ATTN Furries: The Forest is DEAD

I agree about the drama part.

But Anshe is accusing someone of slander as well as someone making accusations about her. We are talking about two different things here.

Also, if you started at thread about me, yes I could do something about it, because that is against the TOS, which makes me wonder why this thread still has not been locked.

It is slander, evidence has been presented that proves that Anshe couldn't be the person behind it. From post #21

If your not a group officer you can't kick people from a group, period. Anshe does not get any special treatment from the lindens, contrary to popular belief, as was proven when her account was locked out a few weeks ago. She was not an officer in Forest Friends and Fans and people were getting kicked from it, she was framed, and this post is slander. Once again, it is impossible for Anshe to be behind this.

Here's some actual facts to toss around in this thread. Inorder to delete stuff on the Forest the perpetrator needed to be an officer in the Forest land group, and to kick people out of "Forest Friends and Fans" they also had to be an officer in that. There are only 2 possible people that could have done this, since there are only 2 people that are officers in both groups, Yiffy Yaffle, and Eirinn Overdrive. One of them is the person that carried this out. Have fun finding your own Judas. (if there is some sort of estate tool i'm forgetting about do the same thing, take your list of The Forest estate managers and compare it to the officers in the "Forest Friends and Fans" group, still no Anshe employees on that list)

Oh i'm sorry is this where i'm suppossed to call Anshe evil? I must have forgot, mabey next post.

Anshe, you may have sunk funds into The Forest. I don't doubt that, but thought that I or any of the other officers profited from The Forest is strange to say the least. Unless you consider things like sleep loss and mental exhastion to be a form of profit. I am very aware of things like the running costs of sims. It's something I looked into long ago. But it's one of those things in life that communities do not exist for profit. They merely exist and go through a life-cycle of their own. Something that caught Nexxus on the rebound in spite of his herculean efforts with FurNation.

However, your habit of 'shooting from the lip' does you no favours. The defamation camapaign you mounted against me earlier this year was entirely uncalled for and based on fabrications you pulled out of thin air. Similarly your recent actions have highlighted your contempt for other players in SL who don't happen to be sitting atop of a mountain of cash. We are all very real people, not chesspieces and muppets for you to move around a board.

Tks a lot for the info.,,, apriciated your ansver. Good luck with your business.

/Tina

SL should follow the Golden Rule:

He who has the gold, makes the rules!

May it ever be so.

Anshe, did you ever work for President George W Bush? If not, I must say you are one of the best spindoctors around You go girl!!

You forget the part where all our online IM's and Emails were not replied. Most of them were about PAYING RENT! Dont sniffle about it when you rejected our offers in the first place. That's just ridicoulus



Actually you're forgetting a few things or you may not know them, same thing. I was asleep, i'm living in Europe and my acc was logged out and i do not keep alts. It is also possible to send your alt an invite to a group Anshe could very well have done this, (as could anyone that has had status as officer). Just look at it, she did it in the Forest Friends group, what should stop her in doing it in forest furries?

If Anshe cared about the future development of the Forest she should have answered the Tons of IM's and Emails. Keeping us in the dark is the same as stalling the sim. Poor sim managment... us? No Anshe, you made sure we didnt have a choice. llAnsheCreateFact(string lie, integer users);

Sera, I have to disagree with you there about Anshe's hijinks yesterday when she went on her little rampage. First off, it was one of her alts, anshee chung who was the officer in the Forest Fans & Friends group that was doing the ejecting. Each time I requested the duty Lindens to demote her ( so that I, the group founder, could eject her) she managed to re-invite herself back as an officer a total of 5 times. This can only be done if you have sent invites to yourself previously.

As I observed 2 other alts of hers appeared in the officers of the group in short order: Xiao chung and Geo chung. And I had to ask the duty Lindens to demote them as well in order for me to eject them. I have the logs to prove this as well. That was a pre-planned piece of destruction. Just as preplanned as her destruction of The Forest itself. Just as preplanned and orchestrated as her defamation campaign against me.

No, Anshe has not been framed, but has been caught red-handed, so to speak. Fortunately for her, she could order a sim rollback. I, on the other paw cannot order a 'rollback' for the Forest Fans & Friends group and face the stultifying prospect of sending out roughly 600 group invites manually.

Sorry. this doesn't gel for me. Whether you like Anshe or not, she is a business woman. The techniques you describe aren't things a business would do. This is just more like hacking and guerilla warfare than what a business would do.

She would be within her rights to kick you out from the land you owned and might have done that. But the rest just sounds like infantile rampage.

And I agree with a previous poster: The burden of proof is on YOU. Until you have tangible proof from the logs, stop going on a crusade and calling names. The TOS apply to you too! It's easy to name anyone and come up with conspiracy theories.

I agree that this should be investigated and resolved... BY THE LINDENS. This is not a matter for forum debate. We don't judge by committee.

Wendel

Anshe you were too online. You were using your Anshee Alt! You began ejecting everyone from a group you did not own and had no rights to. HOW the hell did you get back in after being ejected i want to know that! But if your still able to do so i will file reports! Stay out of our affairs. As for the forest you can take your sim and do whatever you want to it. But you will never bring it back how it was. That content doesnt belong to you. It will be moved to Serenity Woods. As each owner finds their stuff they have the right to come take it back. Your best bet is to start over with a clean sim cuz it will eventually be one anyway.


Well i duno what to tell you there but i was online at the time this was taking place. She was kicked from officer but SOMEHOW came back and continued to kick others out. and she does not own the group. You probably should have witnessed it.. But Everyone there witnessed it! We obviusly have currept lindens! Anshe isnt the angel some people think she is either so get off it...

And Furthermore The Massive Sim return happened while my client was crashed for over a half hour. It would be impossible for me to return anything. Your just trying to find a scapegoat cuz you don't wish to believe that the almighty land baron wouldnt stoop this low. The fact is she was wanting us gone for a long time. She picked that time to strike cuz of the group proposals against her.

Anshe doesn't seem to want to rent islands all that much. The value is in renting small (but not that small) blocks. I got a 1024sqm block for $8/month, whereas I'd have had to pay $15/month for that otherwise - and the purchase was just $4 upfront. Yes, you get the L$ with a premium account, but you'd have to save up for a while to avoid the transaction costs, and meanwhile that's another $7 going out of your pocket. I said above that some furries have plenty of money - but many do not, and if you're looking to reduce expenses, it's one place to start. Even those that have the money might want to be thrifty.

Note that the Guides apparently did not have to pay rent to start with, and then had to pay 9 months' at once. That seems to have been a nasty surprise sprung on them by Anshe. I don't think she intended to do so from the beginning, but if I were suspicious I would say that she didn't intend for them to be able to meet that demand. They did, but in this paranoid vision that wasn't what she really wanted, because I have to assume she doesn't make much money from rented islands. Regardless, she proceeded with her other plans - to create several new islands around The Forest (Bunny Bay in April, and the Coyote Islands was added just recently - it was being forested as the situation played out). She then began to try to turn The Forest into a classical hub and when the people running it protested, she had the perfect excuse . . .

Of course, that may not be fair to Anshe. From her point of view, the furries had a free ride for nine months, and she was only forced to step in when the current administration decided to obstruct her plans for expansion. And you have to admit that she did have some pretty big excuses. Still, it seems odd that she did not respond to the previous offers of further rent from the Guides.

The Forest (or rather, the Guides) have not lost everything. The trees and such were all returned to their owners and will be restored in whatever new location they choose. The risk is that people will just not choose to go there. However, given the ease of teleportation, it seems like it should be possible for people to do so - and possibly move if they offer tree house apartments as they previously did.

As I write this, Anshe has begun to make new hires from her tenants - Dreamland angels to be liaisons to the furry community. I hope they realize what they are getting into. At least this time it will be clearer that they are what the Guides never understood they were - employees.

I would expect that this thread will get locked very soon. Too many public accusations...

I can verify that content in the quarter-sim that Anshe deleted was not returned. It was destroyed. I have a friend who had an item in that area, part of the art gallery, and he checked and ensured that the gallery art that he had on display there was not returned to him.

The subsequent deletion of everything else, by whoever did that, did return things to their owners. My store came back to me. In pieces, each linked object seperate, but it came back.

Somehow, the Forest Store has since that time been partially restored. Hardly anything else was. My store in that mall reappeared, and I was credited with my remaining time there as a mall renter. Another renter there, Starchaser Webb, had his vendor restored to the mall, but was only credited with one month and three days rent, where he had, just days earlier, purchsed two months worth. The two payments had been made within minutes of each other, and he should have had two months and three days credit.

But most of the beautiful content of The Forest seems gone forever.

Anshe, I feel, was wrong to just delete a quarter of The Forest so she could sell lots there. Yet as sim owner, she had the right to do that. I think she did it badly, but she could do it. It wans't a good thing, it could have been managed far better, but the community there could have survived it.

Alazarin, I know, felt greatly, personally harmed by that deletion. A lot of what was destroyed was his work. But I feel he was wrong to react as he did, with his signs against Anshe. He's my friend, but two wrongs don't make a right.

As for whoever deleted the rest, WHOEVER THEY ARE, I think they should be publicly exposed, and should be banned from SL. They have destroyed a fragile trust in that community. I hope they are happy, because they killed the community. May their Karma reflect the vile nature of their actions.

A while back, a lot of other content was deleted in The Forest. The officer blamed for it got a slap on the wrist. At that point, I moved out. I didn't feel safe there. The only things I left in The Forest were my vendor in the Forest Store. This newest mess id another killing blow to the community.

At this point, Anshe can certainly rebuild the sim as she sees fit. But I don't think many of the previous residents will feel safe there any more. I expect most of them will leave.

You're new here, aren't you?

Don't worry ceera it's not lost. Everything is backed up and is being placed in our new sim.


9 Months.. Now it gets reborn in a new sim.

I don't think The Forest will have a lot of traffic anymore. It only had 5000 before and now that we moved out nobodys gona go there unles it was by mistake.

I only have one thing to say about this, as far as the group part.

Earlier yesterday, before I had heard any of the rest of it, I was hanging out in another area, and someone (on logging in I believe) wondered out loud why he had gotten kicked out by Anshe, and someone else had to explain about the group kicking to both of us. (And no I don't have logs, because I didn't think I'd need to save it and there's no auto-logging function to easily save everything.)

Unless someone staged that whole scene(tin foil hats anyone?) just for the benefit of two or three people there who weren't members of the group and had little effect on anything(since I know I went there maybe 5 times ever), then that much can be considered verified by an outside source. If it's true that Anshe is sharing her accounts around, and the person herself behind them really didn't do it like she says, then I suggest she take a long, hard look at the people she gave access to those accounts to.

Burden of proof on him? No, I think not. He has no power to do so, and he was the one who created lots of the stuffs in the forest. No way he did that destruction. Anshe, on the other hand, try to accused him for no evident. She also trying to quote Nicole's word that Nicole was the one telling who about 'griefing'. She also the only one have enough power to use such lots of Alts. And do you have proof that her business is all clean?? Who know the business world. There're backstapping everywhere and everyone want only money and nothing else. No, it was not part of the Furries community who did this. It was someone else. And Anshe happen to not be part of the Community as well. As seen in her try to recreate the sim in her own way.

Exactly. If Anshe herself isn't doing. And what rumored is true. And you should check on those ones, Anshe. Check them all carefully.

Nah...we'll spread it out. We'll spread it. And it'll be even bigger than before! *lol now that's sound like some hero's word in the ending of some monster-invation movie *

Islands are just licenses. There's nothing keeping them from simply renaming the sim and placing it at a different coordinates... nobody will ever know the difference. People could be in 'the forest' and not ever realize it. My guess is that the owner of the sim will get their money's worth out of it, one way or another.

-edit: Unfortunately, in this case, it certainly sounds, even with all due rationality, that someone ON ANSHE'S ACCOUNT was responsible for this, one way or another. Unfortunately, you cannot claim ignorance when someone is using your account. It is still your responsibility. I do not know the facts of any of this one way or another, however, if it is true that someone on Anshe's account (any of them) was responsible, the owner of the accounts must be held responsible.

This is not the first time this has happened in the year I've been in SL. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

If Anshe doesnt have control over her accounts them i would be greatly puzzled and very very scared. I do not agree with Anshe in this part, but i'm pretty sure she knows what she's doing, whatever that is.

I think i know how anshe was being re added as a officer in forest fans and friends group... She could have been Inviting an alt as a officer so she could re invite herself. If thats the case we need to start a new group and disband that one. There could be a pending Invite right now for all we know. Also isn't this illegal?

Obligatory "this will not end well"

MM

There are many with a few messages at forum - in this thread... any more than I that has noticed it?

/Tina - EXAKT peace and love to you al OK most of))