Should the "Impeach Bush" Guy's freedom of expression be surpressed/censored?

So if someone builds a big house on their land, and builds it in a way that I find very ugly, and it blocks some of my view, and they also put the land up for sale, it's griefing and extortion?

Come on guys, this is ridiculous. They are just signs. They aren't broadcasting anything actively and you aren't being forced to buy land. Tons of folks have ugly builds up and the land for sale, and it's the same damn thing.

I think it's that they don't want to get into the business of legislating taste. They never did anything about the Monkey Mafia gun store signs that used to be all over the place, on tiny expensive plots.

Are the signs griefing? I don't think so, except in cases where he's deliberately put one right in front of someone's window. That, I'd say, should not be tolerated. Other than that, I don't think tacky = griefing.

The signs are certainly unwanted, but I don't think worthiness/liability is determined exclusively by what other people think.

They are unnecessary, but so is everything in SL.

As for disrupting others' enjoyment, I think what is going on here is that people see his behavior as impudent, and they want to beat him at his own game. Unless he's putting it directly in front of your window, I don't find it disruptive.

according to the IQ test given by the highly reputable intelligence assessors from emode.com, my IQ is exactly 140.

He did put it directly in front of my window

Yes, it is griefing and extortion when these signs are being placed on so many lots and when the owner of those lots is putting them up for sale and charging exorbitant fees.

Do tons of folks have several identical ugly builds up on several plots of land that are for sale??? I certainly haven't heard of more than one or two, and one of those at least has the decency to make the "builds" very short in height.

Filed my first abuse report tonight, on that sign pictured above.

He has one up in the air, too, on that small plot, but when this owner complained, he put this one right down next to his house, facing his window.

If that's not griefing, I don't know what is.

Course the owner can buy that 16m piece of land for $16,000 if he wants. And that's extortion.

coco

Ahh..so your criteria is multiple identical ugly builds. So how many have to be identical before griefing and extortion occurs?

Exactly where in that second paragraph did I say that multiple identical ugly builds = griefing and extortion?

I was just pointing out that you stated that there are tons of examples of "the same damn thing" and asking you to actually provide those tons of examples. Can you actually provide examples of someone else making multiple identical ugly builds or are you just making things up?

Those hideous trees that are just two rectangular prims that cross at right angles.

Also bushes.

Sure can - Ansche Chung put these identical lil builds all over Second Life - jacked the price up on the land too... and a bit of 'terrorforming' thrown into the mix.

The forum community screamed murder too - cried extortion and all that.

Nothing was done about it though.

Maybe its still in the forum archives somewhere - go have a look, you'll see it just as I told it.

Some (me) would put the Linden trees in the category of ugly builds.

I thought they already had.

Am I right in thinking that certain griefer builds of giant Nazi symbols, enormous genitalia and similar 'tasteless' (although admittedly also broadly offensive to many) creations had been removed in the past?

Lewis

The Nazi build fell under the hate speech provisions of the TOS, and the giant genatalia coincides with not allowing display of openly visible sexual content, even in mature sims - the content must be inside another build.

So how come the signs don't come under this 'hate speech' clause, since most of the US and most of the rest of the world seem to hate Bush?

Or is it, as I have already speculated, overlooked because the statement on the signs happens to fit in with the viewpoint of those at LL?

Lewis

Boxes not unlike these, set up on 16m2 plots of land supporting GWB were rampant earlier in 2005, to the same complaints as now, and LL still didn't remove them. I'm afraid your speculation doesn't hold much water.

Hate speech is a clearly defined thing in the US - they are are attacks against an individual based soley upon race/ethnicity, religion, gender, or sexual orientation - to say that "Impeach Bush" is hate speech because he is a wildly unpopular leader is both a monumental (and absurd) stretch, and an insult to the actual incidents of hate speech that do occur in SL.

If I think that Bush is a dick, can the signs removed because they contain sexual content (dick) ?

BTW, who decides what's hate speech and what's not? What are the exact criteria?
^^^ OK I see this has just been answered. Okay, nevermind.

But how do you differentiate between 'hate speech' and a strong and unpopular opinion? What is offensive to one may be acceptable to another.

You may also like to remember that the world - and SL playerbase - consists of much more than just the USA, whether you like it or not, with different standards and ways of life to that which you are used to.

Lewis

That is definitely BS and he should get sanctioned for it.

Then I think the question becomes, were all these plots of land supporting GWB also for sale at exhorbitant prices?

coco

I think this is exactly what many of us are trying to point out. How can you say that LL should remove the Impeach Bush signs when they are perfectly acceptable to some and not to others? Thus the freedom to build what you want on your land as long as it is within the ToS. I may be offended by weapons, but I can't tell my SL neighbor he can't have weapons on his land. I may strongly dislike builds that use pastel colors, yet I have no right to tell others not to use them. When we start legislating taste, it will just open a whole ball of wax and might very well rebound back upon those so opposed to the freedoms that we have now.

Why does it matter? Since when can't we price our land as we wish? I sure see alot of land for sale in SL for far more than I would pay for it.

Thank you for educating me that SL is international, but your condescension does not change the fact that Linden Lab is an American company and the servers are based in the US. Hate speech is clearly defined in the US and many other countries (including many countries in Europe and also Canada and Australia), and has been integrated into the Community Standards defined the same way. Linden Lab has defined it as such for their own service - so whether you find something offensive or not is irrelevant to the enforcement of their rules.



The Impeach Bush signs in no way fall under the definition of hate speech as the signs are demanding the removal of someone from office because of their actions.

Some background on hate speech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Again, we have full rights to charge whatever we want for land, so that point is irrelevant.

The ones I remember seeing were.