Interesting SL Herald article about the grid crash/goons/w-hat

conjunction junction whats your function

tension breaker, well done!

Nope.

However, if anyone attends this "shadow" meeting, then brings grief to me, or a mentor.....expect an AR.

What shadow meeting? Are you talking about where he said that he supposed it wouldn't help to have a discussion meeting? (Like all his open discussion meetings he has all the time, on all topics?)

Where you see. "advocating a conspiracy of defamation against myself and the mentors group in SL," I see different opinions on how the mentors group should work, where they should be, what perks they should get, what responsibilities they should have, what qualifications are required, and so on and so on.

And certainly, and not the least, how much power they should get over other players, or, more accurately, how much power they actually DO get over other players.

"Defamation" could well amount to a person simply saying they don't like something about the mentors group, that there are corrupt people in it, or any number of other criticisms.

Are people not allowed to discuss or express those views, without theat of being AR'd and banned?

As for, "if anyone attends this shadow meeting, and then brings grief to me or a mentor . . . expect an AR," I would ask, how do you define grief?

Is grief disagreeing with the way the mentors group is set up, how it works, what benefits it gets, or any aspect of it whatsoever? Is grief defined as daring to speak out at ALL?

Seems to me it is important to be able to discuss the mentors group. Not just on the SLH, but - more importantly, on here, and without being afraid that by doing so, you will be AR'd and ultimately banned from the game.

People do have different ideas about things. The mentor group is ALL of ours, and we ALL get to have opinions on it.

Do we get to speak about it, or don't we?

coco

Nobody suggested you can't discuss anything.

That posted comment was a blatant personal attack on me and mentors.

Strike that. I don't think we are supposed to talk about things like that.

coco

P.S. I'm not attacking mentors; never HAVE attacked mentors. Why would I want to attack mentors? I do, however, have opinions on the program and how it works, and how any proposed changes to it, and why those changes might be bad ones.

And I want to be able to discuss these ideas - in a meeting, on the SL boards, or on the SLH - with a minimum of fear of reprisal. If there were such a meeting, I would attend it, and I wouldn't consider it "shadow" or conspiratorial. And I will continue to give my views on all facets of things which interest me, including whether or not mentors should be given an island where newbies have to check in before entering the rest of the game, and no one else can go there.

Sheesh, I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was referring to the SLH posted comment.

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OK, sorry - I had at first asked if that was the comment you meant (mine), then struck that, thinking we couldn't talk about things, then went back and talked about it anyway, lol.

I'll look at it again to see what you meant.

coco

This is one of the big flaws in SA "philosophy" though. They enjoy human suffering and think all that awful shit is "funny" so they assume (as they must to justify their idiocy) that everyone else is the same, when they are not.

Lots of folks dont slow down at car wrecks to look at the carnage, lots of other folks slow down because they want to see if they can help. It isn't "human nature" to be interested in death and humiliation. The "nature," argument is just the last defense of those unable to discern or elucidate any reason for their actions.

Until you can appreciate these facts (as facts) your world view will likely stay pretty much the same, (innacurate, immature etc.), but then you like it that way I am sure.

Huns, I got reamed for my first few threads. I did read the rules prior to posting. I also, as I have stated, was contacted by generally kind people via SL and told a few things not to do (which I very much appreciate)

But these issues were not in the forum rules. More troubling than that, when I go to the page and see who has been banned and for what, I am even more perplexed. Some are easy to figure out, but others just seem rather random, and not that much different than posts that are applauded

Is there a SA FIC? I wouldn't dare post this question in SA forums as it would seem to be a ban worthy question (or at least a focal point for flame rage).

One of the pieces of advice I was given in SL about SA forum bans was this



This is bothersome, as almost all of the people in the list of bans on the SA forums don't violate any posted rules and they seem rather arbitrary in the majority of cases.

Is it possible that Lordfly was correct when he said "it's in their best interests to ban you at random because it costs you ten bucks to get another account?"

I am just confused. Now $10 is not a lot of money, but it is a huge amount of money when it concerns forums, as there is not a shortage of forums on the net. I enjoy much (not all) of what I see in SA forums, but it is an impossible cross reference fest trying to figure what everything means. Is there a definitive thread that will address this or do I have to read the millions of posts and try to piece them altogether?

And maybe Lordfly would be better to answer this next question, but maybe not. What is pattern that dictates whether it is probation, ban, or permaban. Has Lordfly been put on probation before, or is that not even needed to go right to ban status? He had an atitude for sure, but I think that a ban was a bit harsh in that case, and I think I was a bit more beligerent then him in that thread but I escaped any kind of forum instituted "punishment" (although, of course I was flamed to hell and back a few times).

And if someone flames me, is responding in kind gonna get me probation if the person I retaliated against escapes unscathed? As a logical person, I am completely confused by the seemingly random enforcement I have seen thus far.

I like the forums, but I am not likely gonna pay $10 a month to get un banned if my forum name is the same as the mods triple word score in scrabble.

And even though I directed this to Huns, I would appreciate any other input from longtime SA regulars.

OK. Since that was my case he was referring to, I will refrain from discussing it further at this point.

However, I would like to point out that the SLH is not under the auspices of LL, any more than Cristiano's SLU, or Brace's blog, or SA, or MM, or any of the other outlet of info we read. Nor should they be. That is what the notion of free press is about.

coco

Well, I am assuming you are a girl irl. And men bond differently than women. For instance, females hug and say nice things to each other. Men sock each other in the arm and call each other a myriad of insulting demeaning names. Believe it or not, this is the way a large majority of men show affection to each other. It is a locker room thing, not saying it is right or wrong, but that is the way men work together. Immature, sure, but what does maturity actually get you in an informal sense?

I have yet to see the "funny" dead baby posts or human suffering posts, but SA forums are a huge site so I just not be lurking in the right areas. I do see people insult and demean each other, but much of that seems to be of the variety I mentioned above, showing affection in a "manly" way. It seems to be a very male site, although there are a handful of (supposedly) female posters as well

If you want to look at death and suffering, ogrish.com and rotten.com exist. I am curious, are you a member of SA forums Dianne, or are you making an assumption when you say "They enjoy human suffering and think all that awful shit is 'funny'"

I ask, because you have made an assumption towards me when you said "you like it that way I am sure"

For someone with such a vested interest in facts, your post seems to lack even 1 fact. Please clarify without the backhanded insults so I can respond directly.

The SA forums are just a money pit in my opinion, don't feed the machine... pay $10, get banned by a random someone, pay another $10, get banned again...

=X

When I was told about rotten.com, I got up the nerve to look at it, KNOWING that I wanted to see the gore.

What I was surprised about was any interestingness of the gore was overwhelmed by pity. People who work with the dead, paramedics and such, probably know exactly what I'm talking about. It turns out not to be so much gory and interesting as it is just very sad. (Though it is still interesting.)

coco

the rotten library is actually very fascinating. check it out

http://www.rotten.com/library/

its not a photo gallery (for the most part), it is oddly enough, a reference manual of sorts

and for pure gore, ogrish.com makes rotten.com look like a disney movie

if they were beheaded on video, you will find it there

and thats just the terrorist section. i can't handle ogrish

One of my fave articles is the Tetris one.

(For some reason both rotten.com and SLuniverse.com are down for me right now. Hrmph.

The best advice I can give you comes down to two things. #1, lurk. It's the best way to figure out how the SA forums work. Scanning the SAClopedia is also a pretty good idea. #2, be willing to just let shit go. Few things are considered as annoying as a FNG signing up and making a lot of noise and generally attracting attention to himself. If someone flames you and you have to respond, keep in mind that flamewars are restricted to a single forum. (But don't post there - no one wants to hear about it anyway, guaranteed.) People who are considered too argumentative, or who keep posting to continue arguments with others, tend to get run over in this system. (Except in Debate & Discussion, they love to argue there - but they actually debate, rather than just calling each other f*gs all day.)

Oh yeah, one more thing: Occam's Razor. Never say in 100 words what you can say in 15. No one wants to read a 10-paragraph post detailing just exactly why you think xyz - type up the Cliff's Notes instead. This is also the reason why there is a low amount of tolerance for people who get too argumentative - no one wants to read a long string of posts in which two people are arguing.

I was banned outright. No probation. I imagine the vague threat somewhere in that thread was directed at me and the other griefing kids, but it's not like they follow a code of conduct there or even needed a reason to ban.

If you think the Lindens arbitrarily ban people, just sign up for a SA account and see how long you last.

I dropped my ten bucks a year ago because I found some of the stuff funny on the main site. The forums are, and always have been in my opinion, a fucking wasteland. Even worse than here.

It's Usenet for retards.

No offense to you, Huns; you can actually form a sentence without a dead fetus picture popping up

LF

On the SA forums, you get banned for being an idiot, probation for doing something kind of stupid, and a perma ban for being an immense idiot, for a long time. With a ban, you can re-register, with a perma ban you cannot.

I was banned for becoming militantly anti-pedophile after the first pedophile hunt. I posted way too much and started acting like an idiot in threads that were kinda-sorta related. That was a couple of years ago. I understand why I got the ban and I haven't been banned since.

Prior to that, I avoided SA for years for the same reasons many people have mentioned in this thread, but all of that turned out to be completely untrue. The mods run a tight enough ship to ensure that idiocy doesn't happen. Ironically, those same moderating methods get touted as "bad" aspects of the forums... it's a strange cycle.

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BrainParasite posted: IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO SIGN YOUR POSTS HERE

Lordfly posted: In Second Life, people get angry if someone crashes the grid. In the Something Awful forums, people get angry if you sign your post. THE HORROR.

Death Himself: I think it's less about getting mad, and more about you not getting probationed by a passing mod. I know that's unlikely, but it's still a pointless thing to add to your replies since your name is right there anyway. Also, stop posting now.

Lordfly posted: (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Well that doesn't seem too hard to understand.

So I was to stop posting altogether, in all threads, forever?

Isn't that the same as a ban?

LF

I think it was supposed to be a suggestion in your best interest to stop posting for a bit and cool off somewhere else. Like GBS.

I looked and there are only two W-hat's who are mentors, I'm one of them.