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Martin Magpie

Catherine Cotton

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12-13-2005 08:18

From: Piccadilly Metropolitan

*edited*

kettle black.

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Piccadilly Metropolitan

Bendy bus

Join date: 2 Dec 2005

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12-13-2005 08:19

From: Martin Magpie

kettle black.

Are you trying to save on keyboards?

Luciftias Neurocam

Ecosystem Design

Join date: 13 Oct 2005

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12-13-2005 08:34

From: Cienna Samiam

Don't flatter yourself. Hate requires more effort than you're worth.

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Ciera Bergman

Owner of Vitamin Ci

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12-13-2005 08:36

i just recently renamed named a LOT of my stuff in my inventory called "object" just so i could recognize what they were... thank God.

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Pendari Lorentz

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12-13-2005 08:41

From: Cienna Samiam

Don't flatter yourself. Hate requires more effort than you're worth.

He was talking to Martin.. so while I would still say this remark coming from her was bad, it would at least be somewhat justifiable. But why would *you* make this comment? It just comes across rude and mean.

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Cienna Samiam

Bah.

Join date: 13 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,316

12-13-2005 08:52

From: Pendari Lorentz

He was talking to Martin.. so while I would still say this remark coming from her was bad, it would at least be somewhat justifiable. But why would *you* make this comment? It just comes across rude and mean.

The post quoting Martin also contained an item directed at me, to wit:

From: LF

Yes, I knew there was a 90% chance of the sim coming back with all my stuff. It still shouldn't have happened.

Maybe get off your high horse of hating me for perhaps 30 seconds and read the rest of the thread.

In context, it was in response to my pointing out that, should backups fail, he's SoL and being SoL we can thank the new ToS for... the last comment may or may not have been directed at me. I merely pointed out that, if it were directed at me, not to worry, as hate predicates a willingness to vest effort and he had not demonstrated anything that would mean he was worth the effort.

As for mean and rude, let's just say he gives as good as he gets and leave it at that.

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Piccadilly Metropolitan

Bendy bus

Join date: 2 Dec 2005

Posts: 100

12-13-2005 09:23

From: Pendari Lorentz

He was talking to Martin.. so while I would still say this remark coming from her was bad, it would at least be somewhat justifiable. But why would *you* make this comment? It just comes across rude and mean.

If you think that's bad, look at this:

*edited*

Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 10,231

12-13-2005 09:28

From: Cienna Samiam

In context, it was in response to my pointing out that, should backups fail, he's SoL and being SoL we can thank the new ToS for.

Yep, if backups fail we have no recourse or compensation. How would they restore our stuff? Magic? Anyone who believes that if such a catastrophic event happened we'd be given recompense is naive. This is not new. It has been this way since day one. I really don't have a problem with it. It's the nature of the beast. I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape over a clause that LL would be insanely foolish not to have in the TOS.

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Margaret Mfume

I.C.

Join date: 30 Dec 2004

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12-13-2005 09:28

From: Piccadilly Metropolitan

If you think that's bad, look at this:

What's your problem? She wished you a nice day!

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Cienna Samiam

Bah.

Join date: 13 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,316

12-13-2005 09:37

From: Chip Midnight

Yep, if backups fail we have no recourse or compensation. How would they restore our stuff? Magic? Anyone who believes that if such a catastrophic event happened we'd be given recompense is naive. This is not new. It has been this way since day one. I really don't have a problem with it. It's the nature of the beast. I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape over a clause that LL would be insanely foolish not to have in the TOS.

Yes, Chip, I know, *edited* because heaven forfend a company should ever be responsible to YOU for losing or destroying things.

But for folks like me, the concept of equality in a contractual agreement are not alien. When I pay for something, I expect to have it and those who hold it for me are expected to take proper steps to insure its safety.

If they fail to do so and something happens to it, I expect them to either replace it exactly or, if they cannot, to compensate me for fair market value of the item.

In this case, 'fair market value' would be either the $L cost of the item or the $USD cost of the item OR a reasonable approximation of lost $L revenue for the item.

I fully understand you don't mind being fucked over. I do.

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Cienna Samiam

Bah.

Join date: 13 Mar 2005

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12-13-2005 09:40

From: Piccadilly Metropolitan

If you think that's bad, look at this:

Oh that's not bad, toostie. If you'd like to see bad, keep on whining.

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Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

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12-13-2005 09:43

From: Cienna Samiam

I fully understand you don't mind being fucked over. I do.

Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

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Jacqueline Trudeau

Nogoodnik

Join date: 9 Jul 2005

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12-13-2005 09:46

I was wandering around a bit last night before the lockout. Actually, I thought the aesthetics of a lot of SL was markedly improved.

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Ricky Zamboni

Private citizen

Join date: 4 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,080

12-13-2005 09:48

From: Chip Midnight

Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

Big difference. WoW says the sword doesn't belong to you. LL says your content is your property.

Cienna Samiam

Bah.

Join date: 13 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,316

12-13-2005 09:53

From: Chip Midnight

Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

Look, I can't help that you don't see or understand the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, to turn your phrase back to you, go on and have a hissy fit because you don't understand how the world works. Your hobby of pretending to knowledge while demonstrating profound ignorance does have some amusement quality.

P.S.: Thanks also for acknowledging that with the new ToS, LL is basically nothing more than a game... albeit it with piss-poor performance, little to no data security, counter-intuitive toolsets, and underwhelming service.

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Gabe Lippmann

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12-13-2005 09:54

From: Ricky Zamboni

Big difference. WoW says the sword doesn't belong to you. LL says your content is your property.

They also say they're not responsible for losing/deleting/stealing/maiming/killing your SL property.

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Gabe Lippmann

"Phone's ringing, Dude."

Join date: 14 Jun 2004

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12-13-2005 09:57

From: Cienna Samiam

P.S.: Thanks also for acknowledging that with the new ToS, LL is basically nothing more than a game... albeit it with piss-poor performance, little to no data security, counter-intuitive toolsets, and underwhelming service.

Can you guys explain why you even bother? Why be involved in something that so clearly agitates?

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April Firefly

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Join date: 3 Aug 2004

Posts: 1,253

12-13-2005 09:58

From: Chip Midnight

Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

/clap

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The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?

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Obscuro Valkyrie

SL's Resident Vampyre

Join date: 22 Oct 2003

Posts: 72

12-13-2005 10:01

DINGO ATE MY SIMS

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Gabe Lippmann

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12-13-2005 10:09

From: Obscuro Valkyrie

DINGO ATE MY SIMS

Well, cripes, Robbie needs a lot of energy to create those cool ass drums. I couple sims washed down with a Negra Modelo and he should be fueled up nicely.

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Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 10,231

12-13-2005 10:27

From: Ricky Zamboni

Big difference. WoW says the sword doesn't belong to you. LL says your content is your property.

No, Ricky. You own the IP rights, not the digital assets themselves. There's a huge difference. LL doesn't own the game Tringo. Kermitt does. But Kermitt does not own the assets related to Tringo that exist in SL. If LL started to market a Tringo game, Kermitt would have grounds for compensation. If SL blows up and all the Tringo boards and scripts go poof, he is not entitled to any compensation.

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Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

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12-13-2005 10:28

From: Cienna Samiam

Look, I can't help that you don't see or understand the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And I can't help that you've turned into Prok 2: The Sequel.

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Killian Lagerlof

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Join date: 27 Nov 2005

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12-13-2005 10:41

From: someone

If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking

i guess nobody else found this as funny as i did

lol gg ubersmacker.

Phoenix Psaltery

Ninja Wizard

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 2,599

12-13-2005 11:14

From: Cienna Samiam

Look, I can't help that you don't see or understand the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

From: Chip Midnight

And I can't help that you've turned into Prok 2: The Sequel.

Oooooh!! Are you accepting bids for the movie rights?

P2

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Harlequin Salome

Honor Above All.

Join date: 9 Jul 2005

Posts: 55

12-13-2005 11:19

*hurridly begins sketches of a Sword of Ubersmacking*

I soooo want to build this now.

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Martin Magpie Catherine Cotton Join date: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,826	12-13-2005 08:18 From: Piccadilly Metropolitan edited kettle black. _____________________
Piccadilly Metropolitan Bendy bus Join date: 2 Dec 2005 Posts: 100	12-13-2005 08:19 From: Martin Magpie kettle black. Are you trying to save on keyboards?
Luciftias Neurocam Ecosystem Design Join date: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 742	12-13-2005 08:34 From: Cienna Samiam Don't flatter yourself. Hate requires more effort than you're worth. </tiresome>
Ciera Bergman Owner of Vitamin Ci Join date: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 448	12-13-2005 08:36 i just recently renamed named a LOT of my stuff in my inventory called "object" just so i could recognize what they were... thank God. _____________________ Direct TP to Vitamin Ci: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hefferoo/205/145 Vitamin Ci's Blog: http://vitaminci.blogspot.com/ Shop Vitamin Ci Online (Onrez): http://shop.onrez.com/Ciera_Bergman
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	12-13-2005 08:41 From: Cienna Samiam Don't flatter yourself. Hate requires more effort than you're worth. He was talking to Martin.. so while I would still say this remark coming from her was bad, it would at least be somewhat justifiable. But why would you make this comment? It just comes across rude and mean. _____________________ hugs everyone
Cienna Samiam Bah. Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,316	12-13-2005 08:52 From: Pendari Lorentz He was talking to Martin.. so while I would still say this remark coming from her was bad, it would at least be somewhat justifiable. But why would you make this comment? It just comes across rude and mean. The post quoting Martin also contained an item directed at me, to wit: From: LF Yes, I knew there was a 90% chance of the sim coming back with all my stuff. It still shouldn't have happened. Maybe get off your high horse of hating me for perhaps 30 seconds and read the rest of the thread. In context, it was in response to my pointing out that, should backups fail, he's SoL and being SoL we can thank the new ToS for... the last comment may or may not have been directed at me. I merely pointed out that, if it were directed at me, not to worry, as hate predicates a willingness to vest effort and he had not demonstrated anything that would mean he was worth the effort. As for mean and rude, let's just say he gives as good as he gets and leave it at that. _____________________ Just remember, they only care about you when you're buying sims.
Piccadilly Metropolitan Bendy bus Join date: 2 Dec 2005 Posts: 100	12-13-2005 09:23 From: Pendari Lorentz He was talking to Martin.. so while I would still say this remark coming from her was bad, it would at least be somewhat justifiable. But why would you make this comment? It just comes across rude and mean. If you think that's bad, look at this: edited
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	12-13-2005 09:28 From: Cienna Samiam In context, it was in response to my pointing out that, should backups fail, he's SoL and being SoL we can thank the new ToS for. Yep, if backups fail we have no recourse or compensation. How would they restore our stuff? Magic? Anyone who believes that if such a catastrophic event happened we'd be given recompense is naive. This is not new. It has been this way since day one. I really don't have a problem with it. It's the nature of the beast. I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape over a clause that LL would be insanely foolish not to have in the TOS. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Margaret Mfume I.C. Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,492	12-13-2005 09:28 From: Piccadilly Metropolitan If you think that's bad, look at this: What's your problem? She wished you a nice day! _____________________ hush
Cienna Samiam Bah. Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,316	12-13-2005 09:37 From: Chip Midnight Yep, if backups fail we have no recourse or compensation. How would they restore our stuff? Magic? Anyone who believes that if such a catastrophic event happened we'd be given recompense is naive. This is not new. It has been this way since day one. I really don't have a problem with it. It's the nature of the beast. I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape over a clause that LL would be insanely foolish not to have in the TOS. Yes, Chip, I know, edited because heaven forfend a company should ever be responsible to YOU for losing or destroying things. But for folks like me, the concept of equality in a contractual agreement are not alien. When I pay for something, I expect to have it and those who hold it for me are expected to take proper steps to insure its safety. If they fail to do so and something happens to it, I expect them to either replace it exactly or, if they cannot, to compensate me for fair market value of the item. In this case, 'fair market value' would be either the $L cost of the item or the $USD cost of the item OR a reasonable approximation of lost $L revenue for the item. I fully understand you don't mind being fucked over. I do. _____________________ Just remember, they only care about you when you're buying sims.
Cienna Samiam Bah. Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,316	12-13-2005 09:40 From: Piccadilly Metropolitan If you think that's bad, look at this: Oh that's not bad, toostie. If you'd like to see bad, keep on whining. _____________________ Just remember, they only care about you when you're buying sims.
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	12-13-2005 09:43 From: Cienna Samiam I fully understand you don't mind being fucked over. I do. Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Jacqueline Trudeau Nogoodnik Join date: 9 Jul 2005 Posts: 171	12-13-2005 09:46 I was wandering around a bit last night before the lockout. Actually, I thought the aesthetics of a lot of SL was markedly improved. _____________________ http://trudeauyachts.wordpress.com
Ricky Zamboni Private citizen Join date: 4 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,080	12-13-2005 09:48 From: Chip Midnight Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess. Big difference. WoW says the sword doesn't belong to you. LL says your content is your property.
Cienna Samiam Bah. Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,316	12-13-2005 09:53 From: Chip Midnight Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess. Look, I can't help that you don't see or understand the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, to turn your phrase back to you, go on and have a hissy fit because you don't understand how the world works. Your hobby of pretending to knowledge while demonstrating profound ignorance does have some amusement quality. P.S.: Thanks also for acknowledging that with the new ToS, LL is basically nothing more than a game... albeit it with piss-poor performance, little to no data security, counter-intuitive toolsets, and underwhelming service. _____________________ Just remember, they only care about you when you're buying sims.
Gabe Lippmann "Phone's ringing, Dude." Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 4,219	12-13-2005 09:54 From: Ricky Zamboni Big difference. WoW says the sword doesn't belong to you. LL says your content is your property. They also say they're not responsible for losing/deleting/stealing/maiming/killing your SL property. _____________________ go to Nocturnal Threads
Gabe Lippmann "Phone's ringing, Dude." Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 4,219	12-13-2005 09:57 From: Cienna Samiam P.S.: Thanks also for acknowledging that with the new ToS, LL is basically nothing more than a game... albeit it with piss-poor performance, little to no data security, counter-intuitive toolsets, and underwhelming service. Can you guys explain why you even bother? Why be involved in something that so clearly agitates? _____________________ go to Nocturnal Threads
April Firefly Idiosyncratic Poster Join date: 3 Aug 2004 Posts: 1,253	12-13-2005 09:58 From: Chip Midnight Then I guess you must not participate in any MMOG's at all since they're all the same way. If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking do you think you're going to be compensated for it? But carry on having your hissy fits that the world doesn't work the way you think it should, because it never has, and never will. Everyone needs a hobby I guess. /clap _____________________ From: Billybob Goodliffe the truth is overrated From: Argent Stonecutter The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better? Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
Obscuro Valkyrie SL's Resident Vampyre Join date: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 72	12-13-2005 10:01 DINGO ATE MY SIMS _____________________ "I will be immortal until the day I die"
Gabe Lippmann "Phone's ringing, Dude." Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 4,219	12-13-2005 10:09 From: Obscuro Valkyrie DINGO ATE MY SIMS Well, cripes, Robbie needs a lot of energy to create those cool ass drums. I couple sims washed down with a Negra Modelo and he should be fueled up nicely. _____________________ go to Nocturnal Threads
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	12-13-2005 10:27 From: Ricky Zamboni Big difference. WoW says the sword doesn't belong to you. LL says your content is your property. No, Ricky. You own the IP rights, not the digital assets themselves. There's a huge difference. LL doesn't own the game Tringo. Kermitt does. But Kermitt does not own the assets related to Tringo that exist in SL. If LL started to market a Tringo game, Kermitt would have grounds for compensation. If SL blows up and all the Tringo boards and scripts go poof, he is not entitled to any compensation. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	12-13-2005 10:28 From: Cienna Samiam Look, I can't help that you don't see or understand the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I can't help that you've turned into Prok 2: The Sequel. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Killian Lagerlof Registered User Join date: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 23	12-13-2005 10:41 From: someone If WoW has a server glitch and loses your +20 sword of ubersmacking i guess nobody else found this as funny as i did lol gg ubersmacker.
Phoenix Psaltery Ninja Wizard Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,599	12-13-2005 11:14 From: Cienna Samiam Look, I can't help that you don't see or understand the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. From: Chip Midnight And I can't help that you've turned into Prok 2: The Sequel. Oooooh!! Are you accepting bids for the movie rights? P2 _____________________
Harlequin Salome Honor Above All. Join date: 9 Jul 2005 Posts: 55	12-13-2005 11:19 hurridly begins sketches of a Sword of Ubersmacking I soooo want to build this now.

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