Gor? Ageplay? Miniscule crap. THIS group needs to go.

My God, the moral majority needs their own category on these forums!

I am by no means in favor of beastiality, but some of you folks have just got to live and let live in this fantasy land of Second Life. Unless you happen to port in on one of them doing his or her fantasy dog/horse/sheep/insert-pet-du-jour-here, what does it matter?

So beastiality is a misdemeanor? Shooting and killing people is a much greater offense and no one gripes about getting rid of that here--at least, not with so much zeal.

Just chill.

this gives animal lover a WHOLE NEW MEANING!

A shovel is a tool for lifting and moving loose material such as coal, gravel, snow, soil, or sand. It is usually a hand tool consisting of a broad blade with edges or sides that is fixed to a medium-length handle. The term "shovel" is also applied to larger excavating machines, such as steam shovels, which are designed for the same purpose—lifting and moving material.

Hand shovels have been adapted for many different tasks and environments. They can be optimized for a single task or designed as cross-over or compromise tools to perform multiple tasks. For example: A coal shovel typically has a wide, flat blade with steeply turned sides, a flat face and a short D-shaped handle. A snowshovel often has a very wide sideless blade that curves upward attached to a long, straight handle. It is designed as much for pushing the snow as for lifting it. A spade is designed primarily for breaking up ("spading" clumps of soil. A spade usually has a point and is designed to be pushed into the soil with a foot. Spade blades usually have a rounded face without sharply upturned sides. A gardening trowel is a small single-hand implement for breaking up clumps in soil. Gardening trowels typically have strong, narrow blades with sharp points.
An entrenching tool is a collapsible shovel designed for the military. It may have a spade-like point or even serrated edges for secondary use as an axe. Some militaries of the world (most notably units of the Soviet Union) train their servicemen to use entrenching shovel as a makeshift close combat weapon. This tactic has been widely used in the battlefields of the World War II.

Toy shovels are common playthings on sandy beaches or in sandboxes.

Speaking of which, Scruffles has been missing for 2 days! Maybe he's joined the group.

Yeah. I'm so sure this is a real group. I'm *sure* it wasn't just a group created for lulz. That couldn't be it. No way.

Bestiality is extremely rare. And I'm so sure that those few who were into it would just you know, publically advertise. And recruit!

Next we'll see a "Pedophiles who like classic cars!" group. Or maybe "Active Rapists who enjoy cognac - join today!"

I gotta admit though, what are we at, 6 pages of lolio now? Pretty good. Gotta get that last sprint in before the forums go down.

It was a joke, to get lols, to fuel the forum post you're in right now.

1) Create SHOCKING! group.
2) Get all your chucklenuts buddies to join under their alts with lawl names.
3) Post an OMGLOOKWHATIFOUND! on the forums.
4) View responses.
5) Wank.



They didn't.



Um, actually, yes.



Abrupt segue, nice tangent.



And, we top it with a Nazi cherry.

I think you mean forty-nine minors.

Okay. But, what about sex with insects?


Well!!

Insects have foot fetishes. They usually end up under my boot.

Ok let me ask you all (and the Lindens by extension):
In real life, is it illegal to shoot people?
Is it illegal to confine them and physically abuse and mistreat them?
Is it illegal to engage in prostitution, or the solicitation of sex for money?

Is it illegal to own another person???

Hmmm, these are all common occurrences in SL, and yet barely raise an eyebrow.

No, I am not saying that two wrongs make a right, I am saying that the laws about conduct in RL do NOT apply to SL, except those that specifically target online activities like impersonating a child, online stalking, etc...

This is NOT a legal issue in the way that some ppl have tried to portray it. Nor is it an issue of right and wrong - the Lindens have made it very clear that they do not want to be in the business of policing ethics. Even though they have been known to do so on occasion...

The fact is that this group violated the ToS in posting pronographic pics in their profile. All the rest is hand wringing and speculation. The Lindens were within their rights to shut it down or change it to come in line with the ToS.

But, as usual, I am distrubed by the discussion on this forum from ppl who look down from some imaginary moral high-ground, trying to dictate what is right and wrong for others. Talking about bestiality on SL, and even RPing it there, is not wrong, even if it offends some peoples sensibilities, and even if it is illegal in some places in RL. Just as talking about sucking the blood out of someone's neck, or shooting them, is not wrong in SL. Talking about bestiality is not inciting hatred or racism.

and don't even get me STARTED on where we would draw the lines between animals and furries in SL - it is NOT a clear cut distinction at all, and the anthropomorphism of furries does not make them human, at least not fully human. Are we all going to campaign for an end to human/furry fraternization??

Don't Ask, Don't Tell!! Please!!

I dont agree with the practice; but where ya been?! Thats been going on here for as long as I can remember.

*rolls eyes*

Delicious, and whoever else it was asked about this, I think it was the fact, as others pointed out, that it said "in real life" on their profile.

And from a quick look on the internet, it looks like bestiality is a misdemeanor in California. Which means the group would be advocate law-breaking in real life. (Rather than just role-playing it.)

As I said earlier, you can role-play murder, but you can't advocate murder irl, either.

On the other hand, I noticed last night that ALL the beastiality groups were poofed, including those that said nothing about in real life, and it seemed to happen too quickly for all the groups' various founders to get on and hide their groups.

So . . . who knows.

coco

I didn't think the picture was pornographic. The doggie was just giving the nice lady a hug.

Dearly Darling Mr. J,

In doggie lingo that still would not have been a "hug." It would have been called a dominance display...and that is still inappropriate behavior for a dog to exhibit to any human. Most little dogs do the leg humping thing...I'm sure most of you have seen that...dominance display. Believe it or not, that is the dog's way of telling you it is the boss of the pack. You should also not allow your dog to walk in front of you on lead either. That tells the dog it's the Alpha in your family pack. It's just how dogs think. And that is why many people can't get their family pets to be nice companion animals--the dogs don't think they have to obey. I do a great deal of training with dogs that have had behavioral problems because of this. Most of the time after a class or two the owners get the drift of dog mind speak and never have another problem. That makes me happy because it's one less animal in the animal shelter waiting for death.

This made me howl! (sorry. that pun hurt even me...)

Milk shot out of my nose... and I'm drinking KoolAid!

I may have to insinuate "do not want" into my vocabulary...

Very funny.

man, you totally killed my joke.

damn you! now I can't see it. why the hell do you self-righteous people have to interfere in someone else's business.

Dearly Darling,

The picture in question was clearly outside of the rules for Community Standards. As a big supporter of the dog fancy anything I see that may construe animal abuse I will not tolerate. If this had been a child I would have also objected. The only reason I saw this was someone IMed me asking, "What breed is this Mrs. Showdog Tiger?" I was not amused. I do not like pornography of any type.

I promise the remainder of your life on planet earth will not be denegrated because you did not see the picture.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

I thought Mrs. Showdog Tiger was wrong on this one. I went to the page after Guy Linden told me where it was...the ol' dog's right.

Tem

that's a valid point. On the other hand, can i say in my profile that in real life i am a drow elf, or that i like to be killed and resurrected on the altar of my Goddess Akasha? If the SL character is fictitious, then comments about RL in the profile can be considered fictitious too.

The fact is that many people find bestiality objectionable and offensive. I get that. To be honest, I am one of them. But saying in the profile of a made-up SL character that you like to diddle canines in RL can hardly be considered illegal or "wrong" in any absolute sense. Fact is, in a free society, you can SAY anything you like, as long as it does not actively seek to convince others to commit a crime or a racist act. Describing what you like, or fantasize about, or even what you do, is not wrong. Trying to convince others to do likewise is...

The person that founded this group is my ingame partner. It was started in order to be provocative, and for no other reason, but there was obviously enough interest in the subject of bestiality that membership grew. I didn't read the profiles of the people in the group, so I am not sure what they said in their profiles, and whether or not it was wrong.

However, that is an issue for the Lindens to deal with at the individual, not group level. If every group that had a member with an objectionable profile were shut down, we would quickly have far fewer groups. In this case, the language and images used by the group were clearly in violation of community standards, but let's all be honest about how often that is true in SL. The Lindens took action within their rights to do so. Fair enough.

But the moral posturing of some people on these forums is what i find objectionable - far more than people who like to talk about sex with animals.

and i didn't mean you Coconut
your comments have all seemed thoughtful and balanced....

hehe

Do any of those types of groups talk about doing such acts in real life? No. Your logic is flawed due to the "all in RL" part at the end of the group description. Trying to argue that a group about killing people on some dumb online program is equal to a group talking about raping animals in real life is just plain stupid.




lol



I must have missed the group on SL that discusses killing people in real life.



Michi Lumin, top conspiracy theorist.