Church Services (upcoming event) and some thoughts on it

Having the church be Unitarian was part of the original project proposal written months ago. Note that there is nothing about this project that requires religion to meet its goals and was only barely included because I thought it would add depth. I'm just as happy turning the church into a Burger King and keeping the city secular for the remainder of the project-management phase.

I recommend being tolerant and patient. Discuss this in world with Gwyneth and the Thinkers while we are in our project-management phase. I trust you all as a group to decide upon the direction of religion in the city. Once the city transitions to self-rule, then bring it up through official channels. If this unacceptable to you and risks your membership in this project, send me an email or a forum private message and we'll talk.

~Ulrika~

If we can have a cultural center I would love to build it and with the long weekend coming up I would have it done . I am a very good builder if I do say so myself and I would like to contribute something to the architecture.

I see it as a modern building ....any objections?

Yeah! You have to go join the guild first.

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This is fantastic! Please check out the builder's guide and let me know where you envision it going and its relative width and height. Also check the proposal page for ideas on what the modern structures should look like. Finally, we are very prim limited! Each 10 x 10 m structure can only have 25 prims for the structure, so if you're structure was 10 x 20 m, it would have a total allocation of 50 prims. This means you'll have to offload a lot of complexity to textures.

Once you decide where it's going to go, bounce it off of us and then post it to the Sign-Up Sheet thread.

~Ulrika~

What am I saying! I keep forgetting that there's a provisional government here. If I don't watch it I'm going to get in trouble with the Philosophic branch. Oh. I am that branch. *gets dizzy*

Yes. Join die Gilde and go through Kendra. I'm sure I'll hear about it through official channels!

~Ulrika~

Nope -- get a partner (journeyman or meister) in the Guild to work with, submit a plan for the build to me --we'll figure out where in the City to put it --what your prim allotment for the build should be and you can start as early we get that figured out.

Try and get me something before Wednesday though , as I'll be out of town and out of touch

it would be 10X 20 and I have very complex textures ...but I kinda see it as glass and steel...open to reflect the openess of the community towards all cultures.

I need that nutcracker animation done.

Is having a partner a requirement? haven't read up on the guild in a bit.. I don't really like building with others its kinda like a spiritual thing with me. I can build several structures and then submit them to the guild if you would like. If none are acceptable I can build several more lol...I like to build.

Can you accept working with the Gildemeister as a silent partner? I have to approve the build when you're done anyways, but knowing your work, I'm sure it will be great.

You can start as a journeyman.

You misunderstand me Talen. If Y'all want to have a religious bake-off or craft fair sure... but actual worship services that pretend to believe in everything, no. I do not believe this is even possible or acceptable unless your worshipers do not have conviction about their beliefs.

Apparently Gwyneth and Talen… I suppose it is fair to now ask if you have read the posts where I spoke about this already?


Yes, that is very nice but it is not inclusive of all religions. What about the Budhists, Muslims etc…


Christianity does not believe in excluding anyone from worship in case you were unaware of that fact.

TY for the invitation to use that church. I do appreciate it. I will give some thought to actually finding an ordained Christian minister who might be interested in holding a formal service there.

Oh, and for the record I do not appreciate the condecending comment. It was uncalled for and unnecessary.

To make sure I am clear, I do not believe that anyone other than a Unitarian Minister should hold Unitarian services. It is very dangerous to create a new religion if that is a goal. What if this is the only outlet someone has and is actually worshiping in your church. Are you prepared to hold that person's salvation in your hands? It is a huge responsibility.

I would be a little more careful here Billy. The Unitarian Universalist (organization, religion, what have you) is very much a RL thing. That many have made work for their lives. You are bordering if not flat on insulting to claim that the people who believe in the Unitarian Universalist view have no convictions about their beliefs. While I'm sure others could give you some really great links, here is one that could get you started in understanding that this is not just some "made up" thing.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=unitarian+church

I imagine one might let Buddhists or Muslims worry about that. Or do we need to run around and build churches and temples all day for people to move into?

I don't see why this is such a big deal, quite frankly. If you want a City devoted to religion --build one. Neualtenburg is primarily secular. Unitarianism is not the official religion of Neualtenburg --there is no official religion.

I still contend that one should not pretend to be a real Unitarian church unless you actually have a Unitarian minister to oversee it.


Said like a lifelong atheist! (joke)


Yes, this is acceptable to me… ty. I was discussing it here because that is what I thought we were supposed to do on this thread.

My apologies... You are absolutely right. My intent was to speak about whether someone of another faith could worship in that manner. I know that in Christianity it would not be acceptable and I am sure others as well.

TY so much for pointing that out Pen... My sincerest apology to anyone I might have unintentionally offended.

This brings up another one of my points too. Has anyone checked with the Unitarian church to see if services in their name is even acceptable? It may in fact not be acceptable and horribly offensive to do it in their name without their approval or without an ordained Unitarian minister.

It is a big deal because I was very interested in attending a Christian service in the church and the response was no. I believe that all churches in this city should be open to any sect that wishes to hold a service in it. This is inclusive to everyone and still gives everyone the right to worship in line with their respective religion.

Billy I couldn't have been more clear...I see the church as being open to ALL faiths...have a service....pray as a jew, christian, muslim, and or satanist.....

Thats fine. I'll probably build several builds and I can send them to you for critique...

For the record? Saint Martin's Parish Church is exactly that.
Hope to see ya at the Black Mass!

Just Saint Martin's Parish church or all of the churches in Neualtinburg?

I am re-posting this because I edited it and asked what I think is a very important question in the last paragraph. There were several other posts after my edit and I thought you might not have noticed the question. I am very interested in hearing if this has even been considered.


My apologies... You are absolutely right. My intent was to speak about whether someone of another faith could worship in that manner. I know that in Christianity it would not be acceptable and I am sure others as well.

TY so much for pointing that out Pen... My sincerest apology to anyone I might have unintentionally offended.

This brings up another one of my points too. Has anyone checked with the Unitarian church to see if services in their name is even acceptable? It may in fact not be acceptable and horribly offensive to do it in their name without their approval or without an ordained Unitarian minister.

Just to chime in my opinion. I am personally open to any religious services being held in the city. I like the idea of the Unitarian church because I believe it leaves open the opportunity for more diversity than some of the other "religions" that will be holding services.

I am more lienient to any religious service being held than I am RL political events being hosted. hehe.. Mainly because I have always seperated church and state in my mind and thus to me they (religious events/services) should not be a conflict at all to the project.

Hmm. So in summary, I'm fine with any religious services, events, etc. in the city.

Very welcome Billy. I personally figured your intent was not to offend, I just wanted to point out that it might be so to some. Not by your fault, just your not understanding (which is also perfectly understandable).

As to your last paragraph here, I think Gwyneth did a pretty good job of addressing this concern within her first post and a few thereafter. You may want to go back and re-read her intentions as I think you will find it will ease your concerns some.