Lindens are gonna buy back telehub land at L$10/m -- Fair?

* eggs Lecktor on to call Chip something really vile *

*catches the egg and tosses it back with a double dog dare*

Well this is sort of true and sort of not. When content creators got screwed by the privs bug making half our goods public domain, we did yell a bit. But we calmed down and accepted it as the cost of doing business. When scriptors got screwed by SL's vulnerabilities they were hurt...REALLY bad. But they accepted it and moved on.

I think it's an acceptable question to ask why, from a customer service point of view, this issue is different. Why are landholders getting reparations when content creators where ignored?

There is a growing impression that a cooperative disposition is punished by Linden Lab, while taking out ads that say "Turn your back on Governor Linden" will be rewarded. I think it is a fair question to ask:

Next time Content Creators get screwed by Linden negligence, should we take out anti-Linden ads over at SL Herald, Metaverse Messenger, and other press sources to advocate treatment on par with landholders? Is this what the Lindens are encouraging?

I'm fine with that. I'd be equally fine if they weren't giving compensation. I honestly couldn't care less either way and I'm having a hard time figuring out why this bothers anyone... except that Anshe and Prok are likely to be getting a slice of the pie. The anti-Anshe, anti-Prok, anti-Baron routine is every bit as tired and skewed by personality conflicts as the FIC conspiracy theory was.

So, er... how does this effect anyone who didn't own hub land again?
*crickets*

It doesn't effect me at all. End of story.



Change of topic ... A linden bug made half my inventory from OCT 2004 public domain. Linden Lab, I prefer a cashier's check mailed to my address but crediting my account will also be just fine.

Hardly crickets. Let's try and bash it down to banality so you can understand it.

1. The content argument that Aimee has already admirably raised. Where is the compensation there that was NEVER asked for?

2. Anybody and everybody who ever bought land when it WAS over $20L/m

3. Personal for me I pay tier for a totally non profit tribute to all Coalition Deaths in the Iraq War that has been in SL for over 2 years. Why should I now? I should be compensated no? The memorial doesn't bling or capture new tp'ing avs. Oh, that's probably the problem it doesn't promote the capitalism that is evidently the thrust of the LL business plan now.

I agree with you. It sets a precedent that opens them up for those kinds of questions, but only when viewed from a selfish perspective (I mean that in the broad philosophical sense). When viewed from an empathic perspective it's just something nice being done for someone other than me that doesn't effect me one way or another, so why should I feel anything about it other than thinking it's nice for them? I'll go right back to not expecting anything for myself. It still comes down to luck, and if the range of random occurances expands from just "everything is normal" and "omg, I just got screwed!" to include "hey, I just found ten bucks in the street!" how is that a bad thing exactly?

Lecktor, when did you turn into a dick? Just curious.

I'm so tickled over P2P that whatever LL does for telehub owners(within reason) is fine with me. Then again if you built compelling content the world will beat a trail to your door; telehub or not.

This attitude is why I am in love with you Chip

But I am growing ever impatient with a system that rewards bad behavior. I long for the old days where residents considered themselves as much part of "the team" as any Linden. But users who do not share that worldview are getting rewarded by the Lindens for obstruction and negativity. To be honest, I don't really want the cash-o-la. I am just irritated that the Lindens are actively promoting pissy attitudes by giving them cash prizes.

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Seriously Chip, I cannot imagine this not even riling you a little bit.

BTW I've always been a dick.

PFFT! A dick maybe...but in a good way LOL.

Goddamn I couldn't have said it better because I didn't know how to verbalize it.

*thinking about it*

Ok - after the telehells, sorry hubs were dropped a lot of the loudest screamers on how unfair the new teleport system was dropped them like hotcakes, screaming all the way, if I understand the dates in place - it seems more directed at people who would have bought the land probably not knowing that scrapping the hubs MAY have been in the works..

Its a very very small amount of people that may have been left 'holding the bag' that may get a few extra bucks (and I mean a FEW in the grand scheme of things).. A one time STFU offer. I can live with that.

And considering the loudest screamers of all probably cut and ran themselves out of being elegible (bought long before or dropped like a hotcake on some unwary) - thats like icing on the cake..

I'll sit back and see what screams and yelps come from the other camp and decide later if its a big enough laugh or not.

As for me personally - I'm just glad the telehells are gone, along with the blingfest of crapfactories that surrounded them - my biz certainly went up when they instituted the new teleports - so I'm happy as a pig in shit

Siggy.

No, it doesnt necessarily mean that, however, as I noted in my correspondence with LL concerning this matter, there was a problem related to selling sims at auction for inflated cash prices, sims marketed as telehub sims, and pocketing that cash profit while at the same time developing the code to eliminate hubs. It was misrepresentation.

The offer, 10L per sq m reflects the average auction price per sq m for the telehub sims sold at auction during the time the P2P code was being developed. The dates selected for the eligible buy back time frame reflect the time when LL was actually workign in house to eliminate telehubs; it was subsequent to the decision to eliminate hubs.

Yes, hub land actually sold for a lot more than 10L sq m on the resale market, but that was a speculative inflation of price for which LL is not offering compensation in this buy back offer.

It seems LL is offering to make good on the portion of loss for which they bore direct responsibility, and I do consider this a fair offer even for members like me who lost twice the amount offered. I still bear the speculative loss for general market land value deflation similar to the loss Cris referenced concerning his land in Mavericks.

If it were me, I'd end all subsidies of any kind. Period. I'd have told the hub land owners, "them's the breaks." But it's not my world (despite what the marketing says). I don't think it's possible to have an open ended world and at the same time find systemic ways to do effective social engineering... at least ones that won't end up like all the other ones they've tried. I wouldn't have made the same decision in this case, but it just doesn't effect me, or change my expectations. I guess I'm just low maintenance. Life's too short.

....gingerly pads back into thread....

Is Katykiwi on mute or something? I found her last two posts to be rather profund, and kinda surprised they didn't ellicit any comment.

From Katy's point of few, it appears the source of this controversial decision may more likely be the work of someone like Ginsu (Legal) Linden.

Is it possible this is really just a calculated legal CYA gesture?

...pads back out & off to bed.... really this time

You are so correct here.
Therein lies the argument and disdain for this particular move.
I will be very surprised if this isn't the proverbial straw. No scratch that, I won't be surprised, but I am sticking by my decisions made tonite by LL's latest faux paux.

Usually (Sorry Lecktor! I'm cranky today).

I'm not quite sure how to feel about this. I've read through this entire thread and I find myself agreeing with both sides. I do feel that LL has always had an "Oh well, no compensation" attitude, they should keep it that way. It's like a slap in the face for those that have been here for years and have put up with losses due to MANY changes.

OTOH, they did limit the compensation to those that purchased hub land within a few months of the p2p release. The hub owners are more likely going to lose money even if they choose to sell back at 10$/m2.

So yah, kinda torn with this one.

MJ

two thumbs up LL!

this is an amazing reparation to the unfortunate residents who bought hub land shortly before the announced change to p2p.

players who've owned hub land for a while have gotten some of their investment out in enjoying the proximity to the hub for quite some time. the players who had recently bought this land are the ones that were most hurt by the change. fortunately LL has offered a respectable compensation to that group of players.

this is completely unlike the content permissions bug from last year. that was due to a bug. LL did not intend those losses for content creators. this instance was a concious and proactive decision by LL to change the infrastructure of the game such that it would devalue the land that LL had sold to players at a premium.

Please reconsider your decision not to be extremely upset about this. Precisely how doesn't matter, so long as you are upset.

If you can't get worked up about this issue despite your best efforts, you could use the forum search to find some other issue to get upset about, or perhaps remind you of something you used to be upset about and had gotten over long ago.

It is sooo annoying when people aren't upset!

pre 1.2 it was all worthless. you could get a check for 0$.