ATTN Furries: The Forest is DEAD

haha

I wish I had the money to give out sims for free to groups that need it but that is only a dream...(probably).

So many nice things I have seen at the furry sims.. . and so many nice people...

/Tina

Let's show Anshe how strong we are and move out all our contents from her sims! See how much will she lost for doing this to us.

And do somethings, Lindens, I'm losing my trusts in you.

/me look forward to see Anshe Corp. collapsed to the ground.

You see... there's one thing I've never understood about renting.

I've just checked the Anshechung.com website, and rent prices on islands are exactly the same as tier, so you're essentially getting a premium account free.

However, a premium account gives you L$500 a week instead of the basic L$50 a week, which at the current (low) L$ value difference of L$1800 in a 4 week month is worth around $5.77, assuming that you occasionally buy money to fund your SL habit.

So, for an extra $4 or so a month, not only do you have the guarantee of never being evicted from your land or having a landlord destroy your work - plus the land is yours to sell on should you decide to move on. Thinking logically, you get an *extra* 512 sq m as part of the premium account free to play with, which is worth $5 anyway - so in actual fact in terms of what you can get for the same money, you are actually $1 a month better off for going premium instead of renting.

The only advantage I see about renting in Dreamland or a similar 'private sim' is that there is some control over your neighbours - but is that really such a great advantage? With a little research you can find some great bargains in good locations. Sure, there's an outlay to buy the land in the first place, but remember that you can sell your own land on again should you decide to quit or move.

Unless you are wishing to rent in a themed region like Caledon, it's really false economy to rent for any period of time. Sure, it's fine for a month or so whilst you decide whether SL is the game for you or not... but long term? To log in one morning and find that your months of hard work (and possibly large sums of cash) destroyed? Renters... are you really prepared to risk losing everything, just like The Forest seem to have - for the sake of $4 a month? Security and freedom for the price of a couple of soda's?

Lewis

*chuckles* That's such a good word, Lewis

I think maybe the startup 1250$ for new sim? But then, long time owner for well known sim like the Forest shouldn't have much problem for that money.

I'm a renter too since I don't like mainland and I don't have enough money to support whole sim. But I carefully choose the owner

I too rent, and am very happy with my Landlady, Marmela Gramela Doesburg. She is a real sweetehart, has delt with me honetly, and I count her now as a friend.

Before I went into renting, I did a fair amount of research, including checking up on the customer experiences of other renters, and and looking carefully at rates and policies. I had mixed bags of opinions about most of them, and all I will say about Ansche is that her reports were about 50/50.

I only heard one person (out of many) complain about Marmela, and it turned out that that person had a bad rep with other Rental agents.

So each month I happily send my 8,400L to Marmela, I have so much confidence in her that I have spent 15,000 L on having my rental land terraformed professionally, and having a garden put in (feel free to stop by and look - it's at Spinach 95,46,302 ).

Another agent I have confidence in is Tikva Trudeau, who has some lovely island estate sims. Caveat: I have done and am doing building work for Tikva, so you may take my opinions with a grain of Salt. Come and visit her properties and talk to the folx who rent there.

In summary, if you are truly angry with Ansche, then use your economic power against her - start a boycott, refuse to deal with her, and see what happens.

My 2 Lindens worth.

I was more thinking about the individuals who rent small parcels of land, not groups requiring whole or multiple sims.

A lot of it seems to hinge around small-time renters and the personal touch, as opposed to dealing with levels of bureaucracy in huge corporations to whom you are just income, rather than a valued customer and possibly friend.

It also seems to me that when people are working together on a themed sim (such as Caledon, or the various furry areas), and the landowner is actually an integral part of the community with a personal interest in maintaining that theme, things work better than the group simply being 'another income'.

Lewis

How much traffic was it at the forest sim?

I know dwell are not the same as some months ago.. But how much income was it from dwell compared with the tier..

/Tina - EXAKT curios - I want to learn SL economy (to)

I don't know the ins and outs of this case, but I have had builds deleted by landowners, and I know how that feels .

It may be possible, and legal under the TOS as a landowner to behave like an old-time land baron and throw everyone off and delete. But it isn't a nice thing to do, and it is hard to see how delaying such an action for a day with due notice given to people to enable them to pick up their stuff, would have possibly hurt.

My sympathies are with the Furries of the Forest.
Cali

Lewis, I hear what you're saying about the mainland. I am a premium account holder and have been lobbying on and off for some time amongst furs I know to set up a mainland sim. Yes, I know there's Luskwood. They're great folks and I was considering implementing a similar 'free-for-tier' model that they use. However, there are certain understandable limitations placed on members of the Luskwood estates which forced my paw to buy land elsewhere. Otherwise I'd be a resident on the Luskwood estate as I write.

Tina, during my tenure at The Forest we were never privy to the accounts as regards Developer Incentive payments from Linden Labs based on our traffic. That said, The Forest was a medium-to-high traffic sim. The dwell payments were heavily diluted as the land group (Forest Furries) had too many members. This was another reason I set up the Forest Fans & Friends group: so that there would be a group for everyone who didn't actually need object creation rights and limit the land group to officers, tenants and traders.

Ron, I'm glad to hear that you managed to close the deal on setting up Serenity Woods. I had to log off after almost 18 hours online and it's heartening to wake up to some good news for once.

For more than one year I financed The Forest at serious loss, sponsoring one place meant for the Furry community at large.

The deletion of the content last night happened when I was not even online and can only have been done by members of the admin team, the same people who now very actively and aggressively spread the lie that I would have done it.

I would very much like Linden Lab disclose the logfiles and reveal who actually did this. It would also be appropriate to ban people from Second Life who actively try hurt other people's reputation by spreading false accusations in the community.

All this now make it more and more difficult for me to maintain this sim. I know that this is exactly what some people want: there are furs who try to destroy The Forest as one place for newbies and members of the community to play in. But people who know me also know that I don't give in to bullies. The Forest will be around for long time to come.

It CAN be cheaper. Anshe doesn't care to pass her discount on as much as some private sim owners, but it CAN be cheaper.

But, yes, renting is great if you want to have a better quality of sim. Its why I rented from AzureIslands for a while, and now CAledon, despite having a premium acount AND owning land on the mainland.

ah come on Anshee this is ridiculous, go back in your box

Seeing how I was offline when The Forest sim was wiped, I await the publication of the server logs to reveal the name of the perpetrator.

Same, I was asleep when it happened and so was Eirinn. Yiffy had just logged in after it happened and Walter was at work the whole time & didn't find out till I called him shortly after I found out (he works overnight shift at his job).

Desmond Chang (spelling?) has a set of beautiful islands. Check Caledon out.

Shang

there we go. Its 7 am here and I just got off work. No offense wa sintended.

I believe in this case Linden Lab should disclose the logs of what really happen in the sim. Obviously, everybody who has had priviledges to do so publicly stated he or she agree to have it publish. What is the point for Linden Lab to withhold the facts and allow the rumor monger and character assassinators continue?

Maybe because its an hollyday in the US and most likly only a core crew working in LL?

You took the words right outta my mouth, Pounce. It is quite likely that those Lindens who would be responsible for investigating what happened are not yet even aware of the situation. Probably won't even be at work for a few more hours yet. Also, Nicole was right in not saying what it was she observed, if anything. That is against LL policy, and could have got her in trouble.

Disclosure is disclosure, whether you invest 200,000 USD a year or have a free account.

LL is not in the habit of disclosing personal information nor commenting on disciplinary action taken.

If someone has made false accusations about you, then being the accuser, the burden of proof lies with you, not LL. They will use logs to to verify only.

It's your land. Gather your evidence, submit an Abuse Report, like everyone else.

The burden of proof is on the accuser, in this case the accuser is not Anshe, she has to prove nothing, she just has to deal with the fallout of someone accusing her without presenting any evidence. This is the exact reason why naming names on the forums is outlawed. I could make a huge post right now about some completly made up incident like "Weedy was stealing from my vendors" and get a nice big 6+ page thread going and you couldn't do anything about it. People on these forums don't care about proof, they just care about drama.
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