on all the time and camp out in your neighborhood. Do a sit in protest.... keep the mall/club owner from using his property until he is willing to negotiate reasonable compromises such as: limiting the amount of camping chairs: buying out your property; limiting the time the chairs are available; or whatever creative solutions you can come up with together.
Good luck. IM me in world if I can help. Random tought: You know, when someone fills a lot with camp chairs and fills the sim, what it really is is a denial of service attack. So, random ideas to further your idea, what if... all these 20-30 friends idling, were wearing clothing textured with 2048X2048 textures (or larger) and distributed themselves around the offending campsite? The club/casino/whatever would be nothing but a field of grey. ~Kami
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Kamilah Hauptmann
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08-30-2006 20:38
More random thoughts, from the Community Standards:
6. Disturbing the Peace
Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace.
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Global Attacks
Objects, scripts, or actions which broadly interfere with or disrupt the Second Life community, the Second Life servers or other systems related to Second Life will not be tolerated in any form.
Now picture a ~6000 sq/m casino/club/etc with 24 camping chairs and the neighbouring mall with at least 6 more. Residents cannot get into the sim and when they do clothing textures don't rez even in an hour and a half despite a 700m separation in elevation. Does a 24/7 near-full or full sim constitute Disturbing The Peace or a Global Attack (On that sim at least)?
Perhaps an AR every time a resident can't get into the sim?
~Kami
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 20:46
From: Kamilah Hauptmann More random thoughts, from the Community Standards:
6. Disturbing the Peace
Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace.
And:
Global Attacks
Objects, scripts, or actions which broadly interfere with or disrupt the Second Life community, the Second Life servers or other systems related to Second Life will not be tolerated in any form.
Now picture a ~6000 sq/m casino/club/etc with 24 camping chairs and the neighbouring mall with at least 6 more. Residents cannot get into the sim and when they do clothing textures don't rez even in an hour and a half despite a 700m separation in elevation. Does a 24/7 near-full or full sim constitute Disturbing The Peace or a Global Attack (On that sim at least)?
Perhaps an AR every time a resident can't get into the sim?
~Kami You know what gets rid of campers easily? Rebooting the sim. I'm just saying. 
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 20:58
Yawn.. There hardly ever been more than 20 people in the entire sim (everyones land included) where this incident took place. Not once was anyone locked out, if it happened, it was a 1 in 1,000,000 fluke. And again, all this complaining is coming from people who I half suspect of purchasing the land days ago just to complain about it.
People accusing me of buying a bunch of scripts and lagging the sim... I make all my own scripts.. Of locking people out.. There is 15 people max at my place at any given time, rarely is the sim count above 20 and I've NEVER seen the AV limit anywhere near close enough to lock someone out.
Reminds me of a report I saw on the Daily Show the other day. A conservative republican guy moves to San Francisco with his son, moves into an apartment in CASTRO. Then starts a crusade against the local culture because he doesn't think its any place for him to raise his son, and against his Christian values.. He could have moved in just about any neighborhood he wanted, but no, he chose a city where he saw something he didn't like going on and decided to move there just so he could stir up shiat and get his 15 minutes of fame.. He was full of crap, and so is the OP..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 21:02
From: Guido Columbia Yawn.. There hardly ever been more than 20 people in the entire sim (everyones land included) where this incident took place. Not once was anyone locked out, if it happened, it was a 1 in 1,000,000 fluke. And again, all this complaining is coming from people who I half suspect of purchasing the land days ago just to complain about it.
People accusing me of buying a bunch of scripts and lagging the sim... I make all my own scripts.. Of locking people out.. There is 15 people max at my place at any given time, rarely is the sim count above 20 and I've NEVER seen the AV limit anywhere near close enough to lock someone out.
This thread is a cheap personal attack, and this thread should have been closed long ago. If LL is worth a grain of salt the OP will be banned for the numberous TOS violations he has engaged in today.
Reminds me of a report I saw on the Daily Show the other day. A conservative republican guy moves to San Francisco with his son, moves into an apartment in CASTRO. Then starts a crusade against the local culture because he doesn't think its any place for him to raise his son, and against his Christian values.. He could have moved in just about any neighborhood he wanted, but no, he chose a city where he saw something he didn't like going on and decided to move there just so he could stir up shiat and get his 15 minutes of fame.. He was full of crap, and so is the OP.. You're in the wrong thread. But anyway. I've never seen less than 20 people on your parcel. Ever. EVER. that's your parcel. NOT including the others of us outside. Everyone else who posted in the other thread about how you run the sim has been in that sim as long as you have. I'm the only new person. There's been no violations to the ToS at all today. If there had been the Linden would've told me so when you complained. So get off it. And I'm gay. Mentioning the Castro didn't make any sense.
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:07
Your right, wrong thread. In the castro story I'm comparing you to the guy who moved into a neighborhood he knew he wouldn't like just to stir up trouble with people..
He moved to castro just to stir up trouble, you moved to dosojin just to stir up trouble. Either way, even if you didn't both of you should have known better..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 21:09
From: Guido Columbia Your right, wrong thread. In the castro story I'm comparing you to the guy who moved into a neighborhood he knew he wouldn't like just to stir up trouble with people..
He moved to castro just to stir up trouble, you moved to dosojin just to stir up trouble. Either way, even if you didn't both of you should have known better.. I moved into Dosojin because there was land available and I knew someone already there. Beyond that I don't have to provide any further justification. My store doesn't destroy the sim. Your camping pads do.
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nimrod Yaffle
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08-30-2006 21:15
Nevermind, I'm weird.
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:16
And according to the conservative republician, all the gay people in his neighborhood was ruining his city. But you see, the gay people were there first, and he knew it, he bought the land anyway so he could complain about something he otherwise would have had no right to, truth is he doesn't have the right, he knew what city he moved into, so did you.
And you have not been locked out of your sim, even though you've been a complete A-hole I still won't allow that to happen. Plus Dosojin is less laggy than MOST sims.. You quite frankly have no legitimate gripe..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 21:18
From: Guido Columbia And according to the conservative republician, all the gay people in his neighborhood was ruining his city. But you see, the gay people were there first, and he knew it, he bought the land anyway so he could complain about something he otherwise would have had no right to, truth he he doesn't have the right, he knew what city he moved into, so did you.
And you have not been locked out of your sim, even though you've been a complete A-hole I still won't allow that to happen. Plus Dosojin is less laggy than MOST sims.. You quite frankly have no legitimate gripe.. Gosh it must be the sux0r to be so persecuted in life. You have my admiration.
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:19
I simply said you have no legitimate gripe and gave you a real-world example of this same situation in action. I never said anyone was persecuted..
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nimrod Yaffle
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08-30-2006 21:20
From: Guido Columbia
And you have not been locked out of your sim, even though you've been a complete A-hole I still won't allow that to happen. Plus Dosojin is less laggy than MOST sims.. You quite frankly have no legitimate gripe..
I'm sure there's sims less laggy than Dosojin. lets go there and lag them up, then claim that there's worse when people cimplain, and they should just shut up and put up with it.
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 21:21
From: Guido Columbia I simply said you have no legitimate gripe and gave you a real-world example of this same situation in action. I never said anyone was persecuted.. The problem is you don't feel my gripe is legitimate, but everyone else I cohabit the sim with shares my issue. So who's wrong? I'm not feeling like it's me.
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Tyrant Laffer
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08-30-2006 21:24
I didnt read this really long thread. And I know there arnt a lot of fans of campers. But I like to be helpfull. I have a copyable folder of money tree locations. They can only be used by new accounts. So find me in world or IM me about it and Ill give you a copy.
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:31
Because they don't have a legitimate gripe either. And you started posting in the forums by attacking me and mentioning my name & business intentionally against the TOS. It doesnt even matter if you are right, the way you handled it is wrong.. I'm sorry if SL slows a bit when people actually use their land.. I'll see if I can rewrite the client for you.. See the thing is you just don't like seeing someone having a popular place, camping chairs don't mean anyting, you just dont want alot of avatars in the sim.. But then again you bought the land knowing it was a busy sim... It really seems you ran into this knowing there would be an issue, but of course, aparantly thats what you wanted all along..
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:34
And you have 1/4th the land I do. You have had consistantly 3 people on your land at any given time.. Your going to complain to me about having 10-15 people when at land/avatar ratio you use up just about the same ammount of sim resources???
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 21:37
From: Guido Columbia Because they don't have a legitimate gripe either. And you started posting in the forums by attacking me and mentioning my name & business intentionally against the TOS. It doesnt even matter if you are right, the way you handled it is wrong.. I'm sorry if SL slows a bit when people actually use their land.. I'll see if I can rewrite the client for you.. See the thing is you just don't like seeing someone having a popular place, camping chairs don't mean anyting, you just dont want alot of avatars in the sim.. But then again you bought the land knowing it was a busy sim... It really seems you ran into this knowing there would be an issue, but of course, aparantly thats what you wanted all along.. Sigh. I didn't post anything about you at all. I posted a photograph. I didn't mention you until you started whining to me, and even then I deleted your name. The name of your business hasn't come up at all. "People" are not using your land. You seem to not understand the difference between active avatars and people standing AFK on a dance pad to collect 140 L$ a day (roughly). Active avatars using the land is one thing. AFK campers are leeches and it's selfish to provide for them. If you had an actual place that took time and ingenuity to create that would be one thing and it'd be worthy of being a popular place. A casino is not one of those things, and for what it's worth yours is an especially poorly-built one. Someone out of the Ivory tower would do more than a big ugly box. Camping chairs don't have a legitimate use in SL. Ever. If your "customers" were there doing something active while I might not like the drain on resources, it would be more than what you have now. But they aren't. And once you deleted the camping chairs you have no avatars in the casino. And you know what? The sim is passable now.
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 21:39
From: Guido Columbia And you have 1/4th the land I do. You have had consistantly 3 people on your land at any given time.. Your going to complain to me about having 10-15 people when at land/avatar ratio you use up just about the same ammount of sim resources??? Again, you're either lying or wrong about your numbers. In my own experience there has never, NEVER been less than 20 people on your parcel. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Is that clear now? Ever. Ever. Ever. I had a grand-opening party for my store. And people weren't able to TP in because of YOUR AFK camping buddies. You only have an 8th of the sim. You're using most of the sim's resources. That's selfish and inconsiderate. And slimy. I'm going to bed. We'll have to continue this tomorrow. But please take it back into the other thread so people here aren't confused. Au revoir.
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:40
Every camping chair is still there, not a single one was removed at any point... I think your just missing them..
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Lost Newcomb
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08-30-2006 21:43
From: Guido Columbia Every camping chair is still there, not a single one was removed at any point... I think your just missing them.. Are you the gray alien guy? I was next to him when Micheal Linden came .. and ??? .. the camping stuff was gone. At the same time I saying something like "camping is unfair for non-afk'ers"
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Guido Columbia
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08-30-2006 21:44
From: Joshua Nightshade Again, you're either lying or wrong about your numbers. In my own experience there has never, NEVER been less than 20 people on your parcel. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.
Is that clear now?
Ever.
Ever.
Ever.
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Lost Newcomb
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08-30-2006 21:45
From: Guido Columbia Then open in a sim that's not busy instead of opening right next to me for the popularity but then complain about the campers.. You benefit from me being there much more than you think.. Who said you could take all the resources of the sim? You are not in majority even in that sim. I think it's you who should move to your own private island.
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