Should the "Impeach Bush" Guy's freedom of expression be surpressed/censored?

hehe

coco

P.S. No, Chris, I wasn't saying that.

What were you saying then? Besides the obvious.

Besides the forest and trees part?

Just to say that the Lindens last decree isn't set in stone; that I think they are missing the forest for the trees, too; and when and if they see it as a forest, they will act.

coco

Will you leave if they don't act? If tehy come out tomorrow and say "we said it once, we meant it, and we aren't changing our minds?" What happens then?

Continue pushing for change. I never much held to "Love it or leave it" or "My country right or wrong" cop outs.

What I would like to see in SL is something analagous to the way restrictions on what you can do with you land vary in the US. I think it would be nice to have "city" type areas with stricter regulations and "county" type areas where there are no regulations. I understand that there are privately owned zoned sims (and a few Linden sims that are zoned), but they don't seem to be meeting the community's needs at the moment. I certainly don't want zoning regulations applied to the entire grid.

Exactly, thus theere is no real loss of business risk, except for a small decline in tier, and you will continue to play and pay. Thus there is no need to counter-balance the right to use land we own in any way that does not violate the tos with the possible economic harm from mass defections.

Chances are if you like SL and get SL, then going somewhere else is not going to float your boat. You may not like one aspect, but overall the expereince is not worth throwing the baby out with the bath water. So in your hard you have already acquiesced your principles and know that these sings are a pain, but they are endurable. Like most you will simnply go on in SL inspite of this, and maybe you will grow tired of debating this in the forums and ultimately, it will fade.

Who administers this? Who is willing to administer this? Who pays for it?

Linden Labs would administer this. And why would it have to be paid for?

Jake, you certainly have a strange view of this. But first, Robin has reiterated their stand in the hotline, and suggested that working ontools to manage neighborhoods is their hopeful fix for this.

For my part, I also saw the tools for zoning as the ray of hope, and have put my efforts towards having a say in these tools.

Back to your post - I have seen you pummeling people throughout this about why they don't just just leave then. Apparently your point is that the signs are "endurable." And that if you don't leave, you have already "acquiesced your principles."

But it isn't a simple on/off switch. These things add up and cause people to tier down (not me), become less enthusiastic to their friends (me), or just kind of more jaded, having less fun, and drifting away.

Yeah, I'm not going to move out of my house because the basement leaks and the landlord won't do anything about it. But if the basement leaks, and the roof leaks, and the plumbing sucks, and the landlord raises the rent, well . . .

And by the way, there's nothing special to "getting" SL. We just aren't all that uber.

coco

Now, that you have asked, I have to admit I start my day and end my day flying around near all the 500 blue signs just to make my feel miserable and see how bad SL has become.

(Joke )



While possible, I would find it highly unlikely if a 'client filter' couldn't be implemented. A filter that downloads the bad textures and objects, too, but on the client side decides that's it's junk, and NOT to be displayed.

I wish one of the impeach bush group people would make a big group land and then we could just bribe Jeska with Sparklies to move all blue signs there.

If there was a good zoning system in SL (for most mainland sims, too), it would certainly help! But yes, it still leaves the question of 'who's the king on this land' open.

I'm actually thinking maybe kingdoms would be the way to go. A dozen of sims could have one king, and if it turns out you don't like your king, you can move out to another! In all other matters, the king has the final say

Hmm... now I just have to find a nice and justiceful king

I noticed that Robin has posted in response to some Second Life Answers threads - I think it was in response to Crucial's post.

There will be no action with regard to the signs, apparently, save for new sims with 'covenants'.

Thus, unless the scope of the problem grows by a factor of ten or something, I think the discussion is over.



Look to rent at my island sim in the near future - I'll save you some money, provide for some decent zoning, and there won't be any sign griefing.

Those land and zoning tools will be only for new sims? I thought she said for the mainland, meaning all of it.

coco

Ah, I could be wrong on that. Not sure... in fact, it sounds like it could be rather complex.

Is this the beginning of common nation-states in Second Life?

I wonder if there will be much uncovenanted land, after such a system matures.

Whatever the case, it will be interesting

Glad to know that you give your wholehearted support to every decision the Lindens make.

"In discussion" I think was the terms used - and honestly if its inflicted upon me in a sim I already own land in - damn Skippy I'll be protesting.

Nor will I move to any sim where anyone else gets to tell me what I can and can't build within the TOS..

From what all I've heard about it (hardly anything) I doubt it would ever be inflicted on you, but rather an opt-in thing. But then, who knows.

coco

I am not hammering anyone. People have made the threats to leave over this, people have asserted thet LL will lose many residents over this, and will thus come to some demise. My point is that a singnificant amount of people aren't going to leave over this, adn will in fact stay and try other solutions, like zoning tools.

Getting SL doesn't make you uber, its just that well, SL has a narrower appeal than say, solitaire. And really its not just the best game in town for what we do with it, its the only one.

Yesh.

coco

Linden Lab is a corporation developing a platform for a dynamic, persistent, and shared virtual environment that is a many to many form of communication and exchange.

secondlife, in the form of a game, is a paid beta for developing and testing this platform.

LL is not a government. it is a service provider.

They serve as our government - judge, jury, and executioner. (With the exception of that resident panel that is compiled and consulted before a ban.) They make all law. They control all land. They provide all Lindens. They are the only government we have.

Your turn.

coco

LL owns a technology they license to us. they have a set of guidelines that we must adhere to to use their technology. land and lindens are representations of data. read the tos.

Your turn.


jauani

Does that mean if 10 people more started acting like the bush guy it would force a solution?